#indieweb 2018-02-01

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tantek what is social media
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Loqi social media is the marketing term for silos and silo posts, ironically more anti-social than social, and encouraging of extreme opposition rather than medium perspectives https://indieweb.org/social_media
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tantek social media << 2018-01-20 [https://www.thedailybeast.com/social-media-shreds-the-social-fabric-one-click-at-a-time] <blockquote>Forget Russian hacking—the real threat to democracies around the globe is social media’s inexorable and unavoidable destruction of common ground and shared perspective.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-01-20 [https://www.thedailybeast.com/social-media-shreds-the-social-fabric-one-click-at-a-time] <blockquote>Forget Russian hacking—the real threat to democracies around the globe is social media’s inexorable and unavoidable destruction of common ground and shared perspective.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /social_media
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tantek when a CMS / event system doesn't let authors put in hypertext: "Copy and paste link to view T-shirt sizing chart: https://shop.runrocknroll.com/pages/sizing-chart " actual text on sign-up form
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chrisaldrich !tell kevinmarks I'm episodes behind, but if you need an interesting topic for a Gillmor Gang esp w/ Doc, the IndieWeb chat earlier today on brands/marketing could be an awesome hour (or two) discussion. It started roughly here: https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-01-31#t1517434861920100
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [aaronpk] Whoa apparently hootsuite has access to the instagram api to be able to post photos https://hootsuite.com/instagram
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schmarty lol my improv co-conspirator and i created a website for one of our favorite part-scripted, part-improvised, all-camp projects
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schmarty in the spirit of being campy, we decided to host the site on neocities
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schmarty and tonight my winding down before bed activity was to add microformats
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schmarty which leads to me being able to RSVP to my own event like so: https://martymcgui.re/2018/01/31/224122/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] I'm going! Every GHOST PARTY 👻🎉 show is special, and this one may be the most special yet. Please join us to celebrate… love? Probably? Tickets available on Eventbrite for only $5!
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schmarty it's basically a single long site, so i added fragment URLs as the u-urls to each h-entry in the h-feed to have permalinks
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schmarty ( for the curious, the site is at ghostparty.today )
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schmarty just one way that the indieweb has brought me joy today
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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tantek good day Zegnat
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Zegnat tantek did you ever see my !tell in -meta re the HWC pages?
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tantek checking
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@carsonmaryc The punk rock internet – how DIY ​​rebels ​are working to ​replace the tech giants https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/01/punk-rock-internet-diy-rebels-working-replace-tech-giants-snoopers-charter?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet #webwewant #indieweb #ownurowndata (twitter.com/_/status/958987188372426752)
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[kevinmarks] Clearly I need to be more punk rock in North Yorkshire
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: chrisaldrich left you a message 5 hours, 55 minutes ago: I'm episodes behind, but if you need an interesting topic for a Gillmor Gang esp w/ Doc, the IndieWeb chat earlier today on brands/marketing could be an awesome hour (or two) discussion. It started roughly here: https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-01-31#t1517434861920100
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/959001615096311808
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@BuzzFeedUKPol The Culture Secretary Matt Hancock has launched a social network called "Matt Hancock" and we have questions https://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/matt-hancock-matt-hancock-matt-hancock-matt-hancock-matt?utm_term=4ldqpgm&bftwuk#4ldqpgm (twitter.com/_/status/959001615096311808)
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notabene wondering whether Loqi shouldn't get rid of tracking stuff such as utm_* and #* for privacy etc. — thinking that eventually it's not very important — dropping the thought altogether
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[kevinmarks] Today in weird monoculture news
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[kevinmarks] I usually edit them to say indieweb instead
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/958994067576246272?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3
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@aljwhite I’m starting to think a cabinet minister creating a social network with no verification process may not have been the wisest move https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU8IBETW0AA0n1s.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/958994067576246272)
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[kevinmarks] Built with this https://www.disciplemedia.com/
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[jeremycherfas] Too funny.
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/PrivacyMatters/status/959023046832152576
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@PrivacyMatters 1/ Hold me twitter. Here goes. (1) no Privacy Policy on the App landing page which doesn't meet Apples guidelines (2) The app is promoted as the 'Official App for Matt Hancock' but the 'seller' is Disciple Media Ltd (3) Individuals must tick to 'accept' a Privacy Policy and ToS (twitter.com/_/status/959023046832152576)
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[kevinmarks] Hancock is the minister responsible for data protection, btw
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jjuran Is this a publicity stunt?
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jjuran What is Apple?
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Loqi Apple is a for-profit publicly traded ($AAPL) corporation that produces various products (iPhone, iPod, Macintosh) & software (iOS, macOS), and provides services (iCloud, iMessage, iTunes, Apple Music), all of which focus on good UX, also an IndieWeb principle, and thus are used by many in the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/Apple
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[hans] Over in #chat I asked about IndieMark…
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[hans] …as presently described, IndieMark is clearly a maturity model and as such has opinions about what’s “right” for a personal web presence.
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[hans] That’s not bad, but it does make it too complex and possibly-controversial to serve a purpose I’m looking for: I want a “this site is indie and proud” brand.
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[hans] Maybe with some nuance, like Creative Commons. I have not found such a thing, and am fishing for suggestions.
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jeremycherfas I like the circular mark that zegnat linked to, but it is also very complex. It shows progress, for sure, but almost needs its own page of explanation.
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[hans] And embeds a lot of information, so can “lie” … I mostly want a way to say “I like the idea and am trying”
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[hans] (something to replace “made with SquareSpace” 😉 )
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Zegnat Circular IndieMark follows several axes and lets the person decide along what axis to progress. As per images from jkphl https://jkphl.is/slides/ihdnue2016-en/#20
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Loqi [Joschi Kuphal] IndieWeb
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Zegnat There are also described on the wiki page: https://indieweb.org/IndieMark#draft_axes
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Zegnat Both levels and axes are “drafts” on that page. There is only an apparent priority by accident because levels are higher up on that page.
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Zegnat I think there is definite value in urging people to reach some sort of “level 1” milestone. But after that the linear progression from level 1 to 2 to 3 might not match with what people want (e.g. as [hans] expressed), so then it becomes easier to talk about axes.
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jeremycherfas I think the hard part is to show at a glance how far along how many axes one has moved.
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[kevinmarks] Aaron made a retro indieweb badge
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[kevinmarks] https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/30/7/indieweb-badge
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] New Tiny IndieWeb Badge!
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jeremycherfas Those are great, and also very retro.
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[kevinmarks] i feel like I should make an SVG version, but that is a bit random
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camb[m] Retro indeed :)
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petermolnar but...but...but... it's 80x16, not 88x31!
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@LukasRosenstock This article on @GoDaddy's blog by @Johannes_Ernst is a great primer to the #IndieWeb and its building blocks and principles (such as #POSSE), written for small businesses: https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indieweb-facebook-opportunities/ (twitter.com/_/status/959061524907200512)
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@jgarber Pretty wild drawing a line from @IndieWebCampUK 2013 in Brighton to today. (twitter.com/_/status/959069379735547904)
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[mlopatka] Not to wake sleeping dogs, but Mozilla just posted a follow up regarding the “Looking Glass” add-on failure and a slightly more detailed explanation about internal procedure changes resulting from that mess: https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/
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Loqi Retrospective: Looking Glass
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, don’t know if you were going to play with it, but currently Omnibear does not seem to work with Sink :(
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[kevinmarks] https://svgshare.com/s/5Hh
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Loqi Indieweb svg badge https://svgshare.com/i/5Hh.svg
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[kevinmarks] that is actually bigger than the png in bytes
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Loqi [superfeedr] "SVG version of @aaronpk's bitmap indieweb badge https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/30/7/indieweb-badge https://svgshare.com/s/5Hh" by Kevin Marks on 2018-02-01 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/svg-version-of-aaronpks-bitmap-indieweb-badge-201712307indieweb-badge-s5hh
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tantek what is Sink
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Loqi Sink is an experimental site by Martijn van der Ven that allows anyone with an IndieAuth enabled URL to post to it using any Micropub client https://indieweb.org/Sink
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schmarty kevinmarks++ it may be more bytes but it still brings me joy
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Loqi kevinmarks has 220 karma in this channel (296 overall)
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Zegnat I should maybe elaborate on that “any Micropub client”, as I keep running into incompatible clients
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Loqi yea!
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jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat; too busy for it today.
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@adactio @jgarber @IndieWebCampUK That’s quite a narrative! (twitter.com/_/status/959092479986413568)
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[kevinmarks] I made a gradient variant https://svgshare.com/s/5JM
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Loqi svg bitmap badge with gradient https://svgshare.com/i/5JM.svg
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[kevinmarks] not sure if that violates the spirit or not
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4si7G5d1.jpg
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petermolnar anyone has any new on the proposed IWC London in May?
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petermolnar s/new/news/
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dgold or there's: https://svg-badge.appspot.com/badge/IWC/INDIEWEB?color=FFA500
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tantek this is a good critique of both FB, and notification overload http://bradfrost.com/blog/post/facebook-you-needy-sonofabitch/
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Loqi Facebook, You Needy Sonofabitch Several months ago, I turned off notifications from Facebook on my phone. Last week, I we...
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Zegnat !tell [keithjgrant] I owe you a (liquid) apology for not catching the Omnibear issues I just filed before your wonderful 1.0.0 release! Sorry~
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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calumryan petermolnar: could be related to UX London, unsure of anywhere able to host an IWC there. Might Düsseldorf be soonest?
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@benwerd Aside from the #indieweb IRC channels - which I love - where are the most interesting discussion spaces for building respectful software and services, in your opinion? Where are the best conversations happening? It could be IRC, a specific Slack, a mailing list ... hit me! (twitter.com/_/status/959128593312882688)
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benwerd But not too hard
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Loqi benwerd: snarfed left you a message on 2017-12-30 at 6:16pm UTC: hi! when you get a chance, mind counting the total number of valid webmentions hosted known has received that aren't from bridgy? ie source domain isn't [www.]brid.gy or brid-gy.appspot.com. i'm hoping to roughly pinpoint when we hit 1M total wms. not urgent.
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benwerd Good thing it's not urgent because I still haven't done it. It's actually pretty hard. If I could do it all again, I would have kept better metrics.
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@LukasRosenstock @carstenpoetter @GoDaddy @Johannes_Ernst Ja ... ich stecke im Moment leider auch nicht so tief im Thema #IndieWeb drin, hatte vorher viel mit @AppDotNet gemacht und seit es die nicht mehr gibt ist eine neue Seite "under construction". (twitter.com/_/status/959129348866560002)
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@Johannes_Ernst Das muss alles einfacher werden. Z.B. Raspberry Pi kaufen, anschliessen, #indieweb etc fertig, erster Post 5min später. https://twitter.com/lukasrosenstock/status/959129348866560002 (twitter.com/_/status/959152590171721729)
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Zegnat Hmm, isn’t there a WordPress thing for FreedomBox that would basically be that ^^^ ?
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j12t_ Zegnat: last time I talked to the Freedombox people they really weren't into applications, but secure communications.
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Zegnat Yeah, I couldn’t find a FreedomBox based webserver on first try searching either.
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Zegnat But your tweet just seemed to trigger a memory about it.
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j12t Same vision, working on a different part of the elephant :-) But then, with RPi0W at $10, we can afford two boxes :-)
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[keithjgrant] .
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[keithjgrant] @loqi messages?
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[keithjgrant] How do I make that work? I see the message up above
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cweiske [keithjgrant], thanks for all the fixes in omnibear
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aaronpk ooh that might be a bug
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cweiske [keithjgrant], a bug on your site with omnibear
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cweiske I went to https://keithjgrant.com/ and navigated to your 1.0.0 note and replied with omnibear
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Loqi Keith J. Grant
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cweiske it actually detected your homepage as URL
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2018/2018-02-01%20omnibear%20wrong%20url.png
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cweiske the problem with JS site navigation
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aaronpk hm I have a different problem
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aaronpk I go to the home page, click the "introducing sidecar" post and it loads and updates the URL. right click and reply via omnibear shows the correct URL. but then when I hit the back button, the URL changes but I don't get back to the home page
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@DJFalcon23 I'm about to put finishing touches on my first (I think...) tech blog post. I'll link to it when its done. It will be a part of a series of blog post called 'Guardrails', more on that later. #indieweb #dev #Code #STEM #Maker #Focus #Goals #esp8266 (twitter.com/_/status/959166222486130688)
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cweiske navigation with back button works here, but omnibear does not get the correct url
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Zegnat Hmm. Maybe the tab’s onUpdate isn’t fired for history API actions.
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Zegnat Oh, no, that shouldn’t matter, I am thinking of the wrong code.
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cweiske I'm on firefox 58
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sknebel Zegnat: which code gets triggered here?
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Zegnat There is some code that triggers for when a new tab is opened. Also something about bringing a page into focus.
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Zegnat I just can’t instantly recall if any of those are responsible for keeping the URL uptodate and when exactly they are triggered.
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Zegnat Can confirm cweiske’s bug.
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sknebel -> dev
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[keithjgrant] cweiske interesting catch. Yeah, Omnibear catches page navigation, but not history pushState events. I'll find a bug
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[keithjgrant] s/find/file
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[keithjgrant] Basically, every time a page gets focus, or a new one loads, the on-page script sends an event to Omnibear bg script to update the "current url"
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[keithjgrant] It also gets out of sync in pages that were loaded before the extension was installed... But that resolves itself fairly quickly, so I haven't fussed about it
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tantek what is Telegram
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Loqi Telegram is a cross-platform encrypted messaging app https://indieweb.org/Telegram
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tantek Telegram << 2018-02-01 Fast Company: [https://www.fastcompany.com/40525144/apple-pulls-encrypted-messenger-app-telegram-from-the-app-store Apple pulls encrypted messenger app Telegram from the App Store]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-02-01 Fast Company: [https://www.fastcompany.com/40525144/apple-pulls-encrypted-messenger-app-telegram-from-the-app-store Apple pulls encrypted messenger app Telegram from the App Store]" to the "See Also" section of /Telegram
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aaronpk that must be a glitch
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sknebel hm, ban all non-e2e-encrypted messengers since they could police content properly and don't? :P
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sknebel or ban iMessage since by design they can't police content?
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@kakurady @TysonTanX Ah, missed link: https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/959192366505656320)
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@aj100kblog The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/FXTNQH4 #domains #vps #growthhacking #makeyourownlane https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU-8a39W4AAoLk-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/959192429143478273)
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tantek this is a pretty amazing silo-quit article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/quitting-twitter-lindy-west.html
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tantek what is a silo quit
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Loqi silo quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit posting on or using (at all) various silos, either with intended permanence, or temporarily (sometimes referred to as taking a "social media break") https://indieweb.org/silo-quit
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tantek silo-quit << 2018-02-01 Lindy West / New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/quitting-twitter-lindy-west.html I Quit Twitter and It Feels Great] <blockquote>It has been one year and 28 days since my last tweet.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-02-01 Lindy West / New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/quitting-twitter-lindy-west.html I Quit Twitter and It Feels Great] <blockquote>It has been one year and 28 days since my last tweet.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits
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tantek wow re: Twitter fake accounts - some interesting charts / analysis here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/31/technology/social-media-bots-investigations.html
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tantek Twitter << 2018-01-31 New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/31/technology/social-media-bots-investigations.html Twitter Followers Vanish Amid Inquiries Into Fake Accounts] <blockquote>More than a million followers have disappeared from the accounts of dozens of prominent Twitter users in recent days as the company faces growing criticism over the proliferation of fake accounts and scrutiny from federal a
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-01-31 New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/31/technology/social-media-bots-investigations.html Twitter Followers Vanish Amid Inquiries Into Fake Accounts] <blockquote>More than a million followers have disappeared from the accounts of dozens of prominent Twitter users in recent days as the company faces growing criticism over the proliferation of fake accounts and scrutiny from federal a" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter
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tantek state inquiries into the shadowy firms that sell fake followers.</blockquote>
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tantek wow Devumi
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