#indieweb 2018-03-03

2018-03-03 UTC
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aaronpk Whoa since when has Lyft started doing badges??
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[kevinmarks] What is microcast?
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Loqi microcast is a podcast that is shorter than typical podcasts, usually under 10 minutes long https://indieweb.org/microcast
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[kevinmarks] microcast << Facebook testing audio status updates in India https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/facebook-voice-clip-status/amp/?__indieweb_impression=true
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Loqi ok, I added "Facebook testing audio status updates in India https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/facebook-voice-clip-status/amp/?__indieweb_impression=true" to the "See Also" section of /microcast
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[colinwalker] How long before Facebook buys Anchor?
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sknebel what is Anchor?
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Loqi Anchor is a silo for audio posts and podcasting https://indieweb.org/Anchor
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[mifga] what is kanban?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "kanban" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "kanban is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[mifga] aww, i was certain that some indieweb folks might have been hacking on kanban+plaintext socketed into indie sites
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[mifga] i’m still in the land of wanting to mess with private notes, do work on tasks and notes, and then pub them, which isn’t necessarily the coolest thing in indieweb. it is sorta just “creating stuff to share online.” but i am in envy of the time and care folks like [tantek] have spent into thinking through processes, even if the part I’m excited about is just the operational and he’s actually doing awesome community-benefitting things with
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[xavierroy] Does bridgy support emoji post urls?
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[xavierroy] Looks like it is failing on https://xavierroy.com/2018/03/03/☿️♀️🌴/
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GWG [xavierroy]: I'm not sure I ever tested it.
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[xavierroy] This is a response from bridgy: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1520090051&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyVAsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIkZ0YWc6aW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbSwyMDEzOjE3MjY5MDg4MTQwMzYyMzgzNjlfMzQxMTI3NzVfbGlrZWRfYnlfMjQ3NjEwOTE3DA
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GWG [xavierroy]: Does WordPress accept Emoji titles? I've never tried.
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[xavierroy] It does for title field. https://xavierroy.com/2018/01/17/first-bite-how-we-learn-to-eat-by-bee-wilson/
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Loqi [Xavier Roy] 📕 First Bite: How We Learn to Eat by Bee Wilson
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GWG [xavierroy]: Do you have access to the logs for your site to see if an error message was generated?
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[xavierroy] Right now on a mobile, I can check once back at my computer
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GWG Okay. Let's try and troubleshoot
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@lllIIlIlIl https://indieweb.org/site-deaths https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXYicqwW0AEpw76.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/970000663815090176)
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@lllIIlIlIl https://indieweb.org/site-deaths https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXYjBY5XkAA_enU.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/970001319019859968)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Shindig" on 2018-01-02 https://keithjgrant.com/posts/2018/01/shindig/
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aaronpk alright I think I am mostly switched over to monocle/aperture now!
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aaronpk I even closed some of my private IRC channels
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tantek wow
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dgold that's incredible
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Enabling two way communication with WordPress and GitHub for Issues" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-03-03 http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/03/enabling-two-way-communication-with-wordpress-and-github-for-issues/
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aaronpk I feel like it's at least as good as the experience on IRC, so I'm taking the plunge to encourage myself to keep improving it
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tantek will be interesting to see if you can keep the UI latency as low as IRC
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aaronpk for sure, that's a huge part
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unicron what's monocle?
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tantek what is monocle?
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Loqi Monocle is an open source IndieWeb-enabled reader developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Monocle
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@ChrisAldrich Enabling two way communication with @WordPress and @github for Issues. I've written up a brief sketch of what I've done to enable this functionality, so others who are so inclined can follow along to do the same thing. #IndieWeb #OwnYourData http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/03/enabling-two-way-communication-with-wordpress-and-github-for-issues/ (twitter.com/_/status/970042193569226752)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Enabling two way communication with WordPress and GitHub for Issues" http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/03/enabling-two-way-communication-with-wordpress-and-github-for-issues/
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tantek nice
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GWG I am merely an enabler of chrisaldrich's addiction sometimes
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tantek GWG, sounds more like passion
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GWG I'll accept that. But his enthusiasm is infectious
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GWG I know if I build a feature he'd use it
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GWG It has affected my priority sometimes
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GWG Not for big projects but for little ones
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GWG I am thinking of going back to location and weather
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GWG I have this idea to build a library to my Home Assistant installation where I have all this data to use
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raziellight And then what
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GWG Well, I have linked my weather sensors and device trackers to it
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GWG So, my site supports weather providers and location, so this would be an alternative source
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raziellight Sounds pretty cool then you can like measure tornados and see them go around in circles
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GWG I live in New York. Not usually tornado country
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raziellight Maybe a few beautifully repetitive snowflakes then
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GWG The data in Home Assistant purges by default in 10 days
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chrisaldrich Hi, my name is chrisaldrich and I'm an indieweb-aholic. Apparently I may need a new sponsor since my addiction is getting worse instead of better.... ;)
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chrisaldrich You guys do such nice code, the least I could do is document a bit of it....
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GWG Hi, chrisaldrich. Welcome to Indiewebbers Anonymous
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GWG chrisaldrich, I enjoy seeing people use my stuff more than I do
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chrisaldrich I know one or two who are tinkering to get issues working already.
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GWG I need to push myself to write more
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chrisaldrich set a reminder alarm on your phone to post two status updates a day... practice makes perfect.
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GWG chrisaldrich, I jumped on that to encourage adoption of snarfed's work
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GWG chrisaldrich, did you try Syndication Links? I pushed an update that changes some things
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GWG chrisaldrich, if I hook in Home Assistant, I can do a lot more crazy stuff
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chrisaldrich I updated earlier, and have been browsing around to see if there are any quirks as a result.
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tantek what is Home Assistant
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Home Assistant" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Home Assistant is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich Still not seeing any icon associated with username.wordpress.com syndicated links...
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chrisaldrich I still need to switch over to https to take better advantage of the location and weather stuff.
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GWG Home Assistant is an open source home automation platform written in Python that emphasizes usage of upstream libraries to add new support and has an active community of contributors.
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Loqi ok
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chrisaldrich I'm curious what will happen to the huge percentage of the web that doesn't move to https.
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GWG chrisaldrich, look at manually adding a link.
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chrisaldrich WordPress's 30% of the web number is going to be hit pretty hard when all those <v3.0 sites essentially disappear from the web.
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chrisaldrich Maybe it will spur them from maintaining such huge backwards compatibility?
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GWG chrisaldrich, we'll see what happens
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tantek what do you mean essentially disappear?
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tantek why would that happen?
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GWG Chrome is marking http sites as insecure.
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GWG May scare people
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tantek nah, they'll end up ignoring it due to alarm fatigue
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tantek (akin to a red light that's always on but thing still seem to work)
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GWG I know
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chrisaldrich They'll need to have some sort of different alarm to distinguish "old" sites from ones that are truly compromised though. I often find that some of their alarms for sites with issues make it much harder to actually get to them though.
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petermolnar_ to be honest, I'm getting an encryption fatigue as well... I get it, it's useful, because it prevents data sniffing an tracking, but shouldn't instead we stop sniffing and tracking?
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unicron petermolnar_: how do you propose to do that
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snarfed right
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petermolnar_ the GDPR is a good start with it's if you can't justify the business needs for personal data, you shouldn't collect it
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unicron criminals and other threat actors will cheerfully ignore your regulations
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chrisaldrich I was just thinking what a great sniffer bridgy was....
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snarfed ?!
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snarfed [insert obligatory public vs private distinction here :P]
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petermolnar_ unicron: I should take this to -chat
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chrisaldrich I'm still dreaming of a day when Twitter and Facebook will enable webmentions.
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snarfed i've always maintained that bridgy is ideally just a temporary hack, and can't wait to shut it down once the silos implement wms
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snarfed (but whether they actually ever will is a separate question... :P)
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chrisaldrich snarfed, your bootstrap makes you one of my favorite facebook engineers. sadly they're not paying you enough...
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snarfed lol
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chrisaldrich GWG, where is syndication links storing it's URLs? I just remembered yet another itch....
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GWG mf2_syndication, why?
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chrisaldrich I was thinking of potentially building this post out into something more significant. Perhaps a plugin? http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/24/adding-simple-twitter-response-buttons-to-wordpress-posts/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Adding Simple Twitter Response Buttons to WordPress Posts
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chrisaldrich Or maybe an add on to one of the plugins already out there.
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GWG chrisaldrich, did you see Gregorlove's follow buttons?
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@kevinmarks The problem with self-dogfooding was summed up by Shaw: “Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same.” #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXZn_59UMAMPBlS.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/970077120931053568)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The problem with self-dogfooding was summed up by Shaw: “Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same.” #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-03-03 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/the-problem-with-self-dogfooding-was-summed-up-by-shaw-do
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tantek wat - that's nonsense kevinmarks
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tantek nothing about *self*dogfooding says what to "do unto others"
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tantek sheesh
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tantek selfdogfooding is a form of "proof of work" as it were
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tantek has nothing to do with "do(ing) unto others"
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tantek kevinmarks what motivated that post? I'm assuming you had some good reason for it.
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[kevinmarks] I was preparing Dogfood and was reminded of that being a terrible metaphor
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[kevinmarks] The assumption that the programmer is the prototypical user fails in several ways.
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[kevinmarks] I get that the underlying idea is that you should be subject to your own systems constraints
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[kevinmarks] And it is a marker for certain kinds of user disrespect.
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[kevinmarks] My dogs always want to eat my food, even if it would make them very ill (chocolate, onions). I don't want to eat the food that is best for them (as above).
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[kevinmarks] We could probably both eat salami or jerky but it's probably better that we get what suits us.