#indieweb 2018-01-11

2018-01-11 UTC
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@sdepolo
Headed to #indieweb #sanFrancisco Meetup https://www.facebook.com/events/126218018181261??ti=ia. Join us if you want to keep the web open for all.
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GWG
Evening
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tantek
HWC SF going on!
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tantek
Stacey and Johannes walking through how to setup Stacye's WordPress to use her own blog instead of Twitter
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tantek
hey aaronpk do you have any more Webmention stickers?
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tantek
or can we for 2018-01-24
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aaronpk
I have webmention.rocks stickers! I never made plain webmention stickers
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aaronpk
I can definitely mail you some!
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tantek
yes those :)
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tantek
I think snarfed might want the art for cupcakes
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tantek
snarfed is demonstrating how he federated a response from his WordPress blog to a permalink on a Mastodon instance, and had his reply show up with direct links to his site (from his icon) and his post permalink (from the "10 days ago" text) !
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GWG
Please apologize to snarfed about me messing up his site
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tantek
apparently not his lives site GWG
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tantek
now snarfed is showing how he has facepiles for likes on his posts!
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tantek
facepile with ellipses for see more!
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tantek
reacji pile!
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tantek
separate from the likes facepiles
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Links for January, 10, 2018" by Andy on 2018-01-11 http://andysylvester.com/2018/01/10/links-for-january-10-2018/
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j12t
Party!
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j12t
Did somebody say party? Yes, we did, at Homebrew Website Club in San Francisco today.
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j12t
By general agreement, 1 million web mentions is something very worthwhile partying about.
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j12t
The thought is that every homebrew website club, or Indie Web event world-wide could have their own party, celebrating the same thing
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j12t
And that we could contact a few journalists and bloggers before the parties so we can get some coverage
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j12t
The page I just created has some of the "talking points".
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j12t
Know some journalists who might be interested? Let's coordinate over the next 24 hours on what what we tell them the story is (my strawman is on the wiki, feel free to edit/augment) and who we can contact.
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j12t
Who's interested in doing bit of PR instead of PHP bug fixing? :-)
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notabene
!tell j12t Also, this may interest the W3C for a blog post or something, I guess
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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notabene
!tell j12t (re: 1 million Webmentions)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[mail]
Sorry to those I was chatting to other day
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[mail]
and wouldnt come back
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[mail]
My connection to slack died
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[mail]
I found that post kinds plugin was causing error with bridgy plugin
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[mail]
but thanks nonetheless
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[mail]
The Independent Publisher theme is so great
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GWG
How was it causing error?
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@sl007
@johl Kampagne, um eindeutige Webadressen für Inhalte neu zu beleben ? http://indieweb.org / https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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aaronpk
heh, my flickr pro subscription just renewed without any warning
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aaronpk
maybe this will be the year i finally own my photos and cancel it
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Zegnat
I think I am going to keep letting Google manage my photos for me this year.
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jeremycherfas
Unless Flickr beats you to it.
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petermolnar
managing photos is still a PITA to be honest
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petermolnar
I've attempted to sync my complete list of photos to flickr, just to outsource some of the issues, but in the end, I canceled the process
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jeremycherfas
Part of the problem, I think, is that so many people have such different ideas of what "managing photos" means.
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aaronpk
yeah for sure
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aaronpk
thankfully flickr maps pretty well to my idea
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aaronpk
i think really the only major thing it's missing for me is storing the RAW format
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jeremycherfas
I'm OK with that, because I use Flickr mostly as a public portfolio and manage the photos locally. I'm working on thinking about a changed workflow, though, to prepare for the end of Aperture.
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aaronpk
i just don't have a local archive of my photos anymore o.O
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[mlopatka]
*aaronpk
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[mlopatka]
aaronok, do you use a cold storage service?
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[mlopatka]
or all in Flickr?
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aaronpk
[mlopatka]: i use backblaze for backups, but it's not about just keeping files, it's an issue of how to organize them and find them
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aaronpk
i was running this a few years ago which downloaded a complete local copy of my flickr data and kept it up to date, but i need to do a bunch of work to make it work again https://github.com/aaronpk/Flickr-Archiver
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Loqi
[aaronpk] Flickr-Archiver: Backs up your entire Flickr stream to a local site.
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[mlopatka]
aaronpk ah nice! this seems like a great solution. I’ve been toying with the idea of using Amazon glacier for the massive amount of photos that did not make the cut for Flickr, but indeed the organization, searching, retrieval, etcs is a huge effort
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aaronpk
these days if I do a massive shoot that generates tons of photos that I don't end up doing anything with, I am just okay with deleting them
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aaronpk
i process the set to publish a few of them, and just realize that I'm not going to ever touch the originals again anyway
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[mlopatka]
yeah, I hesitate to pull the trigger, even though I know it is the rational thing to do… its easy to be a digital packrat 🙂
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[mlopatka]
better to keep TBs of photos on disk for that one time I’ll want to find a picture from that trip that time
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sknebel
for now, disks get bigger than my photo archive, so I don't mind the packrat aspect too much
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sknebel
(although there certainly are things I could remove, e.g. alternative source images for shoots where the right one has been selected, edited and printed years ago
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petermolnar
I've tried all; flickr, flickr sync, glacier, self-hosted
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petermolnar
ended up with self-hosted, as that's still the most cost-efficient and convenient (all heil rsync)
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petermolnar
also blu-ray
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petermolnar
but that's tricky: 25GB disks are a bit too small, 50GB is expensive, 100GB is impossible to get and _very_ expensive besides the fact that verbatim is unreliable
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petermolnar
and panasonic is near-impossible to get in europe (100GB)
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petermolnar
pretty inconvenient and uncomfortable as well, but at least you don't have to pay rent
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petermolnar
which is why I don't like billing based archival services
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jeremycherfas
I have become much happier about deleting forever images that have not made the cut first time around.
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petermolnar
that's not even a question :)
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petermolnar
it's much less painful to delete them right on the camera though
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sknebel
highly depends :)
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jeremycherfas
Never in the camera; only after seeing on calibrated screen and comparing with others of the "same" shot.
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Zegnat
GitHub down for anyone else?
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KartikPrabhu
funny that the "too long to download" page loads immediately
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Zegnat
When is next-hwc?
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Loqi
Join us for an evening of quiet writing, wiki editing, IndieWeb demos and discussions! Create or update your personal web site! Finish that blog post you’ve been writing, edit the wiki! Demos of recent IndieWeb breakthroughs, share what you've gotten working! Join a community with like-minded interests. Bring friends that want a personal site! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Phew, that was hard! Finally have a Huginn workflow for syndicating Mastodon favs and boosts back to my personal site, from where I post (using" by Sebastian Kippe on 2018-01-11 https://updates.kip.pe/2018/phew-that-was-hard-finally-have-a-huginn-workflow-for
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Zegnat
(PSA: GitHub is back.)
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skippy
if you're an Amazon Prime subscriber, Amazon Prime Photos seems pretty decent for long-term storage. It's not got an API, but for a digital dumping ground it works well enough.
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notabene
(am I the only one to prefer rsync on LAN hard drive + rsync on hard drive in my backpack?)
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[miklb]
waves hi at skippy 👋
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skippy
ahoy hoy, [miklb] !
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petermolnar
no, notabene; I have a 1tb drive in my laptop for this, sync to homeserver, sync to remote server
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skippy
i have a QNAP NAS that I use, too.
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notabene
has any one tried syncing to a remote server hosted by a friend? this would be very indie indeed :)
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notabene
I was considering this but ADSL stalls me for the moment, I'm afraid bandwidth will make the rsync sluggish
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skippy
I've thought about it, notabene, but don't feel like playing remote tech support hwen things go awry.
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skippy
Have a look at SyncThing as an alternative to cron rsync.
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notabene
will do
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petermolnar
notabene if you rsync to local server and let the local server sync remotely slowly that should be fine, it is what I'm doing as well
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petermolnar
the initial sync took ~2weeks though :D
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[miklb]
slow and low, that is the tempo
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dgold
dammit. I just killed off my huginn yesterday
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@sdepolo
Great news for #indieWeb enthusiasts and anyone who wants to own our content. Eager to try this #WordPress plugin.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/951493659924590594
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jjuran
Some images are bd enough be deleted in-camera. :-)
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jjuran
*bad enough
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Zegnat
On the subject of /readers it looks like Feedbin now supports a special interface for subscribing to Twitter feeds: https://feedbin.com/blog/2018/01/11/feedbin-is-the-best-way-to-read-twitter/
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snarfed
newsblur too
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j12t
HWC organizers: have a party at your next event like San Francisco will? https://indieweb.org/Webm1m
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Loqi
j12t: notabene left you a message 8 hours, 15 minutes ago: Also, this may interest the W3C for a blog post or something, I guess
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Loqi
j12t: notabene left you a message 8 hours, 14 minutes ago: (re: 1 million Webmentions)
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j12t
tantek snarfed: is there a pointer to the 1 million number and where it came from somewhere?
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snarfed
j12t: no complete blog post yet. it comes from 960k bridgy (https://brid.gy/#stats) + 25k webmention.io (aaronpk in IRC 1w ago or so) + projected 5-10k each for hosted known and webmention.herokuapp.com
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j12t
snarfed: we need to write this up somewhere so that writers we talked to about this have a "reference" for the news.
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snarfed
j12t: understood!
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j12t
There is some noise on this call :-) but did I just hear you volunteer? :-)
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snarfed
😂 sure
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j12t
Thank you! You are closest to the numbers and can speak authoritatively ...
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j12t
tantek: notabene suggested the W3C might be interested in a blog post. Do you know who to talk to there?
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[colinwalker]
I don’t know how many webmentions micro.blog will have sent so far as well. Don’t know if manton can provide a number or not.
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j12t
colinwalker: having a number from them would be cool. How can we find out?
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snarfed
ask manton on micro.blog?
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chrisaldrich
@manton is also often paying attention here in chat as well ^^
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[colinwalker]
I’ve personally received approx 900 from it so I’d imagine the number could be decent.
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chrisaldrich
I was putting a location together today for the LA area, and could certainly add us down for a party
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chrisaldrich
I added some tweaks to /Webm1m
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j12t
++chrisaldrich
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[colinwalker]
Just asked in the micro.blog slack
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[colinwalker]
He might be able to look later but the logging was more for debugging than stats so won’t be completely accurate.
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chrisaldrich
We should add the idea of a Webmentions party to the group attending /2018/Baltimore that weekend cc: schmarty
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Loqi
yea!
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schmarty
chrisaldrich: i'm open to ideas on how to celebrate! we have an optional dinner on friday, and no official events planned for saturday evening.
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schmarty
(nor sunday evening)
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aaronpk
wonders when the millionth Micropub post will be created
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chrisaldrich
schmarty, Maybe do it at lunch when you've got everyone. Printing a poster to go along with the group photo might also be an easy thing to do for the celebration.
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chrisaldrich
Or at least will be a lot of people in the photo for potential news stories...
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schmarty
heh, that is clever
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aaronpk
did we count Telegraph's webmentions?
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snarfed
aaronpk: no, but feel free!
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snarfed
ideally remove both bridgy and wm.io pls
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aaronpk
thinks about that
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aaronpk
there shouldn't be any bridgy ones there because telegraph sends
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aaronpk
but yeah I can remove the ones that telegraph sends to webmention.io
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aaronpk
oh, what about bridgy publish
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snarfed
what about it...? the wms to trigger it? i don't include them in the bridgy count
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snarfed
they're wms in letter but not really in spirit
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aaronpk
okay excluding those there are 2400 sent by telegraph
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[keithjgrant]
how do y’all ping superfeedr after publishing something? I always have to look it up and I’m never sure it ever worked
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snarfed
thx aaronpk
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aaronpk
including those it's 12,300 lol
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snarfed
including bridgy publish?
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aaronpk
and ones sent to webmention.io
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aaronpk
I guess that makes sense since webmention.io is a relatively major webmention receiver
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snarfed
aww cwieske's search is down. https://search.cweiske.de/
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snarfed
that will make it harder to find when aaronpk told me wm.io had 25k wms
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j12t
I have created a list of PR contacts for this: https://indieweb.org/Webm1m/PR
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j12t
Who else do we know who might write about this?
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Loqi
[indieweb] indieweb-chat-archive: Full archive of IndieWeb chat log data files
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Zegnat
If you do not have your own logs, that is.
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[mail]
good evening indieweb
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tomasparks
morning here
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gRegorLove
Howdy [mail]
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Phew, that was hard! Finally have a Huginn workflow for syndicating Mastodon favs and boosts back to my personal site, from where I post (using #IndieWeb #webmentions).Here’s the scenario diagram: (blog post and Huginn gems coming soon)." by Neil Mather on 2018-01-11 https://doubleloop.net/2018/01/11/phew-hard-finally-huginn-workflow-syndicating-mastodon-favs-boosts-back-personal-site-i-post-using-indieweb-webmentions-heres-scenario-diagram-b/
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doublelo1p
Oof, sorry about that messy post of mine picked up by superfeedr :o
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doublelo1p
I need to work on my like posts
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dgold
doubleloop: have you done the blog post on how you made that work?
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doubleloop
dgold: How I made like posts work?
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doubleloop
Oh, do you mean the backfeed from Mastodon? That's not me - I just liked the post :)
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snarfed
thanks Zegnat! fyi aaronpk, you might want to switch the chat.indieweb.org search form from search.cweiske.de to github search
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dgold
ah, sorry, thought it was yourself :)
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aaronpk
let's find out if cweiske is going to fix the search first
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aaronpk
that github repo wasn't meant to be a user-facing thing, since it stores everything in JSON
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Zegnat
The actual search by cweiske is definitely much more user friendly than GitHub.
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] 1 Million Webmentions
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j12t
snarfed: Excellent!
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snarfed
re reporters, i think scott rosenberg has been to one or more IWCs before too. glad he's on there
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j12t
On the list of press contacts listed on https://indieweb.org/press-kit, is this list still accurate? E.g. I haven't heard of Shane in a while, but that might just be me.
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[colinwalker]
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 293 karma in this channel (333 overall)
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tantek
oh wow it happened?!?
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snarfed
we don't know :P
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snarfed
but likely yes
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[colinwalker]
I’d imagine so.
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snarfed
i haven't even tried to guess how big the long tail is, ie how many purely site to site wms have been sent, that didn't go through any big service...but maybe another 5k ish?
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tantek
ooh I like this kind of pre-posting to get people excited about it
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tantek
now that's good PR strategy. like movie teasers
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Zegnat
Oh, I totally forgot about /press-kit as a page. Wonder if I should add myself as a contact.
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tantek
have you had media training?
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j12t
tantek: IMHO media training is overrated, however, as the news shows every day, one should not go on the record without a very clear plan what to say and what not :-)
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tantek
j12t you're particularly media savvy, so it may be overrated for you :)
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tantek
and you've had LOTS of practice
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tantek
I'd say media training is essential if you a) haven't had practice or b) haven't had lots of experience talking to reporters and seeing what they actually report
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[colinwalker]
snarfed I like to think that 5K is a bit conservative god peer to peer
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tantek
there's lots of common mistakes that "geeks" (developers especially) make when talking to press
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j12t
The latter ... yes.
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tantek
like over-explaining, over-selling, focusing on plumbing etc.
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[mail]
So I'm my new indieweb website. Planning posts table. I'm just wondering about structure.
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[mail]
I was thinking of a root post table that would hold `id, published_at, is_public`.
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[mail]
Then give each post type a separate table that would link back to its root post.
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[mail]
Does anybody smell any issues with that approach?
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tantek
trying to sell numerous messages simultaneously
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tantek
what is a posts table
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "posts table" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/111z (Or just say "posts table is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel
[mail]: -> #dev channel please :)
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tantek
oh hey [mail] - that sounds like a development level discussion
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[mail]
ah sry
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tantek
hah, sknebel beat me to it
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tantek
np :) glad you're here
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[mail]
my bad
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[mail]
thanks tantek
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tantek
you're in good company. happens here a lot
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[mail]
I had a site before but let it slide then at somepoint managed to delete the code 😬 . But am back from the brink
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tantek
yes it can be challenging :)
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[mail]
just a tad. hehe
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[mail]
i was looking at aaronpk's site just and it re-inspired me
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tantek
great! that's a big reason to make this stuff work on your own site. every time you do you'll likely inspire someone else :)
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@martijnvdven
@sl007 do you know any tech journalists we could add to this list? https://indieweb.org/Webm1m/PR
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@adamdawkins
Another boring note testing syndication between my site and Twitter. #indieweb
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@adamdawkins
A boring note testing syndication between my site and Twitter. #indieweb
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@adamdawkins
A boring note testing syndication between my site and Twitter. #indieweb
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@adamdawkins
A boring note testing syndication between my site and Twitter. #indieweb
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chrisaldrich
Noticing wonky webmentions on Amber Case's site. http://caseorganic.com/2018/01/welcome-to-2018/ I suspect she either never added/updated the semantic linkbacks plugin or doesn't know it exists.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Liked: 1 Million Webmentions | snarfed.org... Ryan reports that we have likely passed the “1 million webmentions sent” mark which is a brilliant milestone and achievement. As he explains, while there are a few larger services, such as webmention.io and Bridgy, the very idea behind webmentions is that they don’t require a central conduit. They are designed to be point to point, directly from one site to another, so the actual number could be higher. Read the full post..." by Colin Walker on 2018-01-11 https://colinwalker.blog/11-01-2018-2355/