#indieweb 2018-01-06

2018-01-06 UTC
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@grantpotter @draggin Meet to - already in the process of repatriating spaces into networkeffects.ca subdomains and rigging some #indieweb pieces there (twitter.com/_/status/949440769097572353)
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@grantpotter @draggin Me too - already repatriating things to networkeffects.ca subdomains and rigging more #indieweb bits there (twitter.com/_/status/949441066398199808)
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DanC re app-quits: I keep a facebook bookmark rather than the app on my phone; but a couple things have prompted me to install it for brief periods: (1) posting photos and (2) messenging. Both of these are motivated by the people I can reach that way, of course...
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DanC what does anybody here do to get photos from and android phone to facebook?
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tantek DanC, you can post photos to FB via Bridgy Publish
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tantek perhaps ask the folks using Androids!
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tantek what is Android?
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Loqi Android is an open source operating system for mobile devices (AOSP) combined with a set of proprietary cloud services provided by Google, which some use to post to their IndieWeb sites https://indieweb.org/Android
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tantek DanC https://indieweb.org/Android#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek what are app-quits
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Loqi app quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit using (and uninstalled/deleted) specific (often "native mobile") apps (typically silo owned or created) either with intended permanence, or temporarily https://indieweb.org/app-quits
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tantek interesting
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DanC when I share a photo via facebook, I don't typically want it public. If I want it public, I publish it and then link to it.
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tantek DanC, sign of a healthy community (much more than a mailing list, which as you know we don't have)
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tantek though we do have a weekly email newsletter!
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DanC "I share many of Tantek's concerns about the scalability of email" -- http://www.madmode.com/contact/
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tantek DanC do you know about https://indieweb.org/this-week ?
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DanC yes... been looking at it just now
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tantek provides a much nicer summary than RecentChanges
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DanC well, I don't think the ACM Hypertext conference series made the newsletter, and I was inspired to tweak that one a bit
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tantek wait what thought it did
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DanC oh; perhaps I shouldn't presume
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DanC I found it via RecentChanges
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tantek it's there: https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-01-05.html
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DanC oic... "Created by tantek on Friday with 8 more edits ..."
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tantek yes the new pages section is quite good
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DanC adds to phone bookmarks
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DanC on mobile, there's no news on the 1st screenful. It's full of "how to subscribe"
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tantek the wiki page?
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tantek that's the point of it, it's a place to help you subscribe to the newsletter
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DanC not the wiki page; this one: https://indieweb.org/this-week
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tantek bookmark the h-feed page if you want something to load for an index
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tantek yes that's the wiki page :)
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tantek this is the h-feed: https://indieweb.org/this-week/ (note trailing slash)
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DanC ah. right... oops...
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DanC hm... https://indieweb.org/this-week/ is somewhat... spartan. no news there either
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DanC but workable
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tantek DanC, yeah, it's spartan ... like a feed :)
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tantek wow reading all these posts in trying to make sense of 100days from last year is pretty intense
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tantek y'all are an amazing personal, thoughtful, and vulnerable bunch. great people
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DanC yeah... I often hesitate to wonder into these parts cuz there's no end of interesting, provocative stuff
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tantek hey DanC, speaking of interesting things, I figure you would know if anyone has prior art/attempts on this
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tantek hashtagging dates (as a way of tagging a post that it contains information about some date (other than its create/publish/update dates))
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tantek have you seen or heard of anything like that?
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tantek I've started experimenting with it, example: http://tantek.com/2018/003/t1/new-years-day-meditation-satsang
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] went to New Years Day Meditation & Satsang with Lauren Pisano @YogaFlowSF on Ocean Ave at #2018_001. My first #Satsang, and the longest I have sat (and meditated) outside of #YTT. There was comfort in doing so in a group, and with few words. #100PDPD
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tantek with hashdates like #2018_001
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tantek I couldn't find any prior art so I decided to experiment. If you know of any LMK!
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DanC I don't think I've seen prior art on that, but I had a pretty big blind-spot around tagging with anything that wasn't namespaced with URIs for quite some time.
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DanC can you do that calendar in your head? convert, say, Aug 16th of this ear to NNN?
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DanC year
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tantek not quickly. 2018-228
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tantek I need to figure out one of those clever math algorithms that simplifies the arithmetic and memorization necessary to convert both directions
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DanC have fun with leap years :)
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tantek not really a problem
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tantek general approach is binary search equivalent to math
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tantek (so far anyway)
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tantek e.g. months 1-6 = 181 days (182 for leap), then just need to add whole months to that, then # of days. 181+31+16 = 228
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tantek typical public education teaches kids to memorize how many days in each month
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tantek alternatively you can use quarter offsets 90 (91), 91, 92, 92
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DanC I like quarters and weeks. months are a pain
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tantek I prefer bims
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DanC er... bim?
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DanC this just in: "We’re removing manually entered contacts data." -- LinkedIn
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DanC good thing I never trusted them much and export / backup somewhat regularly
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DanC that's one of several features they removed that I found really key; like "show me my contacts near NYC". (that geo search is still _possible_, but you have to do magic like enter * into a search box or something)
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tantek wow what "manually entered contacts data" ? who did that?!?
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tantek DanC want to add any criticism to the article accordingly?
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tantek what is LinkedIn?
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Loqi LinkedIn is a special-purpose silo for hosting your professional resume, history, and contacts https://indieweb.org/LinkedIn
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DanC heh... that page is mostly my notes on how to get data out of there :)
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@dckc "We’re removing manually entered contacts data." -- LinkedIn. Gee, thanks. :-/ https://indieweb.org/LinkedIn#How_to_export_your_data (twitter.com/_/status/949483235737767936)
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DanC added a section to the LinkedIn article
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tantek DanC++ thank you!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hello, 2018!" on 2018-01-06 https://gregorlove.com/2018/01/hello-2018/
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@kingkool68 @feather Sounds like you would be into the Indie Web and POSSE (Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere) https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/949505335156465665)
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gRegorLove http://goodbye.domains/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Read posts nearly perfected!" by Neil Mather on 2018-01-06 https://doubleloop.net/2018/01/06/read-posts-nearly-perfected/
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@stringy @kingkool68 @feather I think so too. I’m in the middle of turning my current WP into a syndication base (currently it’s more PESOS https://indieweb.org/PESOS). (twitter.com/_/status/949558504154517504)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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@carlesbellver From Ghost to WordPress https://johnathan.org/2018/01/from-ghost-to-wordpress.html Complaints about WordPress and reasons to go back from Ghost: no extensibility, no 3rd party apps, no IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/949602718313828352)
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@edsu I’m thinking of starting a small indieweb meeting at UMD. https://indieweb.org/ There are lots of good reasons for students and faculty to want to cultivate their own place on the web. Maybe we could get together in the evening once a month to chat, experiment? (twitter.com/_/status/949635635194793985)
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[ehs] waves . o O (didn't know Slack was here too)
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Zegnat Hello [ehs] :)
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Zegnat Need to get Micropub going now. Have to issue a correction to someone else’s post. To the programming machine!
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@edsu Oh, there’s a Baltimore Homebrew Website Club @HWCBaltimore meeting next week: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/949643618817576960)
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@schmarty @edsu @HWCBaltimore We’d be glad to have you! We are also hosting the first weekend-long @IndieWebCamp Baltimore Jan 20-21! http://2018.indieweb.org/baltimore (twitter.com/_/status/949644711131795456)
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@edsu I worry that the HWC focus on the technologies that enable indieweb could drown out the people who want to chat about how they maintain their own website. But maybe it could work? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/949644889222012929)
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@martijnvdven @edsu That’s actually one of the reasons that the Virtual HWC hosted by me does not refer to IndieWeb tech specifically. It is “for site builders” and specifically welcoming people to “just talk”. https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/949646566142472193)
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@martijnvdven @edsu Link to the Virtual HWC specifically (apparently I missed the fragment in the URL): https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time (twitter.com/_/status/949646829951553537)
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Zegnat And that is where you need /edit on Twitter…
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leg Hi: happy new year: Is this IndieAuth rediscovered? https://pwdless.github.io/Cierge-Website/?ref=stackshare
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Zegnat Hmm, from reading that, it seems like your “account” will still be managed by whoever is running the Cierge instance? As you can go in and add/remove email addresses and things.
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Zegnat So you still end up separately configuring a profile at every place that uses Cierge. You can’t just add your GitHub on one and then login with GitHub everywhere, which is possible with IndieAuth backed by a RelMeAuth service.
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leg ahh: right.
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Zegnat It definitely builds on many of the same principles as http://indielogin.com/, no password and user-chosen login methods. So that’s great!
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Zegnat I definitely think passwordless login is the future.
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leg Well, ... I might redupe a statement: it's just *their* passwords
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aaronpk It doesn't seem to be based on the idea of users owning their identity. Looks like just a passwordless login system.
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@hugoestr @edsu I didn’t know about indieweb. Thanks for making me aware of it :) (twitter.com/_/status/949652781090197510)
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GWG I'm making progress on weather
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@hugoestr Mi lernas pri #indieweb nun. Mi devas legi pli pri ĝi #esperanto (twitter.com/_/status/949657403934609408)
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[xavierroy] dshanske site-wide weather or per-post ones?
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Zegnat (GWG ^^^)
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GWG [xavierroy] is on Slack, where I have a different username.
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GWG I had GWG on Freenode long before I joined the community here
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GWG [xavierroy]: Both.
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GWG I had to build a weather provider system that was service agnostic. I did the same thing for location providers. Basically, a class that translates everything into the same output
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GWG So, now I'm building the output for site-wide and after that, per post
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GWG Right now, I'm just fiddling with the display before I add more complexity.
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GWG Trying the 'standard' look.
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GWG Icon plus temperature
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[xavierroy] Sneak-peek?
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Zegnat Ah, I wasn’t sure you would be getting notified of the name dshanske in your IRC client, GWG :) Am used to the bridge translating the nicknames too.
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GWG Zegnat: It isn't. But my phone does.
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Zegnat Magic.
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GWG I actually should add dshanske as a keyword in my IRC bouncer so I would.
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Zegnat What is magic?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "magic" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "magic is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG [xavierroy]: https://tiny.n9n.us/ - I test everything here. If you look in the sidebar.
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GWG Magic is any technology that is sufficiently advanced as to seem like a supernatural event.
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Loqi ok
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GWG [xavierroy]: Feel free to comment on the design. I'm fiddling with that now.
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GWG I'm also pulling back some other properties, but I don't know if I'll use them in the first iteration.
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GWG Things like humidity, apparent temperature(vs actual), barometric pressure, wind speed/direction, etc.
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@keithjgrant Steps to get on the IndieWeb: 1. Get a blog and post to it 2. You’re on the IndieWeb! (https://keithjgrant.com/notes/2018/01/56400/) (twitter.com/_/status/949667179192078341)
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GWG I wonder what aaronpk stores.
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[xavierroy] For a site-wide weather, can't any weather plugin do that? Just my 2 cents
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GWG [xavierroy]: You are correct.
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GWG The real part is the per-post weather settings.
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[xavierroy] Yes. That's interesting
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GWG But the reason I'm adding site-wide is because it can change the site-wide weather settings based on current location
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GWG No weather plugin for WordPress does that yet
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[xavierroy] Yes. Got that
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[xavierroy] For per-post, I assume you'll be storing them as custom fields
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GWG Besides, as long as I'm going through the trouble of pulling weather data, I don't want to have two plugins, mine and someone elses polling the same data.
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GWG [xavierroy]: Yes. I'll be building that shortly. The sitewide one went first so I could have the presentation tweaked before I started adding it to posts.
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[xavierroy] Pulling data would be one-time for historical posts I guess and then an API call during publishing
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GWG [xavierroy]: I'm not worrying about historic posts right now.
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GWG You build the present and future first
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GWG But, this is a bit in the weeds, so I suppose I should move it to the WordPress room.
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aaronpk Not being completionist is the only reason I make progress on my site anymore. Being okay with launching a feature only for new posts even if my old posts don't get updated means I can actually ship more stuff.
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aaronpk So I launched weather for only new posts, and later some time I'll get around to updating my old posts with the historical weather data
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GWG aaronpk: But what data do you store that you don't use?
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GWG I know you have conditions and temperature
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GWG Do you store any other properties?
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aaronpk In the weather DB I Store most of the response from wunderground, but what I Store in my site is just what you see on the posts
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@edsu @Joseph_Koivisto @westgardja @katedohe Hmm, quite possibly. It definitely sounds like it would be worth a conversation. I think indieweb aka Homebrew Website Club would be more concerned with how to cultivate a personal online identity that is not directly tied to social media, organizations and institutions. (twitter.com/_/status/949671774949728256)
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GWG aaronpk, I am standardizing the data so I am provider agnostic
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@calum_ryan 📢 RSVPs open to next week's Homebrew Website Club London ✏️ Register at https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180110 (twitter.com/_/status/949674376877740036)
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@davidmead @feather I’ve been using WordPress & https://indieweb.org/POSSE for years now @feather. Dabbled with @withknown, but back with WP. (http://djm.click/blog/b/5PZ) (twitter.com/_/status/949675136285855744)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reading up on #IndieWeb. I like the idea of owning and publishing your own content. So I’m going all-in: Installing… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/946154355014668293" by Tom Schenkenberg on 2017-12-27 http://www.schenkenberg.nl/2017-12-28-204/
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@anarchivist @edsu I don't think so but I would love to have a convo with you about this. I think t depends on who is there. Even the IndieWebCamp I went to had one or two folks just working on publishing their own website for the first time. (twitter.com/_/status/949764094868926465)
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snarfed1 interesting: http://worrydream.com/TwitterHeaders/
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snarfed bretvictor++
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Loqi bretvictor has 1 karma
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aaronpk I don't understand
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aaronpk is it like a history of his header images?
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snarfed yup
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jjuran “just trying out twitter lol ^[^[^[ ^Z^Z^Z^Z^Z ^X^C :q :q! how do i”
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@ChrisAldrich @DrNomyn @mrkrndvs @GFThommo @willrich45 Interestingly the idea of online field work (aka sharecropping) has been around for over a decade now! https://indieweb.org/sharecropping I dream of a day when the only online field work is being done by cultural anthropologists. (twitter.com/_/status/949771595186343937)
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Zegnat Who is the guy that does 1 tweet per year?
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Zegnat Ah, got it: https://twitter.com/jpbimmer
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tantek what is slow posting
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "slow posting" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "slow posting is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@goldstein Next up: Integrate Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micropub to allow posting from 3rd party services. (twitter.com/_/status/949773447894327296)
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tantek huh I think IG has a limit of 30 hashtags per photo now
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tantek Instagram--
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Loqi instagram has -2 karma
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tantek and what's with the long rando hex screenshot filenames in iOS11?
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KartikPrabhu I would treat syntax highlighting as "enhancement" so JS would be fine
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KartikPrabhu oops wrong challe