#indieweb 2018-01-04

2018-01-04 UTC
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[eddie]
!tell aaronpk: Most of the weirdness in posts I’ve seen is in Together as opposed to Monocle. I’ve been querying my monocle API using Postman so I can see the actual values being stored in there. So far most everything I’m getting back is getting stored correctly. I haven’t had a chance to spend enough time with Together to file issues yet though
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
hey is anyone else considering a 100days project this year?
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tantek
what is 100days
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Loqi
100DaysOfIndieWeb is a challenge to ship something IndieWeb-related every day for 100 days https://indieweb.org/100days
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GWG
tantek: Considering, maybe.
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GWG
Executing, likely not
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tantek
what is about date
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "about date" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "about date is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is date about
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tantek
^^ trailing preposition I guess
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aaronpk
i'm considering a 52 weeks challenge instead
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tantek
what is a throwback
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Loqi
A throwback is a current post of content from some time ago, typically at least days, often years https://indieweb.org/throwback
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aaronpk
turns out doing something daily is really hard
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tantek
unless it's already a habit
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tantek
the hard part is turning something new into a habit
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tantek
thinking about date-tagging posts that are "about" something in the past
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tantek
does anyone do that?
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aaronpk
I guess my event posts are kind of like that, but for the future, since I publish them in advance of the date of the event
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tantek
they already have clear indication of that info though in dt-start
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aaronpk
with some good design, I could see date-tagging in the past being useful for the times that I post stuff days/weeks later but want to indicate the actual date of the thing
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aaronpk
I posted two photos today for example that I would like to better indicate were taken yesterday, even though I made the posts and text description today
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@Carols10cents
┏┓ ┃┃╱╲ in ┃╱╱╲╲ this ╱╱╭╮╲╲house ▔▏┗┛▕▔ we ╱▔▔▔▔▔▔▔▔▔▔╲ use ISO 8601 ╱╱┏┳┓╭╮┏┳┓ ╲╲ ▔▏┗┻┛┃┃┗┻┛▕▔ Happy 2018-01-01!
(twitter.com/_/status/948005624910155777)
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tantek
Y U NO LINEBREAK LOQI?
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aaronpk
breaks the logs
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tantek
wow the Twitter results for hashtag/2018_001 are so random and hilarious I'm going to use that to start with (for date-tagging - ISO Ordinal style)
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tantek
is now curious how badly the logs would break
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "TWiG 438: Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz" by TWiT on 2018-01-04 https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-google/episodes/438
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gRegorLove
Not entirely sure what you mean by date-tagging, tantek. I post h-events for concerts I've been to in the past. In addition to dt-start they have dt-published, so often the dt-published is way after the actual event.
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tantek
gRegorLove: I started using hashdates for date-tagging e.g. # 2018_001
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gRegorLove
Oh, like in a note?
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gRegorLove
I follow now
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tantek
when in doubt experiment and find out
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gRegorLove
Twitter doesn't link them, that's unfortunate
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tantek
but now I have a pattern I can potentially auto-link in the future
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tantek
perhaps as part of an onthisday impl
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@joshuajuran
Avoiding writing the wrong year on a check in January is one of the benefits of using ISO format (writing the year first, while you're still paying attention). It's also one of the benefits of not writing checks.
(twitter.com/_/status/947698155889528833)
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tantek
xkcd iso8601
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tantek
!xkcd iso8601
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aaronpk
why is that search so bad
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DanC
I just updated the style for dataframes when I use ipython for blogging. http://www.madmode.com/search/label/ipython/
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DanC
integratin ipython (jupyter) notebooks into my blog brings the "how do I copy the structure without the style?" problem.
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DanC
jupyter supports export to markdown, so I'm using that lately. But it loses the class="input_area" markup that differentiates notebook input from output
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DanC
anybody else aboot? How do you write blog articles?
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tantek
in a text editor :)
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tantek
but I have so many questions
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DanC
do you write HTML?
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tantek
what is ipython
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ipython" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ipython is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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DanC
I'm pretty happy writing html in emacs with jjc's nxml-mode
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tantek
what is jupyter
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "jupyter" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "jupyter is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is emacs
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "emacs" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "emacs is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
3 in a row! tic tac toe!
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DanC
ipython is a command shell for interactive computing in multiple programming languages, originally developed for the Python programming language, that offers introspection, rich media, shell syntax, tab completion, and history.
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DanC
jupyter is the evolution of ipython to include Julia, R, etc.
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DanC
emacs is the extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor
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DanC
do you publish exactly what you type into the text editor, tantek? Or do you have templates and styles and stuff?
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DanC
catches up on http://tantek.com/
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Loqi
Tantek Çelik
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tantek
I have some minimal templating, and the styling is nearly all external too (in common CSS). I have the ability to add a /custom_post_style though
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tantek
the markup of my articles is nearly identically published from storage. my notes are auto-linked and auto-embedded. more details at indieweb.org/Falcon
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DanC
ah. right. Falcon.
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tantek
it's gotten a bunch of improvements since you were last around, but nearly all on the viewing side. though one big authoring feature I added last year was /event support along with displaying RSVPs from webmentions
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DanC
#100Days of Positive Posts ... sorta reminds me of a policy I'm aiming for regarding political tweets: only tweet about stuff that I have actually phoned my representative about. Basically reduces that channel to 0 ;-)
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tantek
oh that's a good one. call rep first then tweet about it.
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DanC
"It’s one thing to wake up in daylight, another to get up in darkness." I walked the dog in 23 degree weather before sun-up today. :)
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tantek
ouch yes the cold makes it extra hard
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[xavierroy]
Has anyone got Teacup working with Wordpress?
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[chrisaldrich]
xavierroy GWG and I were chatting about it earlier today. I've used it and it "works", but doesn't always give the output one would want with WordPress. It doesn't work well with Post Kinds plugin (yet).
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[xavierroy]
Oh. I was hoping to use it to track my food/drink consumption (as private posts)
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[chrisaldrich]
You could use it with private posts and then massage data later when the import/display improves later. I've done this with other post types in the past.
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[xavierroy]
chrisaldrich anything I can use as a template?
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[chrisaldrich]
And there's nothing keeping you from adding display functionality in the post kinds plugin and pushing it back upstream. I suspect others would massage the micropub data import, which is something I was beginning to outline earlier today.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've done a few quick public tests which look more like notes and without any real markup: http://www.boffosocko.com/kind/drink/
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[chrisaldrich]
I was just now looking at emojis for drinking as you sent your message. 🙂
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DanC
what is Teacup?
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Loqi
Teacup is a Micropub client for posting various types of food posts to any server supporting Micropub https://indieweb.org/Teacup
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[xavierroy]
I'll take a look and see what I can pilfer 🙂
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[chrisaldrich]
In fact here's the list of all the drink related emoji I could find: 🥛 Milk 🍼Baby Bottle ☕Hot Beverage 🍵Teacup without Handle 🥤 Cup with Straw 🍶 Sake🍺 Beer Mug 🍻 Clinking Beer Mugs 🥂 Clinking glasses🍷 Wine Glass 🥃 Tumblr Glass 🍸Cocktail Glass 🍹 Tropical Drink 🍾 Bottle with Popping Cork
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[xavierroy]
Adding emojis to the post title adds them to the slug and i've seen that bridgy doesn't pull up backfeed comments if emoji's are in the url
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DanC
aw... y'all threw a party in Austin on my brithday and I didn't get the invitation 'till now! https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin
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[chrisaldrich]
I typically wash emojis out of URLs for just that reason
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tantek
DanC oh no!
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[chrisaldrich]
DanC, belated happy birthday. Most of it was archived on the youtube channel and you can find links within the schedule page.
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[xavierroy]
I also do that, but syndicating them out is one more step
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm not sure I'd want to syndicate drink posts anywhere, though untappd is an option...
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DanC
on the flip side, I was busy with good stuff that day. My youngest was in the pit orchestra for a musical version of "A Wonderful Life". playing reeds
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[chrisaldrich]
I know that Khurt Williams did some work recently with untappd as he uses it frequently.
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DanC
does anybody actually find time to watch recordings of conferences / events?
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[xavierroy]
not always but the rare time you want to tell the world that you're having a wonderful meal 🙂
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Loqi
[Khürt Williams] Experiment with Untappd and WordPress
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[chrisaldrich]
For those times I'm having the fancier meal, I do it as a photo post and then just add some metadata about the drink after the fact.
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[chrisaldrich]
About an hour ago, I did my first drink post with a photo for entertainment. I'll make it public if you want to take a peek at the "sketch" in that stream I linked above.
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@stringy
Seeing a few peeps wanting to spend less time on FB and Twitter - maybe check out some of the stuff @indiewebcamp i… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948787887247523840
(twitter.com/_/status/948787887247523840)
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[chrisaldrich]
I think I got bit by the bug the other day when I saw aaronpk's annual post with some of his quantified self data.
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DanC
I don't see "like" under https://indieweb.org/Facebook#Features ; I saw discussion of why folks don't blog and one reason was "you can't tell if anybody read it" which resonated a little with me. Is webmentions the indieweb analog? Has anybody got the UI down to one click?
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[chrisaldrich]
Teacup doesn't send a huge amount of data to wordpress from what I can tell, so if you want to do a fancier post, then you may want to use another method to post.
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DanC
ah. there it is... https://indieweb.org/like
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[xavierroy]
My workflow is do a post on Teacup which defaults to a Jan 1, 1970 date, then view-source of my post and copy paste to WP
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[chrisaldrich]
DanC, I find that some of the brainstorming sessions are very useful to rewatch at later dates when particular itches strike me.
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DanC
ok, I can see that... as a memory aid if you were there
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[chrisaldrich]
xavierroy It defaults to jan 1970 on Teacup or on WordPress? If it's in WordPress, then I'd hope the update to the Micropub plugin that just came across will remedy that. (iirc it should have a timestamp fix for some timezone issue it was having.)
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DanC
ooh... spif... "Here's the bookmarklet/plugin and Android setup he uses to indie like (and reply, retweet, etc) with minimal friction on both web and mobile." -- https://indieweb.org/like#Ryan_Barrett
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DanC
(btw... getting that URL was a pain. No pilcrows?)
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tantek
It's in the ToC
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DanC
I looked for a ToC and didn't see one...
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[chrisaldrich]
What is Posting from Mobile?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Posting from Mobile" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Posting from Mobile is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich]
What is posting from mobile devices?
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tantek
chrisaldrich there's definitely something about that on the wiki
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tantek
what is mobile
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Loqi
mobile, in the context of the indieweb could refer to mobile apps, mobile use-cases, or being mobile friendly https://indieweb.org/mobile
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tantek
^^^ start there
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[chrisaldrich]
DanC ^^ that has some details about bookmarklets and posting methods that adds to Ryan's notes
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DanC
cool
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[chrisaldrich]
xavierroy That timestamp on Teacup is odd as they all appear to show up properly on https://teacup.p3k.io/xavierroy.com
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[chrisaldrich]
Perhaps worth filing an issue if it's not: https://github.com/aaronpk/Teacup/issues
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[xavierroy]
Newer posts doesn't show up on https://teacup.p3k.io/xavierroy.com . I'll file an issue
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[chrisaldrich]
In going to make a post it also looks like it gives you the opportunity to change the date & time, so perhaps the browser/client you're making the post in isn't pulling in the current date/time for the post to make it show up properly.
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[chrisaldrich]
If this is the case, let him know which browser you're using as that may be the issue.
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm not sure if aaronpk supports it in Teacup, but I think the micropub plugin for WordPress now supports post status (draft, private, publish (aka public)) in the lastest iteration.
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DanC
finishes revision of "Smart Contracts and Capabilities Up Close" http://www.madmode.com/2017/rchain-dev-retreat.html and calls it a night
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[xavierroy]
aaronpk Filed an issue https://github.com/aaronpk/Teacup/issues/9 . Is there a way to reset tokens from the server side?
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Loqi
[xavierroy] #9 Incorrect dates and new posts not displayed
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb!
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[kiai]
Hi, All. I wrote an article about how to use Github.com and would love feedback: https://www.kiaikim.com/2018/githubcom-for-command-line-users
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Loqi
[Kiai Kim] Github.com for Command Line Users
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Zegnat
Interesting read. Just not sure what I have gained from reading it. I have never tried looked at GitHub’s web interface as something that emulates git cli.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Reflecting on the Voices in the Village 2017" by Aaron Davis on 2018-01-04 https://readwriterespond.com/2018/01/reflecting-voices-village-2017/
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aaronpk
good morning
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aaronpk
looks like I have some teacup stuff to catch up on :)
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GWG
aaronpk: I vote for docs
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Loqi
good morning!
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Zegnat
I vote for updating Teacup IndieAuth so it can post to Sink ;)
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Zegnat
aaronpk have you ever thought of selling stock in yourself? Like Mike did? Everyone wants a vote on how you spend your time!
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aaronpk
oh does that need updates right now?
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aaronpk
lol that'd be interesting
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Zegnat
Teacup still requires the me param, I think. I probably filed an issue.
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aaronpk
oh probably. I haven't touched that code in a long time
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aaronpk
so long in fact that I am not even "watching" teh repo on github so I didn't get any notifications about the issue!
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Zegnat
Hahaha
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Loqi
awesome
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Zegnat
Are you no longer using it yourself?
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aaronpk
I am! it's just quite stable
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aaronpk
I use it literally every day :)
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GWG
aaronpk: We have faith in you.
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GWG
aaronpk: I have an issue requested of me to make Teacup play nicely with WordPress.
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aaronpk
the easy version is to accept the "summary" property as a fallback, since Teacup sends that
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GWG
aaronpk: That's the other reason I want docs. I want to make sure I know what could be sent.
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aaronpk
two weeks til IWC Baltimore o.O
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schmarty
15 days!
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[eddie]
woooo!!!
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[kevinmarks]
@danc Christopher just saves the workbooks as HTML and links to them: http://kitmarks.com/machine_learning_projects.html
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Loqi
ok, I added "Indieweb example http://kitmarks.com/machine_learning_projects.html" to the "See Also" section of /jupyter
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schmarty
[eddie]: i forget whether you typically hang out in -meta, but i've created a page for coordinating IWC Baltimore demos among folks w/ established sites. please take a look and add yrself!
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aaronpk
i'm working on a 2017 in review post, and realizing how nice it is to have written short blog posts every time I shipped something
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[eddie]
Hey, I do. But not as often as the other channels 🙂 I'll take a look!
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GWG
aaronpk: I look forward to reading it
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[eddie]
aaronpk: That's awesome! I was thinking about the same thing, especially as 2017 was my first year in the IndieWeb. I started my blog in January 2017 and started implementing IndieWeb in February 2017. So now January is kind of my IndieWeb-versary
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dgold
same, eddie, jan 25 for me
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dgold
long strange trip
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skippy
I'm struggling to understand how micro.blog is not a silo. What am I missing?
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aaronpk
what is a silo?
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Loqi
A silo, or web content hosting silo, in the context of the IndieWeb, is a centralized web site typically owned by a for-profit corporation that stakes some claim to content contributed to it and restricts access in some way (has walls) https://indieweb.org/silo
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aaronpk
1) micro.blog lets you point your domain to it, treating it as just another web host, which is the first major step at not being a silo
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aaronpk
2) alternatively, you can configure your micro.blog account to pull your content from your non-micro.blog website, treating it as a copy, like I have set up
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skippy
hrm. thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk
it's definitely more than just a web host, and kind of confusing sometimes because of the different ways you can use it
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aaronpk
which is a problem I am very familiar with ;-)
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aaronpk
I just realized when I publish this year in review post, I'm going to send over 100 webmentions to myself
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aaronpk
since i'm linking to all my #100daysofindieweb posts 😂
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tantek
what is year in review
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Loqi
Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some indieweb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year https://indieweb.org/Year_in_Review
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tantek
be sure to add to ^^^
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gRegorLove
Howdy #indieweb
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GWG
gRegorLove!
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aaronpk
now that my favorites show the full contents (including downloading a copy of the photo), this is a great way to archive other ppls' posts so that I have a persistent copy I can link to
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Zegnat
That feels like a copyright nightmare in the making, aaronpk 😅
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aaronpk
I will gladly respect any takedown notices I receive ;)
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aaronpk
think of it like a personal archive.org
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gRegorLove
Reminds me I should do that.
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aaronpk
sounds like that's for service providers tho, not necessarily content creators
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aaronpk
so, micro.blog should probably get on board with that since manton is actually hosting content other people write
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gRegorLove
Ooh, yeah
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[davidmead]
happy new year to all
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[davidmead]
i see aaronpk has created something new I have try when I get home 🙂
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[manton]
gregorlove Thanks for the link. That does sound like something I should know more about.
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gRegorLove
[manton], there's another on /DMCA. Techdirt has a lot more articles based on their experience
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[kiai]
@Zegnat When I wanted to add a simple line addition to Known's docs, I didn't want to clone the project, so I edited it on Github. Figured since so many projects use GitHub, the article might be handy.
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[kiai]
oops. redundancy
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Zegnat
That was a late reply, haha
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Loqi
rofl
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tantek
aaronpk++ that's an impressive year in review post! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/04/6/year-in-review-2017
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Loqi
aaronpk has 533 karma in this channel (1523 overall)
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] My 2017 Year in Review
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aaronpk
sending soooooo many webmentions
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aaronpk
that just caused my site to (attempt to) send 1100 webmentions
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aaronpk
for every post of my own that I linked to in that post, each of those posts was "updated" after the comment was displayed, so it re-sent webmentions for each post I linked to
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sknebel
so what you are saying, https://snarfed.org/2018-01-02_bridgy-stats-update-3 is missing your site as individual entry?
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schmarty
confirms a steady trickle of updated WMs
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tantek
wonders if this is enough of a burst to cross over the 1M webmentions sent threshold that snarfed was, uh, mentioning earlier
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aaronpk
well a lot of my attempted webmentions were to sites that don't support it, like foursquare and flickr URLs
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aaronpk
I should probably add a few more domains to my blacklist
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sknebel
quick, everyone respond to aaronpks year in review post and trigger all that again
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sknebel
hopes that was how Salmention works
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aaronpk
reconsiders POSSEing this to facebook and twitter
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aaronpk
every response that comes in would trigger sending them again. only the first level though
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aaronpk
since the posts that this one links to won't be updated again when this post is updated
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tantek
sknebel: yes I'm tempted to reply with "First!"
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aaronpk
aw, only 147 of those were successful
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aaronpk
oh weird, no, more of them were, but something is wrong with how it records successes
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aaronpk
724 of those I sent found a webmention endpoint
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@spf13
In light of recent events it's a good time to remind people that sites created with @GoHugoIO are not vulnerable to any in-memory access flaws like Spectre or Meltdown. Want a secure site without costly maintenance? Use https://gohugo.io
(twitter.com/_/status/948947685301784581)
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aaronpk
oh hey if I POSSE a note that links to my massive post, then I can avoid a bunch of salmentioning when responses to that note come in
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@_Red_Long
I’m a blind twitter user. There are a lot of us out there. Increase your ability to reach us and help us interact with your pictures, it’s really simple and makes a huge difference to our twitter experiance allowing us to see your images our way. Thanks for the description 😎 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSoF2g1WAAAPFTW.jpg
(twitter.com/_/status/948577112860086272)
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aaronpk
I've always wondered how to do that
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aaronpk
i've seen the alt text thing in the API for a while but never understood the UI for it
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tantek
kevinmarks - I need to invent a new xx;dr for that m.facebook link
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tantek
is that a "public" story on FB?
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tantek
er, post?
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tantek
oh no the link from your post is bad
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tantek
over-escaped ^
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tantek
&
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tantek
kevinmarks your known post links to a 404
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tantek
you need to fix the link which is overescaping &id=4 which shows up in the URL after you click it