#indieweb 2018-02-09

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aaronpk oh no lol
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aaronpk I used to do that back when twitter was way smaller http://cybersanta.pin13.net/
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gRegorLove Related: plusplusbot.com
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gRegorLove Surprised that site is still up actually.
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gRegorLove Last decrement "about 3015 days ago"
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gRegorLove aaronpk, looks like you lost the cybersanta tumblr linked in the twitter bio
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aaronpk dammit tumblr
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[sdepolo] Ben said he’d do it, so let’s take him up on this now and work you in on the next post. We should have much more lead time next slot.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Been in a dev rut, so to break out going to see how quickly I can go from 0 to live #indieweb site sending/receiving webmentions with @eleven_ty. Since it supports liquid, I can use my work from jekyll-indieweb as a heads start https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb" by Michael Bishop on 2018-02-09 https://miklb.com/blog/2018/02/09/3409/
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@miklb Been in a dev rut, so to break out going to see how quickly I can go from 0 to live #indieweb site sending/receiving webmentions with @eleven_ty. Since it supports liquid, I can use my work from jekyll-indieweb as a heads start https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/961783010604605441)
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[miklb] can a reply have multiple in-reply to URLs? I’m assuming so, but this is my first time encountering the desire to do it
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aaronpk There's at least a few examples of that
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[miklb] there’s not a UI for it in the WordPress post-kinds plugin, but I got a reply from Twitter and a reply from micro.blog & wanted to respond in a single reply, if possible.
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[miklb] but still not 100% sure how that would work. If I @-mention both in the reply, there’s no context for the other person
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[miklb] might have talked himself out of doing it
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[miklb] but if they were just comments on my site, I wouldn’t have hesitated since there would be context of both similar replies with different suggestions.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A better way to subscribe to or follow sites on the open web" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-02-09 http://boffosocko.com/2018/02/08/a-better-way-to-subscribe-to-and-follow-sites-on-the-open-web/
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@ChrisAldrich A better way to subscribe to or follow sites on the open web #feedreaders #RSS #IndieWeb #Microsub #hfeed #subtome http://boffosocko.com/2018/02/08/a-better-way-to-subscribe-to-and-follow-sites-on-the-open-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/961794239163068416)
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chrisaldrich miklb, some CMSes do better than others to provide reply contexts, some really do none at all. I'm sure I've done something similar somewhere but I can't find the example now.
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chrisaldrich I think I did more context for the better one and then added another smaller context via hand with similar mark up to what Post Kinds has so they looked similar. u-in-reply-to on the second seemed to have done the trick.
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[miklb] chrisaldrich it’s also around this time I think about hooking bridgy up to the webmention in comments so could reply to each in nest replies
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GWG Multireply I would do, but I am not motivated to do multi kind
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chrisaldrich In practice there's typically a way around multi-kind, I've only run against multi-reply once or twice.
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chrisaldrich Often I'll write a reply that goes longer than a few paragraphs and usually at that point it always seems better to make the whole thing an article and write a reply to the original with a link to the article. :)
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GWG chrisaldrich, I have seen you write some very detailed replies.
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chrisaldrich I've been trying not to do that as much to help make the content a bit more "evergreen", particularly when it's a reply that will likely apply to someone else further down the line.
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chrisaldrich Loqi's last notice above was exactly such a "reply" that turned into an article. You'll notice I threw in a line of context and added a u-in-reply-to one of the links to cover the necessitating case.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-09.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@Max100KC The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/7DIPXNI #leadership #leanstartup https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVkwKyAVQAAzAMM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/961852970986975232)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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cweiske hi
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[gerwitz] I think the tension between “but the silos aren’t crawlable” and “I don’t care about indexers” is ine f my favorite things about this community. (seriously)
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Zegnat [gerwitz], I guess it depends on what you mean with “I don’t care about indexers”. I feel a lot of people are of the mind that they shouldn’t have to do extra work to please any specific indexers, the fact they are publishing accessible (semantic) HTML should suffice. It is then up to indexers to do their job. People like getting indexed though.
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petermolnar interesting point though: I got rid of twitter meta, open graph meta, dublin core meta, etc. a little while ago for two reasons: a, I follow mf2; b, author, description, and keywords, meta should be sufficient for any crawler as basic meta, shouldn't it?
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@sl007 @OKNRW @derarndt Sicher nicht. Wart ihr beim Campfire Festival? Ich persönlich habe es dort intensiv mit einem IndieWebCamp versucht. Das Festival hatte quasi 0 Besucher, ich aber habe nun 1.000 € Schulden. Seien wir ehrlich, denn ihr schaut ja sicher auch extra3 oder heute show ;) (twitter.com/_/status/961896683943682048)
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Zegnat petermolnar, that’s what I think too. I find it weird how people scramble to support whatever meta tags an indexer dreams up all the time. Indexers (especially search engines) will always implement the semantics used by the majority anyway, otherwise they will fail as an indexer. But that’s just my opinion on the matter.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Nice to see Stacey De Polo set off on her exploration of things #indieweb, but I find it hard to image that as of my" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-02-09 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/nice-to-see-stacey-de-polo-set-off-on-her
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[kevinmarks] That was the joke of my http://www.kevinmarks.com/partialsilos.html post
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Loqi Decaying Silos as dead malls 2018-01-20
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petermolnar [kevinmarks] I looked at oembed yesterday, that's incredibly ugly
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petermolnar also no support for static sites at all
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petermolnar given it needs to support and respect passed size parameters
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[kevinmarks] Yes, that is static
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petermolnar in theory, the correct response to the main request is to serve the json, and to anything with params should be 501 not implemented, and then no one could say it's not following recommendations
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[kevinmarks] Insofar as sites support it, they cope with varying sizes.
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[kevinmarks] Does anything other than slack still use oembed?
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cweiske wordpress
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Zegnat I was thinking of adding oembed to my blog to enable other people to do reposts. As in: I own the content on my blog and I do not just want people to go republishing it, but I can allow them to embed my content as served by my site if they want to repost.
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Zegnat That is providing oembed, not consuming
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sknebel I've consumed it manually when I wanted to embed a wordcamp video from wordpress.tv
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[kevinmarks] Do you mean the html variant? When I tried that I couldn't find anything that used it
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jeremycherfas Here we go again.
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Zegnat tantek, kick/ban, please! If you are still around!
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petermolnar is it just me or do these spams getting more an more usual?
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sknebel not just you
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Yarns Indie Reader" by Khürt Williams on 2018-02-09 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/8219896
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Yarns Indie Reader" on 2018-02-09 https://khurt.tumblr.com/post/170680556336
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strugee redraw-display
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[eddie] Hmmm I’m about to make a private event on Facebook... I’m assuming Bridgy won’t send webmentions for private Facebook event RSVPs, even if the post has the Indie Event url?
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aaronpk correct
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@melvintawan lovesexandmarriageshow @rahimbrazil @rahimbrazil @rahimbrazil #lgbt #lgbtq #indieweb… https://www.instagram.com/p/Be-7IDQnHYa/ (twitter.com/_/status/962006256297787393)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hi, I'm just joined social.coop (having been over on mastodon.social for a few months), and intend this to be my main Mastodon instance. I'm keen" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-20 https://stream.raretrack.uk/2017/hi-im-just-joined-socialcoop-having-been-over-on-mastodonsocial
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Finished upgrading my hosted #owncloud to @nextclouders #nextcloud instead - looking good so far :) #indieweb #ownyourdata" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-06-25 https://stream.raretrack.uk/2017/finished-upgrading-my-hosted-owncloud-to-nextclouders-nextcloud-instead
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Just installed the Mastodon plugin for #Known by @nxd4n - if you can see this test post on Mastodon it has worked! #indieweb https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-19 https://stream.raretrack.uk/2017/just-installed-the-mastodon-plugin-for-known-by-nxd4n
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I've written a short blog post with my musings about the #indieweb from an end-user perspective https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 https://stream.raretrack.uk/2017/ive-written-a-short-blog-post-with-my-musings-about
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Loqi [superfeedr] "My #indieweb journey continues: migrated my Google Contacts to #ownCloud - sync to my phone via @davdroidapp #goodbyegoogle #ownyourdata :)" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-01-09 https://stream.raretrack.uk/2017/my-indieweb-journey-continues-migrated-my-google-contacts-to-owncloud
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GWG I have to think about moving from Owncloud to Nextcloud
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GWG I should read those for inspiration
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Loqi I agree
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dgold aiui, NextCloud is the original OwnCloud devteam, following some sort of Drama with the LLC
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GWG dgold, I am just being lazy
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GWG Or busy
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[stefp] I can’t log in to OwnYourGram right now. Is anyone else having a problem?
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aaronpk were you previously able to?
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[stefp] Yes. This is the error I’m getting.
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aaronpk just logged in
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[stefp] Untitled https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F980RLFF1/screenshot_2018-02-09_20.37.40.png?pub_secret=a18ee0ab07&name=Screenshot 2018-02-09 20.37.40.png
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aaronpk oh someone just sent a fix for that
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aaronpk merged. try again
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[stefp] It’s still doing it
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aaronpk k lemme look harder :)
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[stefp] thanks
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aaronpk there we go
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[stefp] That fixed it. Thanks 🙂
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aaronpk i'm working on some other fixes for micro.blog now too fyi
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[stefp] I have an account there but I’m using OwnYourGram with Wordpress.
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk alright got those bugs sorted out. as far as I know now, ownyourgram should be back to normal
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aaronpk so please report any more issues if you encounter them :)
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[jjdelc] hello, I have a question about bridgy and webmentions and pesos.
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[jjdelc] When bridgy scrapes the likes on an IG post, it seems that bridgy also scrapes my blog to find the syndicate-to match and then sends a webmention. but as per protocol, I have to then check that the source page (the Ig post) contains a link to the target (my blog post), but of course there is no link from IG to my post since the post initialized there, so I end up rejecting the mention.
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aaronpk bridgy sends its own URLs as the source URL of the webmention
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aaronpk those URLs *do* have a link to your post
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-09.html
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@sdepolo @JmacDotOrg @indiewebcamp So glad you found it enticing. Let me know when you get something set up. I'm looking to document the User Story for #indieweb on my blog. https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DVn87J4VoAEpn0-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/962078128528023552)
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[jjdelc] ah those urls from appspot?
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[jjdelc] so the webmention displayed on my site should link to that appspot URL and not to the IG?
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aaronpk when you parse that page, it reports the instagram URL in the microformats
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aaronpk most people link to the instagram URL
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aaronpk which is definitely placing some trust in bridgy, since if you let anyone do that, it'd be easy to fake comments from other people
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aaronpk my site shows "(via brid.gy)" or whatever other domain if the source URL and microformats URL don't match
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[jjdelc] I see, I should parse those appspot URLs, although when someone clicks on those mentions it'll take them to the unstyled snippet, but that;s alright I suppose
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aaronpk you don't *have* to show those URLs
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aaronpk but you should definitely parse the bridgy URLs because that's how you verify the webmention
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[jjdelc] Ah so the webmention source param is not necessarily the target, but first parse the content of the webmention content and fallback to the source url then
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tantek [jjdelc]: you may also be interested in the [#dev] channel! :)
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aaronpk the webmention source URL is the URL that links to your page. but what that page actually *means* is something different
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[jjdelc] [tantek] thanks, I forgot about that
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[jjdelc] I'm making my mp and wm endpoints and trying to tweak them os they work well
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[eddie] Media Fragments have begun… I have many more plans for Media Fragments and Indigenous in the future as well https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/02/09/12/reply/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Thanks for the shout out! Definitely feel free to let me know if there are any major features it’s missing for your use.
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[eddie] Right now it only works if you listen to an audio post in the /Reader. Plans are for if you are listening/watching audio/video posts in the Reader OR if you are on an h-entry page in Safari, and listening to audio or video that is marked up as u-audio/u-video then the Media Fragments will be included
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[eddie] (I also need to add an option for them to be removed in the event that you want to respond to something as a whole)
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tantek does Indigenous use media fragments to keep track of where you are in podcast etc and resume there when you re-open it?
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[eddie] Not currently. Interesting idea though
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[eddie] It is currently just used for responses to the post (reply, like, etc)
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tantek still very cool
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-09.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-09.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVoTMLWVAAAQnWo.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/962102575557328897)
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@namedotcom "You shouldn't use the technology because it's exciting to you; you should use it because it somehow helps the end user." Your weekend viewing begins with @adactio @aneventapart and the @indiewebcamp. https://youtu.be/tLAI02TY7vI https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVocUYhVMAADAWa.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/962112902101528576)
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tantek oh?