#indieweb 2018-01-03

2018-01-03 UTC
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@lunamoth @heejongahn 아 예 그러셨군요. 그건 별도 서비스는 잘 못본것 같긴하네요. 인디웹 https://indieweb.org/ 중에서 POSSE - Publish (on your) Own Site,… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948372474713989120 (twitter.com/_/status/948372474713989120)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The IndieWeb movement feels magical when micro.blog comments flow through as regular comments on my blog, like on this post: http://www.endonend.org/2018/01/02/homescreen-january-2018/" by Jason on 2018-01-03 http://www.endonend.org/2018/01/02/4217/
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@ballpointcarrot #devdiscuss 2018 goals: - Blog update: both additional posts and implementating some more #indieweb capabilities. -… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948385066983481345 (twitter.com/_/status/948385066983481345)
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@endonend The IndieWeb movement feels magical when http://micro.blog comments flow through as regular comments on my bl… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948398308883607552 (twitter.com/_/status/948398308883607552)
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tantek and the answer is not only did it work, (setting up an iPod 6 with iOS 11 from a backup from an iPod 5 touch with iOS 9) but it specifically did *not* reinstall all the apps from backup (or the apps were not part of the backup, possibly?)
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tantek so now I'm reinstalling only apps I use every day a few at a time
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tantek to minimize new apps for the new year
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tantek or apps at all that is
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tantek after I installed Gmail, the wifi got flakey. like once flipped off, could not turn back on (for anyone that remebers, I was having this problem with iOS9 back in mid-2015!)
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tantek so I deleted Gmail (iOS App), restarted the iPod touch and wifi worked again
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jjuran wut
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tantek this makes me very suspicious with what Gmail / Google apps are doing in the background
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jjuran tantek: What’s the difference between the restore that worked offline and the one that didn’t?
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tantek didn't say anything about the offline aspec
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jjuran hide your wifi, hide your keys
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tantek I just wanted to restore from backup without anything weird from the network whether accessing or whatever *during* the restore
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tantek and it looks like that part did work
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jjuran The first time, you said “all kinds of errors. interesting”. The second time, “the answer is not only did it work…”
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tomasparks hide your daughter iOS is coming to rape you :)
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tantek jjuran - three attempts
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tantek one offline with iTunes 12.3 - didn't work, iTunes failed to check app store (I saved the alert)
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tantek two online with iTunes 12.3 - didn't work, iTunes was unable to verify the iPod Touch (whatever that means)
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tantek then I upgraded iTunes to 12.7
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tantek three online with iTunes 12.7 - did work to start restoration, as soon as restoration started, switched off laptop wifi again, and restore completed just fine
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tomasparks tantek: ipod touch drm?
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tantek tomasparks, not sure of the analogy/point your making but that's pretty tasteless statement
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jjuran So there’s no evidence so far that the process can be conducted entirely offline.
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tantek you're*
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tantek jjuran on the contrary - looks like with new iPod touches, they CANNOT be setup entirely offline
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jjuran My understanding is that this is true of Macs as well.
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tantek iTunes looks like it does something to "validate" or "verify" the iPod touch with apple (maybe serial number check or something?)
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tantek whatever it is, it is still less "drm" than all the nonsense that actual cell phones do with cell towers / carriers
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tantek so it's a relatively better situation from a "portable communicator" perspective
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jjuran Still, I’m done. I won’t be buying any new Apple devices.
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tomasparks tantek: hide your wifi, hide your keys made me think of BED INTRUDER meme
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tantek I don't think I've heard of that meme and now I don't really want to look it up either. I've certainly seen other tasteless memes (nevermind their political weaponization in the past 18 months or so)
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jjuran tomasparks: Yes, it was a reference to that song which one either gets or doesn’t. But if you don’t already have the context, it doesn’t introduce anything disturbing.
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tantek in other app news, TIL, Firefox Focus has the *best* (least buggy) text selection and copy/paste UI
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tantek (on iOS it is better than Mobile Safari, Chrome etc.)
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tantek (both of which seem to use webkit default UI which overselects things)
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jjuran Heh. Colloquy also overselects things, and it uses WebKit.
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tantek it's amazing how much snappier the same hardware is with so many fewer apps installed
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tantek or there's something really wrong with iOS where installing / using many different apps causes *everything* to slow down
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tantek perhaps because (nearly) all apps are trying to run something in the background now?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hello 2018. This changing of the year feels very different than last. Yesterday (+today) felt more like just another day to make the most of. Regardless I am doing an #IndieWeb #100Days of Positive Posts again, but refocusing on doing: #100PDTP 100 Days Positive Doing then Posting. As an optimist I believe every day we have opportunities to choose to make things better (or not), even if in seemingly small ways, every day. The 2018 plan for #100DoPP: * Every day: *do* something positive in-person (not just online). E.g. * Something for the first time * Or the first time this year * Or build on something * Or complete something * Post about it on your own site, - or make a note of it and post it later. * *Before* posting anything negative or critical that same day From my experience last year, there were several times when for one reason or another I went days without posting, then had to "catch up". Instead of catch-up, I’m making the posting part strictly secondary, and ok even if published days after the action. I expect to spend more time offline and perhaps even offgrid this year. I’ll be taking paper notes which I can then post about later. Last year’s #100DoPP: http://tantek.com/2017/020/t3/indieweb-100days-positive-posts-100dopp" on 2018-01-03 http://tantek.com/2018/002/t1/hello
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tantek wat
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tantek superfeedr polling!
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tantek grabbed my draft
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tantek why does superfeedr poll when I have websub support? that doesn't make any sense (and is undesirable)
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KartikPrabhu how did it find your draft if it isn't published?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I didn't send a websub notification
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tantek it was staged on my site sure
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tantek to me, send a websub notification = actual notification that it is published
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I thought for drafts you "futured" your posts but they don't show up on any feed pages or even Atom/RSS feeds so I am wondering how superfeedr found it
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tantek yes I do that too
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KartikPrabhu so I am confused now :P
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tantek it's ok
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tantek searches for an unused 7 char hashtag and finds one!
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Zegnat “why does superfeedr poll when I have websub support?” - I am going to guess because they often see feeds with PuSH links that are down or never get pinged, as often happens when you rely on invisible plumbing. So they never turn off polling.
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tantek that's pretty annoying, there should be a way to block that with robots or something
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KartikPrabhu is superfeedr polling all possible URLs on your site? if not how did it find a URL that is not linked from anywhere!?
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tantek from home page likely
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KartikPrabhu ahh so it does show up on your homepage
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tantek whatever superfeedr repeats itself anyway
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tantek with posts that are years old from benwerd
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Zegnat Did we document screenshots of notifications from silos about acting on reports somewhere?
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Zegnat E.g. whether they let you know if they removed an account after you reported a spammer?
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Zegnat leaves a review on the report review he received and wonders if those get replied to
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tantek what is report account
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "report account" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "report account is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is report abuse
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Loqi Report abuse (AKA report inappropriate) is a feature in many (most?) silos for notifying the silo owners that a specific user, post, or comment is abusive https://indieweb.org/report_abuse
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tantek report account is /report_abuse
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Nice, I’ll add my Android screenshots for Facebook!
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Zegnat Apparently everyone has a “Support Inbox”, though I can’t find any way to access it from the app UI :/
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Zegnat Ah, it has a link! https://www.facebook.com/support/
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@adrianshort @smarimc The Indieweb still has a lot of mileage in it: https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/948482018026848257)
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Zegnat Sad I didn’t make any screenshots *during* reporting
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Zegnat This was also a good example of me not liking silo guidelines for accounts that are/aren’t allowed :(
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@growdigital Just discovered https://indiewebify.me/ Busy indiewebifying myself right now… @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/948504652001218560)
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@mrkrndvs #IndieWeb Page – User:http://Readwriterespond.com https://collect.readwriterespond.com/indieweb-page-userreadwriterespond-com/ (twitter.com/_/status/948513216203776000)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#IndieWeb Page - User:Readwriterespond.com" on 2018-01-03 https://mrkrndvs.tumblr.com/post/169262181177
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Loqi [superfeedr] "2018: Some Hope" on 2018-01-03 http://inessential.com/2018/01/03/2018_some_hope
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@alab_AMS Want to learn how to create your own website from scratch? Join our 1st Indieweb Homebrew Website Club Meetup 11/1:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948577694580662272 (twitter.com/_/status/948577694580662272)
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[miklb] good morning IndieWebbers
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snarfed hey [miklb]
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[miklb] howdy snarfed
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snarfed looks like you fixed your wm 500s
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[miklb] I believe so. I switched to using fastcgi static caching and was having some issues with permissions and what not. So far seems like it’s been resolved. <fingers crossed>
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[miklb] I need to put my thoughts into a blog post, but it’s really exciting to see people join micro.blog and experience what this little corner of the web has been building.
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[miklb] snarfed apologies for clogging the error logs.
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snarfed [miklb]: np! lol it'd take a lot more than that for me to notice, 4k users and all
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snarfed retries++
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Loqi retries has 1 karma
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snarfed retrying++
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Loqi retrying has 1 karma
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aaronpk heh Zegnat doesn't have @Zegnat on Twitter, making me add another h-card to my address book :)
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Zegnat That’s because I am only Zegnat on Freenode and GitHub ;)
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Zegnat I do have martijnvdven on GitHub too, just never started using it
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb 🙂
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[miklb] O_/
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@misuba @pfrazee Webmention is an emerging standard (it's one of a few things the SoLiD and IndieWeb teams agree on); I won… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948607948909088768 (twitter.com/_/status/948607948909088768)
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Zegnat aaronpk, I love how your address book sends webmentions ;)
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aaronpk hah true
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aaronpk they're just regular posts in my site
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aaronpk they should be able to receive webmentions too!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reimt sich zwar nicht, aber: A comment a day keeps the blogging alive. Auch, wenn Du die Kommentare abstellen solltest, dann könntest Du ja weiterhin" by drikkes on 2018-01-03 http://drikk.es/2018/reimt-sich-zwar-nicht-aber-a-comment-a-day-keeps
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@aaronpk @pfrazee @misuba @pfrazee That sounds similar to Vouch, a Webmention extension https://indieweb.org/Vouch Would love your thoughts on that. (twitter.com/_/status/948611731659436032)
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[kevinmarks] http://inessential.com/2018/01/03/2018_some_hope
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@philnelson #indieweb https://twitter.com/fraying/status/948634367311544320 (twitter.com/_/status/948634422558932994)
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@samim @fredwilson @Twitter it's early days, but check https://indieweb.org/ and all the action unfolding related to act… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948634046678134784 (twitter.com/_/status/948634046678134784)
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@growdigital I’d like 10 people to follow my #IndieWeb inspired @Metalsmithio blog template @GroundworkRocks on Google+ so that… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948650297357930496 (twitter.com/_/status/948650297357930496)
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snarfed huh. a podcast CDN just bought my web host. 🤔 https://blog.pair.com/2018/01/03/podcast-host-liberated-syndication-acquires-pair-networks/
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Loqi Podcast Host Liberated Syndication Acquires pair Networks
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[cleverdevil] That's an interesting acquisition.
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[kevinmarks] TWiG coming up
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schmarty kevinmarks: could be worth mentioning IWC Baltimore!
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[kevinmarks] https://octodon.social/@tcql/99286973578989328
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Loqi [catdad 💖] ActivityPub InactivityPub MicroPub MacroPub PubSubHubBub PubDomHubBub
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aaronpk they would laugh at the actual list of names we considered before settling on WebSub
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reimt sich zwar nicht, aber: A comment a day keeps the blogging alive. Auch, wenn Du die Kommentare abstellen solltest, dann könntest Du ja weiterhin" by drikkes on 2018-01-03 http://www.drikk.es/2018/reimt-sich-zwar-nicht-aber-a-comment-a-day-keeps
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aaronpk anyone with a mastodon account want to reply with this link? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/push-name#Brainstorming
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aaronpk (I still havent' set up bridgy fed)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: https://octodon.social/@tcql/99287200582755318
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Loqi [catdad 💖] people correcting me saying "No, PubSubHubBub is called WebSub now" listen it's joke i don't care about your "facts"
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aaronpk I know, I thought it would be fun to share our other crazy ideas :)
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aaronpk which got even weirder than that thread
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[tantek] Silo quit: https://twitter.com/jessicahische/status/948422054335864833
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@jessicahische Deleting Twitter. Gone until @realDonaldTrump no longer uses this platform to threaten nuclear war, undermine democracy, and delegitimize the free press. Feel free to retweet / join me. @jack (twitter.com/_/status/948422054335864833)
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[cleverdevil] pokes aaronpk
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aaronpk waves
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[cleverdevil] Still hoping to get that sweet, sweet Monacle access when you have a chance 🙂
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aaronpk yes let me set that up right now :)
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[cleverdevil] Cool, thanks! Also feel free to ignore me if you are busy!
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aaronpk gotta remember the steps to add new people :)
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gRegorLove Aw, man, we could have had "WHAT-SUP"? :)
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: try signing in now!
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aaronpk grantcodes: I think I fixed the errors you were seeing too
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[cleverdevil] OK, where do I sign in?
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aaronpk https://monocle.p3k.io/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Monocle is Offline
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk I forgot I hid that blog post on the page
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[cleverdevil] Woo! It works.
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[cleverdevil] Its definitely coming along 😄
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[cleverdevil] Many kudos to grantcodes.
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[cleverdevil] Items in my feeds aren't yet properly recognized and grouped, and I'm seeing some wonky stuff in the view, but overall its a really solid start 🙂
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aaronpk grouped?
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[cleverdevil] I suppose the "kind" of post isn't always right
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aaronpk interesting
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[cleverdevil] I am guessing my feeds need work.
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aaronpk well if you can track down whether it's a bug in Together vs a bug in parsing the source content, feel free to file bugs on Monocle
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[cleverdevil] Will do.
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[cleverdevil] One thing I'll note, I wanted to follow my Micro.blog timeline in Together, and tried adding the source feed both in Together and in Monacle to no avail: https://micro.blog/feeds/cleverdevil.xml
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[kevinmarks] any more links
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aaronpk hm i'll check out that feed
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aaronpk there seem to be quite a bit of variation in RSS feeds
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aaronpk hm XRay seems to do fine with it, so might be a problem with Monocle detecting it https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmicro.blog%2Ffeeds%2Fcleverdevil.xml
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[cleverdevil] Monacle also interpreted my RSS feed as a JSON Feed.
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aaronpk that's...odd
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[cleverdevil] Let me see if I am doing something dumb.
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grantcodes Cool. Good to have more people testing everything!
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, Monacle is definitely interpreting this -> https://cleverdevil.io/content/all?_t=rss
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[cleverdevil] As JSON Feed.
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[cleverdevil] No idea why 🙂
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-01-03-15-18-19-MJfTsBnnfX.jpg
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[cleverdevil] Yes, but actually click "follow"
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk huh but it does find entries
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grantcodes I think with the next update of together I'll move to using it as my primary reader. It's actually kinda functional! Then hopefully I'll have more impetus to improve it
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[cleverdevil] Its getting there, for sure!
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[cleverdevil] I can't wait to have it be my reader of choice 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Native support for Micro.blog would be cool, too.
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tantek grantcodes++ for selfdogfood motivation!
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Loqi grantcodes has 1 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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grantcodes Yeah some of the forms don't work with the enter button 😅
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[cleverdevil] So, one oddity, channels show up twice for me.
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grantcodes In together or monocle?
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[cleverdevil] Together.
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[cleverdevil] Not in Monacle.
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grantcodes Hmm weird I don't get that.
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/twitter-netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz-for-jeffjarvis
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] twitter Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz for @jeffjarvis http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/2dec75efee0a97d39aa902f28613281e/thumb.png
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[cleverdevil] I am in Safari, maybe its an issue there?
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grantcodes Potentially. Not been doing any browser testing yet
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[kevinmarks] I also plugged micro.blog
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[cleverdevil] Also, it seems to not be able to render any of my posts with Emoji in them from my feed 🙂
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grantcodes Yeah think that is the react default stuff of not rendering HTML entities.
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grantcodes File all the issues
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4sEiLwjj.jpg
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[kevinmarks] right at the end
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[manton] kevinmarks Thanks!
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[kevinmarks] Leo said "I went there and it already had my posts"
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[kevinmarks] 😄
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[manton] Heh. Yeah, he signed up a while back and put his RSS feed in, but then wasn't active... So his blog posts are still there.
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[manton] Seeing a lot of people taking a break from Twitter this week and dusting off their blogs or starting new ones. Hope it continues.
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[kevinmarks] I liked Brent's post
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[manton] Me too. I think he captured a few things that are going on really well.
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[kevinmarks] if only he had webmentions we could invite him here 😉