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#@AKrCosplayInstagrams random deletion of large accounts is unnerving. I know that sounds ridiculous, but people have spent years building and cultivating their following and for some it’s their business and livelihood that’s at stake. So to lose that overnight is terrifying. (twitter.com/_/status/970432100322209792)
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#aaronpkI still open IRC all the time to see what's going on in chat but ever since I moved a bunch of stuff to Aperture it's been really quiet in my IRC land
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for ".well-known" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say ".well-known is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#@jaboukieme talking to a friend: like yes, intimacy is great, but am i really ready for a full relationship right now? instagram ad: Do you feel like yes, intimacy is great, but am i really ready for a full relationship right now? If so, you should shop at this online thrift store (twitter.com/_/status/970540152975060992)
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#skippyi like the look of sempress-lite, too. but sempress still requires that i dig in to make changes to display what *I* want.
#[jeremycherfas]Both. That’s a good part of the difficulty right there
#skippythe plugins allow some level of indieweb regardless of theme. themes are a little harder to make generic enough for casual indieweb adoption, I think.
#skippycreating a wordpress theme can be overwhelming. indieweb can be overwhelming. adding the two seems insurmountable to casual tinkerer me.
#KartikPrabhuskippy: I am sure GWG can guide you through it but he's not around now
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#[miklb]thank you skippy for putting into words what I’d like to solve with the theme starter I’ve been thinking through. “creating a wordpress theme can be overwhelming. indieweb can be overwhelming”
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#[miklb]need to stop thinking and start committing some code
#skippyi'd be willing to help a bit. rather than an uber theme that shows off all the things, smaller themes that show off individual bits, with a guide on how to integrate the pieces one needs into something for themselves.
#skippyi dont need everything that sempress supports, for example. at leats, not now.
#skippyGWG I'd benefit from a recipe. Start with this simple thing. Then add this next thing. what classes should i apply to my posts in the loop output, for example.
#[miklb]the entire Indieweb community would benefit from better documentation of mf2
#[tantek]When you come across a post type like repost or bookmark that lacks sufficient examples, could you add something like (more mf2 examples needed!) to its “How to markup” or “How to publish” section?
#Loqi[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML.
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#[kevinmarks]Skippy, you might find indiewebify.me helpful for that
#skippyand nothing on the microformats site even suggests anything about this comment on the indieweb wik: "On post permalink pages the h-entry should be the top-level microformat (not nested under anything). "
#skippyive used that before [kevinmarks]. it is useful, but also consider the cognitive load of trying to do something, and being bounced between three or four links across different sites to figure this out.
#[tantek]skippy, good point. You should it have to click around like that. That bugs me too
#[tantek]or at least it should be one click away, not a maze of clicks :)
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#skippyi fully admit my own expectations may be misaligned. I rather assume that indieweb.org is the place to go for info on how to. Maybe it's not the canonical source of such information, but more advocacy and background.
#[tantek]Eg h-entry could link to /note for a simple example
#skippy"The Complete Beginner's Guide to Indiweb, with examples, for the casual participant" is what I want. First, add this simple <meta> link to the <head> of your theme. then add this <class> to each post you make.... Then ...
#skippyIterative additions on a foundation would help me a lot.
#skippyI'm not going to be using replies or RSVPs or check-ins immediately. so that's all noise to me right now.
#[kevinmarks]That is close to what indiewebify.me does. Maybe we should review the order it suggests things
#skippyobviously indiewebify.me can't provide specific implementation guidance for every possible CMS or hand-rolled site on the web.
#skippybut for people -- especially newbies -- working with WP, this is awkward because I dont know where to modify the theme to accomplish this. And modifying an extant theme is a non-trivial task.
#skippydo note that I'm not complaining, really. Just observing out loud. If I can help make improvements, I'd like to do so.
#sknebelSo that probably should be referenced from the template docs
#sknebelOr where would you look for guidance on this?
#[tantek]Skippy, adding Wordpress to he mix makes it so much harder because there are literally too many places to look that you might need to change something
#[tantek]It’s so much harder than just a “plain” html page from a static site generator etc that I’d say your best bet is to start asking these questions in #indieweb-wordpress
#[tantek]We probably literally need a Wordpress-specific version of indiewebify me for this because the advice on where to look and what to install is so specific to Wordpress
#[tantek]Re: the complete beginners guide, see tutorials
#chrisaldrichskippy, some WordPress themes like SemPress will add appropriate (but usually minimal) h-cards to pages, particularly for authorship.
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#skippyto make sure i understand what indiewebify is telling me: there should be exactly one h-card on my home page; and each individual post should have an h-entry? Is that correct?
#[tantek]I keep a list of movies to see, but I often forget why I added to it, or when, and am thinking that if I had a post for each of those, then the list could be an aggregation of them, minus all the /watch/read posts
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#[eddie]I’ve posted “wanted to (watch/read/etc)” posts
#Loqi[Eddie Hinkle] 📺 💭 Looking forward to Gotham Season 3 Episode 15:
They are teasing this episode as the beginning of Bruce’s journey to become Batman… I’ve been anticipating that transition for awhile now.
#[tantek]The use case for a special post for this is exactly the aggregated list I spoke of
#chrisaldrichsounds like bookmark+collection a bit to me
#[eddie]I believe gRegorLove also has “want to read” posts
#[tantek](And that sounds like a good reason to watch Gotham 🤣)
#[tantek][chrisaldrich] except the collection is dynamic, not a post
#chrisaldrichtypically once I've read a particular book, I'll remove the "want to read" tag, so in some sense it is dynamic without requiring a lot of additional build out.
#[tantek]Maybe wish/want is the post type? And aggregate by tag for different thing / experience categories like read / watch / visit / or whatever for stuff
#[eddie]I think the challenge is how do you know when the wish/want is granted?
#[eddie]That’s one of my challenges with replacing Goodreads with my site (2018 goal)
#[tantek][chrisaldrich] I’m saying I’d rather the collection be automatically built from want minus done posts
#[tantek]Eddie, perhaps the done / acquired post becomes a reply to the wish / want post?
#chrisaldrichThe Post Kinds Plugin actually defines wishes as "a post indicating a desire/wish" so it's meant to be a bit broader than just giftlists, etc.
#gRegorLoveI was thinking the other day about wishlists. I was thinking I could add tag "wishlist" to my want-to-* posts and then the tag page would be the up-to-date list.
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#[tantek]One key thing that I’d want to capture is the why behind the wish / want
#chrisaldrichI have considered doing a custom archive template to better display my want-to-* posts since the tag/want-to-* isn't always as useful (to me)
#gRegorLoveI think I've included a "via" or "h/t" on some of my want-to-reads
#[tantek]“Better display” usually means an opportunity for a new post type (not always)
#[eddie]In my “wish” posts since they have all been media related, I’ve used my content to explain why, and the media info is contained in extra attributes
#Loqi[gRegor Morrill] Want to read: A Kim Jong-Il Production: The Extraordinary True Story of a Kidnapped Filmmaker, His Star Actress, and a Young Dictator's Rise to Power
h/t This American Life episode 556: “Same Bed, Different Dreams”
#gRegorLoveMost of the ones I've added in 2017 onward haven't included either though
#gRegorLoveGoodreads has a "Who recommended it to me" field, which can be a name (autolink if they're a Goodreads friend), or just text. I include the podcast name + episode for those.
#chrisaldrichTantek, your use case almost sounds more like a to do list which could have tags for specific types of read, watch, listen etc.
#[tantek]Most (all?) wants are optional, not required
#chrisaldrichI keep to do lists for personal things like that... helps prevent the dread of "just work" from keeping me look at them.
#[tantek]Turning your desires into work is a sure way to suck all the joy out of them
#chrisaldrichBut the physical structures of how those lists work isn't much different.
#chrisaldrichThough you might like to sort them by some type of ranking the way Netflix does for your want to watch list
#chrisaldrichand not sort by date the way most websites/blogs do.
#chrisaldrichI do maintain a bit of back end metadata that lets me sort my want-to-* bookmarks by various criteria. It's just not public facing.
#[tantek]“Physical structures not much different” NO. That’s dangerously close to plumbing centric design or worse implementation that limits the design and UX
#[tantek]The emotional design is totally different
#[tantek]Btw I find Netflix’s list an absolute failure
#[tantek]If you’re looking for examples of bad design
#[tantek][chrisaldrich] do you distinguish want-to and like-to? Or need-to?
#chrisaldrichfor those types of watch/read lists I don't typically. if it's a need to, it goes onto a work to do list somewhere else.
#chrisaldrichsome of my goodreads to read lists had become so long that I did subcategorize them a bit
#gRegorLoveI forget the name schmarty mentioned at IWC Baltimore, but he said (joked) something about indiebookclub dot biz
#chrisaldrichI do have a "to-get" list for potential acquisitions, but I find in practice that I don't use it often.
#gRegorLoveNot aware of leaderboards, but goodreads does let you compare your bookshelves to individual friends, and when you look at your shelved copy of a book, it shows which friends have it on their shelves / their reviews
#chrisaldrichI've been trying to acquire fewer physical books in the last 5 years.
#gRegorLoveSo I can see how many books I have in common with chrisaldrich, how many I have that he doesn't, vice versa, and drill down to the actual books.
#chrisaldrichI do keep a lot of metadata in my desktop version of Calibre about books I own, and most of the data is synced with GoodReads.
#chrisaldrichEventually I'll set something up to mirror all the data on my own website.
#[tantek][chrisaldrich] I hear you. I have acquired too many to-read books as it is :)
#gRegorLove"Chris’s books: 2282 (2199 not in common)" dang, chrisaldrich! :)
#chrisaldrichThere is a valuable concept known as the anti-library that you should know about then tantek.
#[tantek]I’d like to also publish the subset of my books that I’m ok lending, and of those the subset that I’m ok infinite lending
#[tantek]Anti-library sounds a bit dark, like what happened to Alexandria
#chrisaldrichI used to keep closer track of stuff like that when I started my Little Free Library, but the work of doing it was too high a bar eventually.
#[eddie]tantek: I don’t track what books to purchase either. I have a Goodreads list “Next books” which is typically the next 4 books I plan to read. Generally when I promote books to that list I will buy them. I buy almost all books on Kindle, so it’s quick and easy
#[eddie]The idea is that I don’t generally buy a book (or ebook) until I am going to read it in the next month or so.
#chrisaldrichWhen possible, I've defaulted to getting e-books from local libraries, which also makes my habit less expensive.
#[tantek]Eddie that’s sounds like a good approach. At this point I don’t buy a book unless I can honestly say it’s more important for me to read it before any of the other books I already have (and haven’t read yet)
#chrisaldrichtantek, do you still have a machine to view those books?
#[tantek]Yes. Haven’t plugged it in in a while but I may do so. I’ve been procrastinating converting them (they’re built in HyperCard) to another format that’s even remotely as featured (see UI screenshot in first photo)
#[tantek]Lastly, in addition to such want-to posts being completed with done ( /read or /watch etc) posts, I’d also want a way to capture the alternative, something like a nevermind post. Or other form of letting go of a want
#[tantek]Wondering if anyone has posted anything like that
#[tantek]It’s not just a delete because there’s usually a good reason for it, that may be worth capturing. Perhaps even just capturing that reason provides sense of completion or closure to a former want
#[tantek][chrisaldrich] do you remove books from your to-read list(s) without reading them, and if so do you make note of why? (Perhaps so you won’t bother to re-add them later?)
#[tantek]want is a rare [[post]] type on the indieweb, where the author posts something ([[acquistion]]) or experience (book to [[read]], movie to [[watch]], [[venue]] to [[checkin]]) they want get or do.
#LoqiA wish is a post indicating an acquisition or purchase either you wish to make or which you hope someone might purchase on your behalf for a birthday, anniversary, baby shower, wedding, or other event https://indieweb.org/wish
#[tantek]yeah that’s different enough, explicitly allowing for others to get / do it for you
#[tantek]You’re also wanting the experience l, not the acquisition
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#Loqi[superfeedr] "Ben Werdmuller on Twitter: "I really wanted to comment on this @nickgrossman post (we use AirTable + Zapier at @mattervc and it’s magical) but Disqus is down. I wish every blogging platform supported #indieweb. https://t.co/PnODyHTmzc"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2018-03-06 https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/971037048642658304
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