#indieweb 2018-02-08

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KartikPrabhu ha! empty <a> as webmention spam? https://mlncn.withknown.com/2018/thanks-chris-for-expanding-on-dries-super-welcome-post-about-using
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Loqi [benjamin melançon] Thanks Chris for expanding on Dries' super-welcome post about using Drupal to participate in the independent web first, and push to locked-down privatized pieces of the Internet like Facebook, Twitter, et. al. secondarily! I'm sure you didn't mean i...
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mlncn hehe, yeah!
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KartikPrabhu basically <a href="example.com"></a>
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KartikPrabhu mlncn: nice catch!
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KartikPrabhu mlncn++
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Loqi mlncn has 2 karma
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mlncn it caught me!
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KartikPrabhu I wonder if that counts as spam/bad practice and should be discouraged while processing mentions? discuss all
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KartikPrabhu i suppose you can always hide it by CSS
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aaronpk what's the problem?
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mlncn Yeah, it's not really stoppable, and no worse than an unwanted mention, probably. But still it was weird to have to view source to figure out why i was 'mentioned'
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mlncn (in this case it was a wanted mention, just... there wasn't really actually a mention!)
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aaronpk oh did you link to yourself?
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mlncn aaronpk: no, Chris Aldrich (boffosocko) had a link to me in his post, but the link was an empty a tag, <a href="example.com"></a> to use KartikPrabhu's example
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aaronpk oh, rtfp aaronpk
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mlncn hehe
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aaronpk funny, I wonder why he did that
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mlncn Very likely research and links that *almost* made it into the article
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KartikPrabhu yeah that sounds like an editing error
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[colinwalker] or he set it all up and forgot to add the link text
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mlncn But his WordPress site is giving "<b>Warning</b>: in_array() expects parameter 2 to be array, string given in <b>/homepages/32/d491429024/htdocs/boffoblog/wp-content/plugins/semantic-linkbacks/includes/class-linkbacks-mf2-handler.php</b> on line <b>266</b><br />" when i try to submit my webmention, so he may never know to answer me!
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GWG mlncn, can you open an issue for that on the Semantic Linkbacks GitHub page with all the details?
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mlncn GWG: sure...
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GWG mlncn, appreciate it.
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GWG We all try to make things bet
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GWG bet5
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GWG better
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GWG Sorry, tired
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mlncn GWG: which repo, pfefferle or acegiak?
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GWG pfefferle
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mlncn ok
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GWG Acegiak is, oddly enough, not the primary
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mlncn Done! https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/155
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Loqi [mlncn] #155 in_array expects parameter 2 to be an array, string given in comment-by-submitting-URL webmention attempt
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tantek odd because an explicit cc: would make more sense
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tantek re: empty a tag
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@sdepolo For my #NewwwYear challenge, I started "publishing first" here on my WordPress blog, on my own domain that I own, and syndicating those comments out to my various social profiles. In this post I share why this is so hard, and worth it. (http://www.staceydepolo.com/indieweb/an-indieweb-journey-newwwyear/) (twitter.com/_/status/961418274675314689)
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KartikPrabhu sdepolo++
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Loqi sdepolo has 6 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Return of the Decentralized Web" by Mark Krynsky on 2018-02-07 https://medium.com/@krynsky/return-of-the-decentralized-web-425a8dfbdde1?source=rss------open_source-5
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Return of the Decentralized Web" by Mark Krynsky on 2018-02-08 http://lifestreamblog.com/return-of-the-decentralized-web/
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[sdepolo] Hello from Homebrew Website Club San Francisco, there’s 4 of us here. Introductions coming. Calling out that this is my first one where women outnumber men. ♀
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GWG [sdepolo]: That's a good stat.
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[sdepolo] Intros: [tantek] set up a tip link, which takes you to a page where you can leave a tip.using venmo, paypal, square.
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[sdepolo] It was a simple one page html, easy to copy paste, which he invites. See 👏 emoji on tantek.com
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[sdepolo] Dana says hi, her site is legitimancy.neocities.org, she uses hugo static site generator. She’s been building an app to learn react, too.
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[sdepolo] Dana shows her site off and says minor beautification is ahead. She’s been looking around the wiki but hasn’t used any of the building blocks yet.
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tantek (shows a new primary image on home page with each refresh)
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[sdepolo] [michellejl] is visiting from Portland. MicheleJL.com is her site.
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[sdepolo] She’s stripping all the tech from her site and using a static site generator so she can focus on content. Lots of placeholder pixels she’s building out.
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tantek "I want to keep the technology simple so I can focus on the content"
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[sdepolo] Showing off her site, she is really close to having all of her blog moved over and close to pushing the change.
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[sdepolo] Previously it was in a custom node app.
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tantek Stacey DePolo - has been coming to HWC much longer than she's been doing, finally getting to the doing
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tantek trying to get GoDaddy to embrace indieweb more broadly
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tantek got a blog post on the company blog a couple of weeks ago
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tantek as part of a series
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tantek starting to get back into building
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tantek main job at GoDaddy is social media, part of why it's so hard to wean herself from social web
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tantek started looking at her early work on the web, in archive.org
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tantek It's almost like breaking an addiction
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tantek features of the social networks, she's an advanced user of, so somewhat addicted to. like tagging of other users
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tantek has had writers block on making the shift
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tantek was inspired to just let it go and post
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tantek and she shipped a post before coming today
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tantek staceydepolo.com
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tantek recent post: http://www.staceydepolo.com/indieweb/an-indieweb-journey-newwwyear/
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Loqi [admin] Join Me on an #IndieWeb Journey for the #NewwwYear
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tantek also had a good conversation with her friend Chris Carlsson about indieweb
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tantek hopes to get him here to stimulate more conversations
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tantek she POSSEs to Twitter
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tantek and to her Facebook *page*
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tantek facebook.com/socialStacey
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tantek so that people could see it even when logged out
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tantek Stacey often gets the question - where is the market demand for this?
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tantek segue to ...
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[sdepolo] one of the things [tantek] put in his teaser post about tonight that we’d meet a famous person. Showed Squarespace Keanu Reeves Superbowl commercial.
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[sdepolo] Messaging for that commercial conveys the vision of indieweb without mentioning the words. It focusses on content.
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[sdepolo] Discussion, what does it mean to be part of indieweb? If it’s good enough as a starting point to be publishing first on your own site, whether or not you use indieweb building blocks. [tantek] says that’s a legit way to start.
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[sdepolo] [michellejl] is trying to get her coding school to include indieweb techniques instead of advocating that developers copy/paste their blogs and work on social sites.
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[sdepolo] [tantek] shows how the founder of Drupal has a post detailing his work implementing POSSE that Tantek commented on from his own site, which showed up on the post as well as Twitter, showing up on his site first.
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[sdepolo] Social web working group has now finished it’s work at W3C, having produced seven recommendations, and four notes. It is now closed, and lots of indieweb work is now official in W3C.
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[sdepolo] 2017 review is being compiled on a wiki page at Indieweb.org, you’re welcome to add to, along with your picture. Find it on the “what” section of today’s HWC SF page.
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[sdepolo] [michellejl] asks if the starter kit she is thinking of building would be useful. [tantek] shows the Hugo page on the wiki and encourages her to jump on the dev channel to ask what would be most useful.
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tantek CMS count at tonights HWC SF: 2 Hugo, 1 WordPress, 1 personal (Falcon)
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[sdepolo] [michellejl] is finding that making tutorials for herself so if she lags on getting back into it she doesn’t have to learn it all over again. Since she’s doing that she’ll clean it up and offer it as a starter kit for others.
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[sdepolo] When you install Hugo there is no default theme, so if she develops something with no formatting but with the basic functions desired by most for indieweb, it will have value for others.
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tantek noted: https://indieweb.org/Hugo
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tantek like this wiki page /Hugo
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[sdepolo] [tantek] taught me a shortcut for referencing pages on the wiki with short code of /. Trying it with the page I made: /GoDaddy
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tantek Michelle noted that when she went to the channel archives on the web, at first what it showed look totally empty
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tantek (maybe because of UTC default timezone and showing "joins" ?)
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tantek e.g. going to dev is empty
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tantek https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-08#bottom
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tantek (because all it is showing is joins since 16:00 PST)
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[sdepolo] [michellejl] tried the chat log and when she goes to the various channels they only show who’s joined. [tantek] says that’s good feedback.
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tantek (prev button is too hidden)
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tantek (should be in the center top just like the narrow view)
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tantek (perhaps we should hide "... joined the channel" by default?
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tantek )
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ chat log usability improvement suggestions
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tantek Stacey noticed that when using the Web UI to the chat archives to join, it "works" but leaves up the red "Connecting..." overlay
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tantek so it looks like it is stalling
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aaronpk ooh weird also funny about the timezone issue!
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aaronpk 4/5pm is an awkward cutoff time in Pacific
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[sdepolo] dates of the IndieWeb summit announced. June 26-27 see /2018/Planning
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tantek photo taken and we're wrapping up
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for sharing folks! So awesome and fun to hear about what’s going on up in SF.
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[cleverdevil] Also happy to see what [sdepolo] is doing at GoDaddy! Until recently I was doing a lot of advocacy as a DreamHost team member. More hosting companies need to jump on the IndieWeb.
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@aj100kblog The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/JUAKL2X #domains #leancanvas https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVf0U5SXUAAjnrP.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961505696109006848)
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[gerwitz] Data point: I don’t use the Facebook app on my phone, but I do use the “Local” event app. Facebook is for events. Twitter is for conversations.
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cweiske oh, you're "gerwitz" now in irc
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[gerwitz] Indeed I am. [aaron_pk] “fixed” it by adapting to Slack’s nonsense.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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@meljreedlive Boom Riot Girl Ep 2. You know the drill. https://youtu.be/jOSD1ArawSE #follow #indieweb #actor #riotgirl #strongwomen #actress #actorslife https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVgoHkkU0AAtnOC.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961562644430782466)
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@kevinmarks @developerjack don't blame the web for terrible design choices by sites. You coudl try my 'get me the amp version' bookmarklet: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-7-to-amp-or-not-to-amp-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/961566758548189184)
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@ronguest @jimhaselmaier Its at http://Ron.theguests.us. Just now have it functioning and going the IndieWeb and Micro blog route. More work to do. (twitter.com/_/status/961574617881153536)
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@alab_AMS Scheduled for: 11:46am · 8 Feb 2018 Join us for the next @indiewebcamp #Meetup on how to create your own website. See you on Feb 14 at 6.30 pm, LAB.004! More info: https://goo.gl/G5E5fq https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVgaBySX4AAK7Am.png (twitter.com/_/status/961577858572410883)
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[gerwitz] …valentine’s day?
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[gerwitz] my wife is geeky, but not *that* geeky
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@frankmeeuwsen @fabiobruna De hele koppeling met Webmentions is sowieso nog een black box voor me. Zou ik graag eens op een Homebrew Website Club onder de loep willen nemen. (twitter.com/_/status/961593508565082117)
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jjuran > GET AMP
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Zegnat Just bring her along [gerwitz]
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@alab_AMS Join us for the next @indiewebcamp #Meetup on how to create your own website. See you on Feb 14 at 6.30 pm, LAB.004! More info: http://goo.gl/G5E5fq https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVhH0jeW0AMBweW.png (twitter.com/_/status/961597496060497921)
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[gerwitz] …not *that* geeky
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Why I cannot post bookmarks to Known automatically | Jeremy Cherfas" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-02-08 https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/why-i-cannot-post-bookmarks-to-known-automatically
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@krynsky Return of the Decentralized Web with appearances from @IPFSbot @SolidMit @indiewebcamp @blockchain and more... https://medium.com/@krynsky/return-of-the-decentralized-web-425a8dfbdde1 (twitter.com/_/status/961631900786860032)
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[gerwitz] When I republish e.g. a past tweet as a note entry, should that be a `syndication` or a `repost-of`?
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[gerwitz] (Where I am the author of both and consider Twitter the canonical)
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[xavierroy] Any one has tried this out: https://wordpress.org/plugins/amazon-polly/
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Loqi [AWS Labs, WP Engine] Description Amazon Polly is a service that turns text into lifelike speech. With dozens of voices across a variety of languages, you can select the ideal voice and build engaging speech-enabled applications that work in many different countries. The...
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@JmacDotOrg May sink a lot of today into exploring https://indieweb.org, discovered via @chipotlecoyote. Any other fans (or detractors) among y’all? (twitter.com/_/status/961646628078841856)
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Zegnat [gerwitz], good question. IF you are republishing it under a new date I would say repost, else it is a syndication. Probably.
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@chipotlecoyote @JmacDotOrg It's pretty neat stuff. (I keep thinking about writing an entirely new blogging platform based entirely on Indieweb principles, but…let's be honest, I probably won't.) (twitter.com/_/status/961654359233736705)
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@martijnvdven @alab_AMS The event page links to the wrong IndieWeb wiki event page, it points to last month’s HWC. (twitter.com/_/status/961655693899173888)
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[gerwitz] @zegnat same date, so I think it’s syndication. I’m surprised how unclear this is…the IWC wiki is very POSSE biased 😉
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Zegnat We really are ;)
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Zegnat Actually, it wouldn’t surprise me if people just haven’t asked the question because they treat any backfilled data as new canonical data.
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Zegnat What is backfill?
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Loqi backfill is the action of importing all your past posts, typically from a social media silo, into your own site https://indieweb.org/backfill
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snarfed yup, that
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snarfed often the implicit expectation here is, if you're sophisticated enough to be authoring microformats yourself, you want to try hard to consider your own site canonical in general, not a silo
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[gerwitz] I defy this expectation 😄
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Zegnat I like people who defy expectations :P
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Zegnat Oof, I hope the anecdote about kids and URLs in here isn’t representative: https://ia.net/topics/take-the-power-back/
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chrisaldrich I'm in snarfed's camp, and even more so for silos that aren't openly crawl-able and/or which don't advertise themselves as canonical anyway.
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@jackjamieson Yarns Indie Reader — I'm building an indie feed reader for WordPress: http://jackjamieson.net/yarns-indie-reader/ #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVh_VFnU0AAigKJ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961658523426832384)
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chrisaldrich I think Medium is one of the few silos that actually uses the microformat rel-canonical, isn't it?
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sknebel chrisaldrich: if you import a post to medium from another blog they set rel=canonical to that
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tantek is that documented on /Medium ?
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sknebel Twitter links to itself in rel=canonical
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tantek what is rel-canonical
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Loqi rel=canonical is a way to indicate that a hyperlink links to the original and canonical version of the current page https://indieweb.org/rel-canonical
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tantek perhaps check there for examples, and add more that you know of with URLs where you can view source and see the rel=canonical?
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chrisaldrich What is Yarns Indie Reader?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Yarns Indie Reader" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Yarns Indie Reader is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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snarfed aaronpk: yarns sounds like a candidate for microsub evangelism
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KartikPrabhu chrisaldrich: just saw your fragmention/fragmentioner post. Seems like fragmentioner is not working for you. Let me know if I can help debug. I admit the frgmentioner code was hastily put together
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chrisaldrich Thanks KartikPrabhu, It was working for a while, but I ill-advisedly tried to tinker with too much last week while I was on heavy cold medicine. Hopefully should bring it back this week sometime.
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chrisaldrich snarfed: I was thinking the same thing...
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KartikPrabhu chrisaldrich: sure! let me know. I should have a more cleaned up code that I'll put up on github if I find the time soon
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jmac1 Hi all. I just discovered IWC. I have no idea what any of it is yet. That was me tweeting about it at 12:03 Eastern time, per this channel's back scroll. I'll be back here absorbing but I thought I'd wave.
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KartikPrabhu welcome jmac1
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[miklb] O_/
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jackjamieson Hi IndieWeb
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KartikPrabhu hello jackjamieson
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jackjamieson chrisaldrich: Thanks for creating a wiki page for my yarns reader
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chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu: I also noticed you had a slightly more integrated version of the code on your own site that had a few additional niceties.
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chrisaldrich jackjamieson++ for /Yarn
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Loqi jackjamieson has 1 karma
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chrisaldrich jackjamieson Congrats on what looks like an awesome tool! I can't wait to try it out.
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KartikPrabhu chrisaldrich: yes that was the cleanup I was talking about. hopefully I'll get around to updating it
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chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu, just be careful not to transclude images linked to on your site as most may not think to load it locally otherwise. ;)
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jackjamieson chrisaldrich Thanks! If you have any suggestions or comments I'd love to hear them
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KartikPrabhu chrisaldrich: oh! Have I done that?
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chrisaldrich I also noticed that the example Metamorphosis page you used had two different versions of the code hiding in the page source as well. I suspect you were doing some tests and left both in?
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KartikPrabhu I usually have a separate code base for my own site
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chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu, I don't think you did on your own, but just in case....
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KartikPrabhu oh ok :P
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chrisaldrich jackjamieson, I'm happy to give feed back and ideas, as I suspect others will too. I suspect GWG and miklb will love it.
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chrisaldrich if you haven't come across the projects /Together or /Indigenous in the last two months, those may be worth looking at as interesting /readers too.
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chrisaldrich jackjamieson: aaronpk also has a new /Microsub project in the past 6 months that might reduce some of the heavy lifting for you as well.
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[eddie] jackjamieson: I built /Indigenous so I’m familar with /Microsub stuff if you have any questions about it
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jackjamieson Great :) Thanks everyone
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jackjamieson I'm just reading up about microsub now. It seems like it can address some of parts I've been struggling with
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[eddie] That’s awesome. What things have you been finding a struggle?
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jackjamieson At the moment, I've had some trouble with inconsistent h-feed structures between different sites. e.g. I can successfully get syndication links from known sites, aaronpk's site, and others, but they don't come through when I subscribe to tantek's site
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snarfed jackjamieson: many sites only include syndication links in individual post pages, not in feeds
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[eddie] Yep, what snarfed said. I personally don’t put a lot of information in my h-feed. Where as the individual posts have all the details
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jackjamieson Ah, that makes sense. In that case it makes sense for me to just take what's in the feed, then it's the author's choice
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snarfed or you can fetch each item's permalink. that's what bridgy does.
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snarfed getting into #indieweb-dev territory, feel free to join us there
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jackjamieson heading to dev then :)
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dgold is there a single point on the wiki with a list of active users current sites?
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Zegnat Not really, /irc-people is a thing of course
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://jackjamieson.net/yarns-indie-reader/ (from http://boffosocko.com/2018/02/08/yarns-indie-reader/)
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jmac So, I'm just starting to wade into this, using my own extant website. Regarding rel="me", as checked by e.g. https://indiewebify.me, is the concept of link-banks just flat-out broken on Twitter now coz of how they redirect all outgoing links through t.co?
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snarfed linkbacks?
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snarfed not at all. code and people follow redirects, and twitter renders the destination link, not the t.co link, so t.co is mostly transparent
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jmac Beg pardon, I'm still figuring this out. I'm following the "Getting started" links from indieweb.org, which lead me to https://indiewebify.me/, which advise me that my website's twitter link, while present, doesn't link back to my website. And... I'm not sure what it's looking for, since it totally does link back, albeit via t.co.
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snarfed jmac: what's your web site
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snarfed ?
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snarfed (fwiw i tried indiewebify with https://snarfed.org/ just now and it says twitter is ok for me)
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Loqi Ryan Barrett
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jmac snarfed: http://jmac.org
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snarfed maybe you're hitting https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/70 ?
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Loqi [jernst] #70 Twitter and Facebook "doesn't link back" when checking upon2020.com
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jmac It's possible!
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snarfed try changing your site's http://twitter.com/jmacdotorg link to https?
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jmac Setting up https for this website is a few yaks downstream from my current position.
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snarfed no, sorry, the link to twitter. not your site.
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jmac Ah! Thanks. No luck though
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[kevinmarks] "Will RSS get a hipster comeback, too? Hardly. But we need something spidery that connects blogs"
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jmac I have noticed the tester on indieauth.com, and *it* thinks I'm good, so I'm gonna call this Good Enough
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Zegnat There have been fringe issues with Indiewebify.me, I think. If IndieAuth gets the rel-me right, it is probably good to go.
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jmac Whooaaaa I am seeing y'all's examples of pulling in blog-post replies from Twitter / Facebook and displaying it on your posts' webpages. This is a trick I've been lamely faking for a while on my own blog. I had no idea there was a whole community doing it for real
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jmac I put my blog on a separate domain from my "identity" website last year, just coz it sounded cool, and I find myself hoping that's not somehow doing it wrong for IndieWeb tech purposes
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[miklb] yep. I have a post today that fed to Twitter & micro.blog and have replies from both platforms as comments in WP site. It still feels magical.
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[miklb] jmac I’ve struggled with that identity issue myself. I’m still not 100% sure how I want to proceed, despite at one point thinking I had it figured out
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sknebel jmac: a bunch of us have different blogs and/or sites, tools should handle that just fine
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jmac Honestly I just wanted to give my blog a title besides "jmac's blog" and kicking it into its own domain felt necessary. (And it still does)
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jmac sknebel: cool
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jmac Is there a primer about how to get that twitter/facebook/etc comment-magic working? (Is it just "here, use this wordpress theme"?)
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jmac Assume I am a nerd with his own yet-another static site generator and that I can do whatever
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snarfed jmac: yes! https://brid.gy/
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jmac rockin
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[kevinmarks] Twitter ad on their own reply problem https://twitter.com/TwitterUK/status/958655038435528705
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@TwitterUK Mute Words On Twitter #NotRightNow https://twitter.com/TwitterUK/status/958655038435528705/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/958655038435528705)
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KartikPrabhu judas priest!
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KartikPrabhu that's like trying to dig yourself out of a ditch
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KartikPrabhu is this only for UK users?
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gRegorLove No, I think there's been mute for a little while on Twitter
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gRegorLove what is mute?
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Loqi mute is the ability to hide posts in your reader from specific publishers https://indieweb.org/mute
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sknebel yes, muting words has been around for a while
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aaronpk just funny they're running an ad for it
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gRegorLove "We know our product is so annoying sometimes..."
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Kongaloosh Un Question: when are the SFO meetups in April?
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gRegorLove 4th and 18th if the bi-weekly schedule continues
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Kongaloosh \o/ ta
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gRegorLove Interesting criticism of uploading original artwork to Twitter: third-party publishers can then legally embed your content without paying you https://twitter.com/beesmygod/status/961503414042570757
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@beesmygod I Make No Money Off My Twitter Posts But Journalists Have Figured Out How To Profit Off Of My Labor For Free https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVfv_uSUMAAlylp.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961503414042570757)
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gRegorLove Larger versions of the images in follow-up tweets
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jjuran Tweet the first page of a comic and link back to your own site for the whole thing?
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gRegorLove Sounds like a good option.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah I think that is in almost every silo "agreement" that one agrees to while signing up
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[sdepolo] [tantek] just heard we can get the next indieweb post on GoDaddy blog much faster than expected if we can get a complete post ready by Monday. Is that possible? It’d be swell if you could riff on the ‘anyone who publishes first on their own site is taking a step towards indieweb’ theme. LMK if we can pull it off.
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[tantek] [sdepolo] that sounds like a great theme!
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[sdepolo] [tantek] if we get it by Monday we can have it publish by 2/21 in time for the next HWC
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[tantek] That’s a good question (if we can get it by Monday)
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[tantek] is so far behind ok posts
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[sdepolo] should I ask [benatwork]?
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jmac I have read about IndieWeb all day... brain full now. thank you, good work everyone
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jmac I feel a little mad that I didn't know all this already and was lamely trying to reinvent it by myself, but better late than never
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jmac Early this morning I noticed a webmentions form on an acquaintance's blog and I said "Huh, what's this" and that was my day lost
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@JmacDotOrg All day reading about @indiewebcamp tech. Brain full. Lots to process &amp; play with. Immediate thought: This isn’t for everyone. “Siloed” social media is good coz anyone can jump on in! But if you want to treat your online writing like a publication, zine-like, yeah you need more. (twitter.com/_/status/961746682479284225)
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KartikPrabhu jmac: this isn't for everyone **yet**
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jmac For today, it's enough that it's for me. Maybe. :)
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gRegorLove Hey jmac, (belated) welcome.
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gRegorLove What is generations?
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Loqi Generations in the context of the IndieWeb refer to clusters of potential IndieWeb adopters in a series of waves that are expected to naturally adopt the IndieWeb for themselves and then help inform the next generation https://indieweb.org/generations
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[kevinmarks] We need loqi for twitter https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/961669802782699521
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@sarahjeong one does not simply walk into a Google data center (twitter.com/_/status/961669802782699521)
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