#indieweb 2018-01-10

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tantek what is packaging?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "packaging" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "packaging is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek sounds like a bunch of plumbing dev talk right? or did I miss how it's relevant to the user (besides the usual "AMP bad for the web")
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Loqi misses how it too
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tantek gives Loqi a web package
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Loqi investigates the web package
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes lots of unnecessary plumbing
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KartikPrabhu but also a user problem since AMP is being pushed pretty hard
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tantek but none of the packaging affects that
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tantek or other plumbing details
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@jonathanprozzi HWC 2018-01-09 Wrap Up: https://jonathanprozzi.net/indieweb/hwc-2018-01-09-wrap-up/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTJAiEdVAAAe394.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/950893427889188864)
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[kevinmarks] The packaging proposal is the usual "we need signing" bullshit when "we need verifiable hashes" is sufficient AFAIKT
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[kevinmarks] Hashing is "you can check this is the same bytes as we sent"
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[kevinmarks] Signing is "you can get a chain of dubious assertions that we had to pay people to create that theoretically confirms that the hash came from us"
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tantek [kevinmarks], packaging & hashing -> #indieweb-dev plz
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tantek and signing too
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tantek none of that is relevant details to a user
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@aaronpk @schmarty @HWCBaltimore @indiewebcamp @schmarty oh no you too? I've been on the tail end of a cold for the past wee… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/950907581228175360 (twitter.com/_/status/950907581228175360)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2018-01-10 http://tantek.com/2018/009/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2018-01-10 http://tantek.com/2018/010/e1/homebrew-website-club
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF At: 2018-01-10 17:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4sM1 (twitter.com/_/status/950913090907983873)
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gRegorLove /read post fans, this is nifty: http://www.manton.org/2018/01/books-on-micro-blog.html
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Loqi [manton] Books on Micro.blog
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gRegorLove 📚 in your post makes it show up on the /discover/books page
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[miklb] interesting. emoji as a hashtag
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aaronpk Nice
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notabene http://ampletter.org/?lang=en good intention, that
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Zegnat Yes. Some IndieWeb names amongst the signees.
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@kevinmarks Making the world a better place needs testing. #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTK-HAwU8AE96FO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/951031501847592960)
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@calum_ryan Some new people signed up for tonight's Homebrew Website Club London! Looking forward to first event of 2018. ✅ St… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/951040166633893888 (twitter.com/_/status/951040166633893888)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar is there a vhwc today?
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Zegnat There is
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Zegnat At least, I was planning to show up.
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Zegnat When is next-hwc?
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Loqi Join us for an evening of quiet writing, wiki editing, IndieWeb demos and discussions! Create or update your personal web site! Finish that blog post you’ve been writing, edit the wiki! Demos of recent IndieWeb breakthroughs, share what you've gotten working! Join a community with like-minded interests. Bring friends that want a personal site! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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jeremycherfas And I'm a definite maybe.
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petermolnar still a tad too early for me though, but I'll try to listen in
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Making the world a better place needs testing. #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-10 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/untitled-63
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dgold oh! loqi is a zoomed-out _large_ cute dinosaur!
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dgold I'd always seen it as some sort of messed up monster thing...
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dgold the decorations on its back look like eyes
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jihaisse l
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aaronpk dgold: http://loqi.me
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Loqi Loqi
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dgold aww, super cute dino!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decentralisation at the Mozilla Festival" by Mark Boas on 2018-01-05 https://medium.com/@maboa/decentralisation-at-the-mozilla-festival-aad3e33e1443?source=rss-935b93b5d4c1------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decentralisation at the Mozilla Festival" by Mark Boas on 2018-01-05 https://medium.com/mozilla-festival/decentralisation-at-the-mozilla-festival-aad3e33e1443?source=rss----1672dca181d7---4
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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tantek it's our regular HWC day today!
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tantek have Virtual EU started yet?
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tantek has*
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sknebel yep, an hour ago or so
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tantek is on another telcon else he would join
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tantek reads backlog
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tantek ooh http://www.manton.org/2018/01/books-on-micro-blog.html is exciting!
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Loqi [manton] Books on Micro.blog
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tantek hmm that's worth replying to see if we can get support for other book emojis too
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tantek e.g. 📕📗📘📙📚📖
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tantek e.g. 📕📗📘📙for started or finished reading a book (2nd, 3rd, 4th respectively in a series)
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tantek 📚 for finishing a trilogy / set of books
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tantek 📖 for read/finished a chapter/section or up to a page number of a book (but not yet finished)
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tantek thoughts? [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas ?
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notabene emoji as hashtag, interesting but hard to implement for the layman
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sknebel note that the numbers on 📗 etc are Apple only
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notabene (eg I'm using Windows 7 at work, way behind in standards and proper character map)
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gRegorLove I saw they're supporting a couple book emojis, not sure which ones
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sknebel they are defined as "$color book", only apple puts numbers on them
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gRegorLove Open book and bookmark emojis, looks like: https://micro.blog/manton/264533
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Loqi [manton] @c I've just added the open book and bookmark emoji too. Not sure where to draw the line because there are so many book-related emoji... Let's start with these and see how it goes.
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jeremycherfas Tantek The question of different book emojis all being linked to the same aggregator has been raised.
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gRegorLove notabene: I'm with you. I'm on Win8 and have to use emojipedia to look up / copy if I want to use one. Use them a bit more on my phone, but not a lot.
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gRegorLove Medium-quit: https://colinwalker.blog/10-01-2018-1007/
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Loqi [Colin Walker] Medium has gone the way of Twitter and Facebook. Literally. Gone. I deleted my account last night. Unlike the blue two, however, I exported my data before deletion - not that I had anything to export with the others. In the year between leaving Go...
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dgold "Blue Two" -- like it
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snarfed https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/i-hate-2018-favicons/ yuuuup
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tantek oh boy
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tantek snarfed, did you POSSE that "like" or natively do it on wp . com?
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snarfed native
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tantek also that post is a bit of a strawman :P
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tantek snarfed, also - this advice still works and is a lot more minimal than Nelson's strawman: https://indieweb.org/icon#How_to_Markup
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snarfed feel free to reply!
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tantek replying here since you posted here :P
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dgold why is he doing that?
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tantek because some tool on the web auto-generated it for him
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dgold that's a silly basis for an attack on favicon
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tantek agreed dgold
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Zegnat All that markup might be obsolete within a short time anyway. I expect bookmarking to start pulling the icon from the manifest file.
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tantek Zegnat: I don't. rel=icon is likely going to win, it's simplest / most minimal, and that tends to survive / grow the most longterm
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tantek manifests will end up rotting
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tantek (external metadata etc. etc.)
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sknebel -> dev :P
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tantek yes
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tantek snarfed devtrolled us :P
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snarfed "nerdsniped"
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snarfed oh i see, yes
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tantek no, nerdsniped would have been if we actually wrote an "Actually, " reply to nelson's post in response to your bringing it up
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@jkphl Yak Shaving Club Nuremberg 😉 #HomebrewWebsiteClub #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTMudp0X4AA2xMc.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/951155042064764928)
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tantek jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 36 karma in this channel (40 overall)
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snarfed pagespeed insights now includes real world latency comparisons (ie your page is X fast, compared to other sites): https://developers.googleblog.com/2018/01/real-world-data-in-pagespeed-insights.html
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snarfed i tried it, it's not bad
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snarfed based on anonymized chrome usage
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Zegnat vHWC EU is logging off. I’ll probably publish some notes later. Thanks jeremycherfas and sknebel for being there!
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Zegnat Looks like Nürnberg is on its way though!
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jeremycherfas Thanks people.
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tantek sorry to miss you Zegnat
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tantek is it still on Mumble?
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Zegnat It was on Mumble, yes. I find Mumble is the best on my bandwidth and the quality is up there compared to the WebRTC alternatives we tested.
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calumryan HWC London underway - 3 new attendees
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: is HWC London on for the 10th January? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club#London
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Zegnat Hi London!
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KartikPrabhu twitter's new "thread" ordering is weird. If you reply to your own tweet it bubbles to the top while the rest of the replies are in chronological order below it https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/950843654507237378
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@meyerweb Is it possible to calculate the leg lengths of an isosceles triangle from the height (h) and apex angle (a), and nothing else? Everything I find online assumes you start with the leg lengths. Pointers welcome! (twitter.com/_/status/950843654507237378)
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gRegorLove It's been like that for a while, but yeah it's confusing.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: by "for a while" you mean since the "thread"/"tweetstorm" feature or even before that?
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skippy has anyone used Miniflux 2.x yet? the switch from PHP to golang is interesting. curious if folks have any experience with it.
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gRegorLove I've seen on several popular RTs where the original author replies to the original after a certain RT threshold with "now that I have you here, check out [my project] or [this charity] etc." because their reply shows up near the top.
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KartikPrabhu what is miniflux?
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Loqi Miniflux is minimalist feed reader software https://indieweb.org/Miniflux
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skippy https://docs.miniflux.net/en/latest/opinionated.html
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: interesting. I am surprised I never noticed
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: Not familiar with the thread/tweetstorm. The "Add a tweet" button? I've seen it before that, I think.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/product/2017/nicethreads.html
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gRegorLove Yeah, the add a tweet button.
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gRegorLove That's a bummer about miniflux. Guess I can remove that from my things to try.
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skippy gRegorLove: why so?
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aaronpk oh hey there's a release of the new version out
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gRegorLove I don't know Go. I'm on Dreamhost too, which I don't think offers Go
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aaronpk with Go, it's released as a binary, so you don't need to know about Go at all, as long as you can run the binary
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skippy it's a single Go binary.
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aaronpk whether that's something you can do on dreamhost I am not sure
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skippy unless your specific interest was in tinkering with it, rather than just using it.
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skippy vultr.com has cheapo VPS hosting on which you could run it.
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gRegorLove I was also more interested in it because I'd started adding mf2 support to picoFeed
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Zegnat I also lost interest when they switched to go. In my case because I was going to tinker with what feeds they support.
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gRegorLove jinx :)
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Zegnat Also sad that this means yet another RSS feed parser library goes unsupported :(
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skippy https://github.com/miniflux/miniflux-legacy GPL v3
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Loqi [miniflux] miniflux-legacy: Minimalist RSS reader (version 1.x)
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Zegnat I might end up forking. But it is less attractive if I am the only maintainer.
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aaronpk I am considering maintaining the parser library since I use it in XRay
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aaronpk but i'd much rather just find some other one that is maintained
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gRegorLove what is simplepie?
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Loqi SimplePie is a feed parser library written in PHP, which supports h-feed parsing as of version 1.4 https://indieweb.org/SimplePie
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[cleverdevil] Hello, IndieWeb 🙂
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snarfed hi [cleverdevil]!
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snarfed congrats on your move. can't wait to hear what's next.
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snarfed ping us if you want angel funding :P
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[cleverdevil] I'll be announcing it Friday. Pretty excited myself!
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@bjornmeansbear https://2018.indieweb.org/baltimore (twitter.com/_/status/951191318482518018)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The really sad thing here is that Apple does not support svg favicons, especially as safari was the first browser with full svg support. #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-10 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/the-really-sad-thing-here-is-that-apple-does-not
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tantek kevinmarks that's some brutal shade
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chrisaldrich tantek re: book posts, I saw it yesterday and made a play to get more in already. :) Earlier today he added the open book and the bookmark: http://www.manton.org/2018/01/discover-books-update-day-2.html
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Loqi [manton] Discover books update, day 2
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leotsem1 hi folks, I'm running into a few issues with the micropub endpoint discovery, what's the most appropriate room to get some help?
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tantek hi leotsem1, #indieweb-dev is the best place for protocols & formats discussion
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leotsem1 thanks @tantek
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tantek np! and welcome!
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[kevinmarks] I remember Maciej writing big chunks of the svg code years ago. The other irony is that none of the current iPhones are pixel for pixel any more, so you're targetting an exact pixel size that will be scaled before display.
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