#indieweb 2018-01-12

2018-01-12 UTC
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tantek !tell [chrisaldrich] might be worth bring up Amber's webmention plugin issues in #indieweb-wordpress, maybe one of the plugin authors can reach out to her to help
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] Tantek I mentioned it here as surely someone here is more likely to know her personally vs other channel. I suspect the fix is as easy as install plugin and activate.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-01-12.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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PFMurph Let it be known that on this day I have fulfilled a childhood dream of mine: to control the lights in my bedroom from my bed using some wacky rube goldberg type invention.
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PFMurph except it's less rube goldberg and more arduino attached to a pushbutton and a servo
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KartikPrabhu PFMurph: the human body should count as a rube goldberg machine
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[xavierroy] i too do this in three ways: one via gooole assistant & ifttt, one more using telegram&ifftt and the last one with fitbit
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jeremycherfas Good morning fellow IndieWebers
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sknebel good morning jeremycherfas. btw, loqi has a message for you in -chat I think
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jeremycherfas Tks
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Zegnat Congratulations Webmention, on turning 1 year old as W3C Rec 🎉
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[sebsel] Morning Indieweb :)
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[sebsel] Just to report back on HWC Amsterdam: it went great! Three people turned up, making a total of five. Explained some basic things about domains and hosts. (And about the addictive nature of registering domains.) And ofcourse some basic Indieweb principles and techniques in action. We’re aiming to make this a monthly thing :D
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[sebsel] I’m afraid I did forget to take a picture though :(
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sknebel sebsel++ nice to hear!
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Loqi sebsel has 30 karma in this channel (58 overall)
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Zegnat sebsel++
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Loqi sebsel has 31 karma in this channel (59 overall)
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[sebsel] mlopatka++ for making this possible :)
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Loqi mlopatka has 1 karma
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Zegnat mlopatka++ definitely!
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Loqi mlopatka has 2 karma
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sknebel mlopatka++ then ;)
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Loqi mlopatka has 3 karma
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jeremycherfas Sebsel++
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Loqi sebsel has 32 karma in this channel (60 overall)
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jeremycherfas Maybe I'll be able to transit through Schipol one day to coincide.
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Zegnat For people who haven’t removed Twitter from their phones because they use the DMs: https://projectdent.com/twim-5d620694bc15
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[mlopatka] Thanks all, I am really happy to get an Amsterdam edition started up again. Betweenthe great conversaton with excited newcommers I even managed to hack a little bit on a personal website refresh that is *looong* overdue
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[mlopatka] I’ll continue to coordinate with sebsel as we try to make it a monthly meeting also on Wednesdays to sync up with other European HBW events
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petermolnar are all who showed up prefer Wednesdays?
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petermolnar (asking because I'm sometimes in Ams for business, but the only night I could do is Tue)
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[mlopatka] Mostly we were thinking Wednesday to be consistent with the majority of HWC events. Sadly, the space that we used is not available on Tuesday nights
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GWG Good morning all
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[mlopatka] can anyone on indieweb point me to a solution for liberating my linkedin content for viewership by unauthenticated users?
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petermolnar wth? this is new. My profile is certainly set to world-readable, yet it seems to be impossible to see it without logging in to linkedin any more
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petermolnar I ended up building a h-resume on my /about site by hand a few months ago for these cases
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petermolnar but if linkedin removed the option for my profile to be world readable, I'm deleting my account
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cweiske what's your linkedin url?
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petermolnar trying to find it, it's been a while I used it
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petermolnar bringing this to -chat
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petermolnar cweiske you're not in indieweb-chat
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cweiske what's the difference between #indiechat and #indieweb-chat?
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petermolnar yes.
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ben_thatmustbeme hey cweiske, as i remember you had expressed interest in helping maintain microformats-ruby parser
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ben_thatmustbeme i had even invited you to be a collaborator at one point, i need a second to approve a PR
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cweiske err. probably not :)
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[eddie] I don’t see that anyone explained the chat channel difference. Indiechat is not bridged to slack, indieweb-chat is bridged to slack
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cweiske it was explained in -chat :)
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aaronpk 😂
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[eddie] Haha! 😆
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Loqi hehe
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snarfed huh, i'm seeing empty pages for some micro.blog urls. multiple browsers, both logged in and out. i don't use m.b much, am i missing something?
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snarfed https://micro.blog/c/49987 , https://micro.blog/m/11817
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snarfed reported
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[eddie] very strange!
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jeremycherfas }Empty for me too.
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[colinwalker] Posts that are no longer in the timeline? Deleted perhaps?
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tantek Next meetups: IndieWebCamp Baltimore 2018-01-20..21! https://indieweb.org/2018/Baltimore Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-24-homebrew-website-club. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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tantek !tell adactio have you considered creating a /facepile for your likes on posts?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek has anyone used TwIM? https://projectdent.com/twim-5d620694bc15 the site looks cool
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Zegnat Not used (no iOS phone) but I did link that link earlier today :)
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tantek yes that's where I saw it - from you :)
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[colinwalker] I used it for a bit at the beginning of last year after I stopped posting but still DM’d a couple of people. It worked really well.
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[cleverdevil] Howdy, IndieWeb!
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[colinwalker] Hey
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wladz_ Is anyone using a feed reader they want to recommend?
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wladz_ I checked out https://indieweb.org/feed_reader
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wladz_ I'm looking for something I can self-host, ideally with a paid hosting option
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Zegnat I use Feedbin, which is technically self-hostable though I know nobody who does that. I think some people are selfhosting tt-rss and miniflux.
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snarfed a number of us use and like newsblur. open source, but most people use the paid (freemium) hosted service
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wladz_ Thanks. Looks like I get my pick of implementation languages: Ruby, PHP, golang, or Python
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j12t !tell tantek: can you post about the next "party" HWC meeting, so I can point people to an actual RSVP-able event?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[keithjgrant] does bridgy get a little backed up sometimes?
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: not much. check your user page?
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[keithjgrant] oh, they came through. My user page had a few WMs say "sending:" for a 2 or 3 minutes. They eventually came through though
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snarfed ah yes the wm sending queue is a few min behind right now
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[keithjgrant] ah. cool. Well, i think Twitter is about to add to that load 🙈
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: ?
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[keithjgrant] my twitter notifications just blew up for my latest post
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snarfed great!
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[mrkrndvs] Hmmmm wldaz_ I use Inoreader (not self-hosted) but 'host' my OPML file like Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/10/a-following-page/
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Loqi [Author Chris Aldrich] A Following Page (aka some significant updates to my Blogroll)
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gRegorLove !tell chrisaldrich: Looks like your h-card is catching "Author" as part of your name.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Good news? Bad news? News at all? You decide! https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/01/12/facebook-news-feed
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j12t_ I'
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j12t_ I'm just noticing something: if I company decided this IndieWeb thing sounds interesting, and they'd like help, what should they do? Some FLOSS projects have links "commercial support". Should indieweb.org have something like that, too? I assume there's be enough people in this community who'd be willing and able to ...?
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sknebel what is sponsor?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/sponsor
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sknebel j12t: ^^^
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j12t sknebel: that's not what I meant: imagine you are an ISP hosting lots of personal or smallbiz companies, and you think it would be cool to provide IndieWeb support out of the box for all of your customers. You'd like to pick up the phone and hire a consultant. Where do you go?
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sknebel oh, sorry
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sknebel not sure why I misread that
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j12t No problem :-)
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aaronpk what is friendly?
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Loqi IndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating well with the indieweb by supporting open indieweb formats, protocols, as well as enabling users to transition to their own indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/friendly
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aaronpk there are some notes there
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aaronpk I definitely thought you were asking about sponsorship too at first
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j12t I cunningly left out the word "to" between "they'd like" and "help".
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sknebel starting issue is that indieweb is not one FLOSS project, so it would depend on what you are doing, but I don't think we have a list of "these people do consulting jobs and know about indieweb"
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Zegnat (You decide to use WordPress, drop some cryptic feature requests on GWG, and sit back without having to hire a consultant; is the obvious business answer.)
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[kevinmarks] @wladz_ woodwind is a good reader with integrated micropub posting. Self hosting it would mean you're not reliant on the core site
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tantek j12t++ for being the best kind of nag :D
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Loqi j12t has 14 karma in this channel (15 overall)
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j12t GIven that I'm currently writing PR e-mails instead of fixing bugs, I get to nag a little :-)
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tantek Loqi Y U NO give me j12t's message?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4sPFrjgK.jpg
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j12t It was: tantek: can you post about the next "party" HWC meeting, so I can point people to an actual RSVP-able event?
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tantek I saw it in the logs, just curious why Loqi didn't speak up
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tantek gives Loqi a nudge
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Loqi steps on the nudge
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tantek well there's the problem right there
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tantek gives Loqi a poke
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Loqi eats the poke
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tantek well at least we know Loqi is pesceterian
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j12t Ok, PR e-mails are out, and one response: "In one word, yes." (for an article in a publication)
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snarfed j12t++ awesome!
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Loqi j12t has 15 karma in this channel (16 overall)
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snarfed waits for cleverdevil to announce that he's joined amazon
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tantek what is the algorithm
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Loqi An algorithm is a series of steps used to to automatically perform some computation and/or other operations to come up with a result https://indieweb.org/algorithm
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tantek darn it
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tantek what is fb algorithm
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fb algorithm" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fb algorithm is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek seriously
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tantek what is facebook algorithm
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Loqi Facebook Master Algorithm is the name given to Facebook's algorithm for determining what content to show in Facebook's reader (AKA News Feed shown on their logged-in homepage), also adopted and tweaked by Instagram for their reader (app home screen) https://indieweb.org/Facebook_Algorithm
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tantek FB Algorithm is /Facebook_Algorithm
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is FB Algo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FB Algo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "FB Algo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek FB Algo is /Facebook_Algorithm
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Is "Facebook Master Algorithm" their official name for it, or just what the WSJ labeled it?
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gRegorLove Paywall on that article btw :/
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tantek gRegorLove: feel free to annotate any (Paywall) articles like that
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tantek I do the same with (W3C Member Only) for example
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gRegorLove Hey, thanks Internet Archive :) http://web.archive.org/web/20180109033003/https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-facebooks-master-algorithm-powers-the-social-network-1508673600
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tantek FB Algo << 2018-01-11 NiemanLab: [http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/01/facebook-drastically-changes-news-feed-to-make-it-good-for-people-and-bad-for-most-publishers/ Facebook drastically changes News Feed to make it “good for people” (and bad for most publishers)] via John Gruber: [https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/01/12/facebook-news-feed Facebook Purportedly Changes News Feed to Make It ‘Good for People’]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-01-11 NiemanLab: [http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/01/facebook-drastically-changes-news-feed-to-make-it-good-for-people-and-bad-for-most-publishers/ Facebook drastically changes News Feed to make it “good for people” (and bad for most publishers)] via John Gruber: [https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/01/12/facebook-news-feed Facebook Purportedly Changes News Feed to Make It ‘Good for People’]" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook_Master_Algorithm
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[colinwalker] Facebook and “good for people” in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron.
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/im-lucky-to-be-one-of-the-first-fritterers-going
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] “I'm lucky to be one of the first fritterers. Going to be a long time before you can find a username as clean as dat://6b2a780d3af972d7857a4...” http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/7ff0dc6d46f3f0eb5de2de1c4101c274/thumb.png
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tantek lol kevinmarks
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[kevinmarks] j12t I'm happy to be an indieweb consultant. That would be a pleasant change from explaining why a blockchain wouldn't help
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tantek what is a consultant
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "consultant" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "consultant is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek ^^^ there's your chance [kevinmarks]
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KartikPrabhu lol
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j12t kevinmarks: You must be mistaken. Take on old yellowish brand name, add block chain, explode stock. It does help!
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j12t tantek: what about making it broader? any kind of consulting, products, services, anything "commercial".
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tantek j12t, sounds a bit astronauty
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tantek just solve the immediate need (use-case) in front of us now
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tantek what is astronauty
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "astronauty" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "astronauty is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] a consultant is someone you hire so you can learn from other people's mistakes
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is architecture astronomy
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Loqi architecture astronomy is the practice of analyzing problems, seeing patterns, and then generalizing to higher and higher level abstractions on top of those patterns to the point where the abstractions become so general, so vague, so detached from the original problems being analyzed, that they don't mean anything at all https://indieweb.org/architecture_astronomy
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tantek astronauty is /architecture_astronomy
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Loqi ok
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j12t What about "Products and Services".
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[kevinmarks] hm. I think that is wrong, or at least novel
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[kevinmarks] the original was arichtecture astronaut
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[kevinmarks] the better metaphor would be architecture astrology
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[kevinmarks] unless you mean to imply they're looking through the wrong end of a telescope?
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tantek [kevinmarks] the original errantly focused on critcizing a person (astronaut) when it is always better to criticize an idea or a particular practice instead
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tantek perhaps more like architecture astronavigation
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