#indieweb 2018-02-07

2018-02-07 UTC
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@t @Dries thank you and glad to hear it! Being a part of a supportive community (#indieweb) has made it all possible. When you get a chance, looks like my “comment has been queued for review” on your original blog post, perhaps take a look? http://tantek.com/t4so4 (twitter.com/_/status/961080255241965568)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@Dries thank you and glad to hear it! Being a part of a supportive community (#indieweb) has made it all possible. When you get a chance, looks like my “comment has been queued for review” on your original blog post, perhaps take a look?" on 2018-02-07 http://tantek.com/2018/037/t4/comment-queued-for-review
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF! At: 2018-02-07 18:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4sp1 (twitter.com/_/status/961088350013751296)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2018-02-07 http://tantek.com/2018/038/e1/homebrew-website-club
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@Max100KC The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/ZLY1TWN #growthhacking #startup #entrepreneur #leadership https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVahh00WAAENm91.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961133195864543232)
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[hans] That rant about Wordpress’s auto-updates was a great pep talk for me continuing with my static site.
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cweiske [hans], it would be nice if you'd list yourself on /irc-people in the wiki
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[hans] (MediaWiki’s insistence on capitalizing usernames is 🤦 )
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[hans] hivemind: is there an “OwnYourPinboard”? I.e. an obvious choice for turning my Pinboard RSS feed into Micropub bookmark requests?
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cweiske [hans], your IRC nick is hans, but you listed yourself as "gerwitz" on irc-people
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cweiske that way chat.indieweb.org will not be able to link your irc name with your domwin
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cweiske domain
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[hans] Got it, but I wonder how I ended up being `@hans` on the IRC side? I’m hans on Slack.
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cweiske my client shows you as "[hans]"
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cweiske the [] is from the slack bridge
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cweiske why do you think you are @hans?
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[hans] (I’m so introvert, that I grew up on NNTP and avoided IRC)
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[hans] hah, I don’t see any [] here.
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cweiske are you on slack?
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cweiske yes. that's from the bridge software
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[hans] yes, and I see on the IRC web UI, now that it is translating `@gerwitz` to `[hans]`
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Zegnat Yeah, Slack name mentions with @ are converted by the bridge to the IRC names. And IRC names with [] are converted to @ mentions on the way back.
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cweiske oh. mixed realities
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[hans] …but where did my IRC name come from?
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Zegnat If your Slack name is gerwitz and the IRC bridge turned you into hans, that would be ... odd
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cweiske what is your slack name?
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[hans] gerwitz
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cweiske g e r w i t z?
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[hans] +1
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cweiske then it's really strange.
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[hans] indeed!
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Zegnat I thought the Bridge was just straight up using the `username` that Slack sends in its API. Is there a difference on Slack between username and display name? Some chat platforms (like Discord) have that.
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cweiske maybe aaronpk can shed a light on that
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[hans] there’s a “real name” on Slack, which is clearly being parsed for this (mine is “Hans Gerwitz”) … but it’s not used for display
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cweiske or whoever setup the slack bridge
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cweiske https://chat.indieweb.org/2015-02-25/1424888306155000
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Loqi [aaronpk] okay, so... I can bridge freenode and slack so people can join either one and be part of the same conversation
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cweiske it was aaron
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[hans] ah! Slack is a little backwards. The “Real Name” is the API name. And my username is “display name”
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Zegnat Yes, code is here: !tell aaronpk is there a reason you can think of
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Zegnat Here: https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway
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Loqi [aaronpk] Slack-IRC-Gateway: Bridge Slack rooms to IRC channels
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Zegnat Sorry, wrong clipboard.
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Zegnat You can file an issue at that GitHub repo too, if you think you know what is going on, [hans]
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[hans] So far, I’m only more confused. The gateway code seems to be doing the right thing (using user.name rather than user.real_name)
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[hans] ah! of course, Slack API has 4 names 🙄
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[hans] Done. Sorry to all the Americans for the overnight spam 😉 https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway/issues/14
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Loqi [gerwitz] #14 Use Slack
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Zegnat Pff, just ignore time zone problems
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[hans] My life is time zone problems
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[hans] (I literally moved to Europe because it made dealing with PST and IST easier)
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prtksxna feels [hans]' pain
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@switch_company Aujourd'hui en interne on implémente Webmention. Mais pourquoi donc ? 🤔 https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/961161350448910336)
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/recommending-things-for-people-is-a-personal-act-amp-there
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] “Recommending things for people is a personal act, & there are people who are good at it. There are critics. There are blogs. It’s not beneficial to us to turn content recommendations over to an algorithm, especially one that’s been optimized f...
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[prtksxna] kevinmarks I fear a time when there will be different algorithms with differenth _tastes_
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[kevinmarks] That would worry me less, especially if they are posting links on their own sites. To some extent nuzzel can simulate that
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[kevinmarks] It makes a feed for each of your twitter groups
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[kevinmarks] So I have an NHS one: http://nzzl.us/tSu91J6 as well as my main one.
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[prtksxna] I didn’t know about nuzzel, thanks!
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[kevinmarks] It makes pages and email newsletters from your twitter following
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[hans] I consume Twitter primarily via Nuzzle
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[hans] (…and yearn for a meta-nuzzle, that detects new persistent subjects and auto-creates groups)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas !tell hans I have been working on RSS to Micropub intermittently and am stuck now becuase the receiving CMS (Known) refuses to accept a description from Micropub even though it permits a description from the native post creation.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske jeremycherfas, did you open a bug for known?
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jeremycherfas !tell hans I have been working on RSS to Micropub intermittently and am stuck now becuase the receiving CMS (Known) refuses to accept a description from Micropub even though it permits a description from the native post creation.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas I can't honestly remember. I know I've asked more than once on the #knownchat channel to deafening silence. And every time someone -- like me -- says Known development seems to be stalled, the usual suspects insist that it isn't.
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jeremycherfas Sorry about that double post.
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[kevinmarks] What do you mean by description? That's an rss term that can be either summary or content in h-entry terminology.
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jeremycherfas In the context of Known, Description is the label of the main text entry field, in which I could put, for example, a quote from the source I am bookmarking, or some notes about why I am bookmarking it.
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jeremycherfas Cweiske++ for prompting me to open an issue.
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Loqi cweiske has 97 karma in this channel (126 overall)
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Zegnat Known doesn’t really follow h-entry terminology for its post types, [kevinmarks]
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[kevinmarks] But micropub does, no?
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Zegnat Partly. The Known Micropub endpoint has a hard coded mapping of h-entry terms into Known entity properties.
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Zegnat But not all entities accept all h-entry properties, so those just get lost during the mapping.
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jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat for explaining more lucidly than I managed.
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Zegnat has the general working of Known’s micropub endpoint in his head now
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[hans] jeremycherfas what tech stack are you working in? I’m finding myself desiring lots of little services to make my static site more pseudo-dynamic, and thinking I need to combine a few.
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Loqi [hans]: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: I have been working on RSS to Micropub intermittently and am stuck now becuase the receiving CMS (Known) refuses to accept a description from Micropub even though it permits a description from the native post creation.
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Loqi [hans]: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 hour ago: I have been working on RSS to Micropub intermittently and am stuck now becuase the receiving CMS (Known) refuses to accept a description from Micropub even though it permits a description from the native post creation.
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[hans] (before long, I’ll end up with my own barryf -style monolith 😉 )
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jeremycherfas To call what I do a tech stack is a bit excessive, as anyone here will tell you. I have been messing around with PHP to POST to Known, helped along by shpub from cweiske
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[barryf] Hello hans. Monolith? I've got a few different apps!
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[hans] barryf heh, touché. but I think we’re going to need a name for these indieweb-services stacks like Transformative
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[hans] (I don’t *want* to write/assemble my own, but I seem to be alone in doing this with a Middleman site)
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[barryf] My last rewrite started off with a Micropub-to-Jekyll service but I found it too slow for my ~10K posts so turned it into a hybrid dynamic (database cache) and static (files stored in git) site.
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[barryf] But I would like to break out the micropub/auth logic into its own gem for reuse, so your monolith point is valid 🙂
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[hans] Ruby is my comfort zone, so perhaps I will fork, start hacking, and PR if I do anything useful. No promises, yet. 😉
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[barryf] Nice! There are a few rubyists in the community so any further tools/services would be great.
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[hans] At the risk of turning this into #transformative … are you sending webmentions to your content git repo?
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[hans] *received webmentions
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[barryf] Yes. I store the source as an h-cite and the author's h-card. I use `in-reply-to`, `like-of`, `repost-of` or `mention-of` to refer to my original post. https://github.com/barryf/content/
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[kevinmarks] still experimenting with dat - found that there is a general proxy so https://datbase.org/dat://b7930c5e0d55aee8aeb6fa996c8e782e2e9b99b62bf25cab0be7ae195f56a158/contents/index.html is my site mirror
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[kevinmarks] which is interesting
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/940950267414986754
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@anildash Put simply, most online publishers are like Uber drivers, with Google & Facebook as the dispatching app that chooses when they get a customer and how much they get paid from that customer. (twitter.com/_/status/940950267414986754)
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notabene clever
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aaronpk ah I missed that thing about the slack api change
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aaronpk thanks for catching it
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dgold >record scratch< what did they change with the api?
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aaronpk https://api.slack.com/changelog/2017-09-the-one-about-usernames
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dgold for the love of the gods, could they not write without the smart-arsedness.
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dgold "As fellow developers, we know you'll have some feelings about the sunset of @username considering its historical significance in computing, networking, and digital identity. From mainframes to UNIX to BBSes to IRC, maybe you've used the same name for what seems like centuries."
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dgold wishes the writer of that piece a nice long walk, off a very short pier. preferably with shoes made of concrete
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[hans] #brandingtoohard
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dgold ok, I've read that thing twice now. I am no more enlightened now than I was at the outset.
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aaronpk it's a bit in the weeds
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aaronpk I do actually remember reading it when it was published but had the same reaction
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aaronpk but now actually dealing with the code it makes sense
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[hans] isn’t documentation supposed to work the other way ’round?
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Zegnat Changelogs haven't been clear in a long time. Every since people thought they had to be either funny or full fledged blogposts
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dgold i think it was slack had a changelog on ios yesterday that said their changenotes were in the glovebox on the falcon heavy
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Zegnat Tweet that at Musk and ask how they encounter for the extra weight.
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[kevinmarks] Slack is usually good at writing change logs
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[gerwitz] Does anyone POSSE visual bookmarks? (Tumblr, Pinterest)
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[gerwitz] ah, I mean PESOS!
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[gerwitz] dammit
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[gerwitz] I used to client-side syndicate Tumblr “findings” but I’d feel…icky about copying media I didn’t author into my content store.
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Zegnat This is a good read on that topic, I think: https://petermolnar.net/making-things-private/
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] Content, bloat, privacy, archives
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Zegnat What is pasta?
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Loqi PASTA is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Anywhere, Save To (private) Archive, the practice of automatically saving a copy of whatever you post on (social media) silos to someplace else under your own control, like a private directory on your own server, or a local folder on your laptop that is less vulnerable to site-death https://indieweb.org/PASTA
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Zegnat There is that too, maybe.
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sknebel tumblr also has an embedding API
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[gerwitz] I was using that embedding API, but when it recently glitched decided to re-think this.
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Zegnat I wondered if I wanted to provide oembed from my blog. Just so people can do things like reblogging without worrying about the rights.
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dgold wouldn't that be a DRY violation, though?
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[kevinmarks] I made an oembed for my sharing hacking post
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[kevinmarks] http://www.kevinmarks.com/partialsilos.html
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Loqi Decaying Silos as dead malls 2018-01-20
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[kevinmarks] http://www.kevinmarks.com/siloembed.json
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dgold how does one do an oembed, [kevinmarks] ?
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dgold can it be done programatically based on file content?
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tantek dgold it's certainly not a user thing
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tantek maybe someone in #indieweb-dev would know?
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[kevinmarks] It's a json file, linked with a rel-alternate https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/commit/69953d33638efc2af4f24bef1680099185268e61
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tantek nudges [kevinmarks] to [#dev]
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Loqi [superfeedr] "going to Homebrew Website Club SF tonight 18:30 @MozSF! Come see the latest famous spokesperson for the #indieweb: “Pick the right domain name … tell the world your vision” (might have seen during #Superbowl, not #JackRyan) https://indieweb.org/events/2018-02-07-homebrew-website-club" on 2018-02-07 http://tantek.com/2018/038/t2/going-homebrew-website-club-sf
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@t going to Homebrew Website Club SF tonight 18:30 @MozSF! Come see the latest famous spokesperson for the #indieweb: “Pick the right domain name … tell the world your vision” (might have seen during #Superbowl, not #JackRyan) https://indieweb.org/events/2018-02-07-homebrew-website-club http://tantek.com/t4sp2 (twitter.com/_/status/961308748793958405)
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tantek I'm wondering if invitations to an event via Twitter @mentions would be as (more?) effective than FB event invitations
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tantek which do you think people check more (often)? their Twitter @-mentions or their FB event invitations?
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aaronpk I get easily annoyed at twitter event invitations unless it's actually a personal note written to me
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aaronpk it's too easy for that to look spammy tho
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tantek you mean if they @-mention you?
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tantek which scenario looks spammy to you?
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aaronpk yeah @-mentions on twitter inviting to events
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aaronpk it's hard to make it seem legit
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tantek I guess I should look for examples
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to &#8220;To PESOS or to POSSE?&#8221; by Dries Buytaert" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-02-07 http://boffosocko.com/2018/02/07/reply-to-to-pesos-or-to-posse-by-dries-buytaert/
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb
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snarfed hi tantek!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Social media responses on a Jekyll site using webmentions" by James Dinsdale on 2018-02-07 https://medium.com/@molovo/social-media-responses-on-a-jekyll-site-using-webmentions-7b6e6e6aa458?source=rss-------1
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/roundtrip/status/961270369700204544?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3
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@roundtrip “Facebook is essentially running a payola scam where you have to pay them if you want your own fans to see your content... not only is the website not getting ad revenue they used to get, they have to pay Facebook to push it out to their own subscribers.” +++ interview https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/961165059207475201 (twitter.com/_/status/961270369700204544)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "ekaitz_zarraga shared a status by maslow@queer.party" on 2018-02-07 https://mastodon.social/@ekaitz_zarraga/99486385378744594
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@johankj @barryf I’ve been looking into microblogs and IndieWeb, and I gotta say that Transformative looks really nice. :) Wish it was a mature platform I could just plug'n'play'n'forget. What’s the license for it? (twitter.com/_/status/961369461222727680)
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@kevinmarks “this generation's "what's your sign" pick-up question is already "where's your home page." And what's the point of having a home page you can't illuminate with… an audio clip of the latest cut by your band?” - @jpbarlow https://w2.eff.org/Misc/Publications/John_Perry_Barlow/HTML/death_from_above.html #ripBarlow #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/961377646251683840)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“this generation's &quot;what's your sign&quot; pick-up question is already &quot;where's your home page.&quot; And what's the point of having a home page you can't illuminate" by Kevin Marks on 2018-02-07 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/this-generations-quotwhats-your-signquot-pick-up-question-is-already-quotwheres
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@kevinmarks “this generation's "what's your sign" pick-up question is already "where's your home page." And what's the point of having a home page you can't illuminate with… an audio clip of the latest cut by your band?” - @jpbarlow https://w2.eff.org/Misc/Publications/John_Perry_Barlow/HTML/death_from_above.html #ripBarlow #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/961377929618862081)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Thanks Chris for expanding on Dries' super-welcome post about using Drupal to participate in the independent web first, and push to locked-down privatized pieces of" by benjamin melançon on 2018-02-07 https://mlncn.withknown.com/2018/thanks-chris-for-expanding-on-dries-super-welcome-post-about-using