#indieweb 2018-03-12

2018-03-12 UTC
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@downdb
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Micropub/IndieWeb stuff, but not having much luck. Decentralized auth is confusing.
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@jjdelc
Look at this! Offline posting from an the air! #micropub #indieweb Don't mind the dirty window. https://jj.isgeek.net/2018/03/11-114303-pm/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYDMkcKWsAAvPB1.jpg
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@EddieHinkle
@downdb Hey, I’m sorry to hear you’re having a hard time. If you haven’t joined us on Slack/IRC, we love to help talking through things with people that are having a hard time, you can find the chat info here: https://indieweb.org/discuss (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/11/8/reply/)
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@jjdelc
Look at this! Offline posting from an the air! #micropub #indieweb Don't mind the dirty window. https://jj.isgeek.net/2018/03/11-114303-pm/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYDQxaZXUAEvAcS.jpg
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aaronpk
I'm struggling to find a wiki page that answers this question
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KartikPrabhu
it is when you post on your own site instead of silos
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[miklb]
or that is your goal
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aaronpk
This sounds like a great podcast interview question :-)
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[eddie]
I definitely think there needs to be posting action on your own site to be considered a “citizen” of the IndieWeb. That’s a pretty strong word. I don’t think you have to post EVERYTHING to your site, but I think the majority of your text based content should be hosted on your site
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[eddie]
it does
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aaronpk
schmarty: want to record people answering "what does it mean to be a citizen of the indieweb?" :-D
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aaronpk
True, citizen is definitely stronger than "a member of" for example
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aaronpk
To be a citizen of a place, you have to live there for a majority of the year right? I think that would cover "posting most things to your site but you can talk a vacation to the silos occasionally" 😂
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aaronpk
s/talk/take
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[eddie]
Yep, exactly
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[miklb]
that’s a fair argument
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[eddie]
I think if you have a website that expresses your identity, you are a member of the IndieWeb
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[eddie]
Pretty simple entry point
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aaronpk
Totally
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KartikPrabhu
[eddie]: yeah, but I think you need to post on t
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aaronpk
"Member"
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aaronpk
And hey now that I've moved most of my following to Aperture I can finally say I no longer live in IRC 😂
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[eddie]
Yep, and then people who consistently use their primary site for the majority of their internet based content would be considered more like “citizens”
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[eddie]
That’s awesome, aaronpk!
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[eddie]
aaronpk++
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
I don't like this hierarchy in indiewebiness
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[eddie]
there isn’t necessarily an internal hierarchy
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[eddie]
But if you’re using words with specific meanings, they mean different things
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[miklb]
what is generations
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Loqi
Generations in the context of the IndieWeb refer to clusters of potential IndieWeb adopters in a series of waves that are expected to naturally adopt the IndieWeb for themselves and then help inform the next generation https://indieweb.org/generations
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KartikPrabhu
generations I understand
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KartikPrabhu
that is more about how technical one is
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[eddie]
aaronpk: Do you find you leave your IRC window open as much for conversations? Or do you just periodically check in?
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[eddie]
Like, I’m curious if using IRC less for following content has affected your IRC conversation usage at all
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[eddie]
Or, if it provides more clarity because IRC is *JUST* for conversations and not content following
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[snarfed]
re "citizen," http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#sites takes a stab at this too
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[snarfed]
"Any personal web site is IndieWeb in spirit! Especially if the owner uses it as some or all of their primary personal identity."
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[snarfed]
"I also propose the modest criteria that a site is IndieWeb in a technical plumbing sense if it has either microformats2, a webmention endpoint, or a micropub endpoint."
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KartikPrabhu
[snarfed]: yes those sounds fair
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[eddie]
That makes sense
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[snarfed]
s/identity/online identity/
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schmarty
that sounds like a pretty fun interview question.
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KartikPrabhu
actually; why not pose it as a question to everyone here! Everyone write a post answering what counts as "citizen of the indieweb"
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KartikPrabhu
note or article your choice
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Loqi
[Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu replied to a post on collect.readwriterespond.com with To me it me...
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KartikPrabhu
come on Loqi get with the new mf2 rules
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[snarfed]
bleedingedge-- :P
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
bleedingedge++
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Loqi
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[eddie]
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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[eddie]
I wrote up mine, but alas, Jekyll and rebuild cycles, my post will take a minute 😉
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KartikPrabhu
[eddie]: no "alas" as I said in my post ;)
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Loqi
awesome
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[eddie]
touche!
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[eddie]
I appreciate how simple, short and sweet yours was
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KartikPrabhu
we should start a hashtag
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KartikPrabhu
#indieweb #indiewebcitizen ?
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KartikPrabhu
thanks Loqi! :P
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Loqi
you're welcome
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[eddie]
I did tag mine indieweb, I could also add indiewebcitizen
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KartikPrabhu
ok lets do it and POSSE to twitters
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[eddie]
:thumbsup:
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@kartik_prabhu
replied to https://collect.readwriterespond.com/citizen-of-indieweb/ with To me it means: have a domain name and post content on it. Everything else is a bonus. #indieweb #indiewebcitizen
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aaronpk
[eddie]: im still weaning myself from the habit of opening irc on my phone to check all the feeds but making progress. I is kinda nice having it just be conversation again
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: join the #indiewebcitizen ;)
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[mrkrndvs]
Thanks Kartik Prabhu for continuing the convo. Wondering if anyone has any ideas why the webmention is getting an error. Any suggestions where to look?
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@EddieHinkle
What is an IndieWeb Citizen? I think you can be things to different degrees. You can visit a country, work there, or get a green card. But, only the most committed become citizens of a country…(read more at https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/11/9/article/) #indieweb #indiewebcitizen
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[eddie]
Hmm, I got an accepted message from your webmention, mrkrndvs
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[eddie]
aaronpk: makes sense! 🙂 I imagine it’ll take a while after so many years of engrained habits
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[eddie]
!tell mrkrndvs one odd thing I noticed though, I sent my post as a mention. On your site, the mention only shows my avatar and the avatar links to my author url. Which means I don’t think there is any way to find the article that actually mentioned your post from your post
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie]
Which is fine if you want it that way, but just odd that I could get to my author url but not the post url :)
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@dsup
Added bcrypt/argon support, basic composer/psr4 support, and a REPL to gnu/social today! https://git.gnu.io/dansup/gnu-social #gnusocial #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYEQKvHVMAEVLS2.png
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dansup
heh
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dansup
its been a productive day
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@lostfocus
Likes re: Citizen of the Indieweb?. http://ift.tt/2DlDMQF
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jeremycherfas
It is kind of meta-weird that the link Loqi provides for [aaron davis] Citizen of the Indieweb? piece is still the i pixel image on his comment plugin. I found the correct link via KartikPrabhu
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Aaron Davis wonders "when are you an actual ‘citizen’, that is when do you belong to, in or are a part of the Indieweb?" To" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-03-12 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/aaron-davis-wonders-when-are-you-an-actual-citizen-that
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@erinbiba
There was a time when, if reporters were going to quote you and mention you in their article, they'd at least contact you and let you know ahead of time. Quoting directly from Twitter has eliminated that tradition. I don't love it.
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@brendandawes
Really like Webmentions and how it works especially when used with http://brid.gy https://indieweb.org/Webmention The web is a conversation again.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Weniger Social Media, mehr Mensch" by rene@renem.net (René) on 2017-08-12 https://renem.net/post/2017-08-12-weniger-social-media-mehr-mensch/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "New Balance Fresh Foam Zante V3 Test Von Runomatic" by rene@renem.net (René) on 2017-08-21 https://renem.net/post/2017-08-22-new-balance-fresh-foam-zante-v3-test-von-runomatic/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Homebrew Microblog Meetup" on 2018-03-12 http://calagator.org/events/1250473405
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Loqi
Homebrew Microblog Meetup on Wednesday, Mar 14, 6:00pm at Rogue Eastside Pub & Pilot Brewery
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@calum_ryan
#HappyBirthdayWWW Design/write/make something for the web! Homebrew Website Club London is back next month, going East for a change https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180404
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Things I’m thinking about right now" by Randall Bennett on 2018-03-12 https://medium.com/@randallb/things-im-thinking-about-right-now-a5c676960668?source=rss------television-5
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@RelaunchBuch
Lektion: Pack dein Zeug nicht in Silos. #indieweb Noch 60 Tage zu lesen: https://krtsrc.com/2FCB3o8
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swentel
[eddie], hi, just wanted to check if my email arrived - unless you're not eddie hinkle, in that case, ignore my question :)
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@todonnl
We don't know exactly what happened behind the corporate curtains of @hivewaynet and if @officialmcafee is involved, but one thing we know... They unexpectedly close their Frankenstein #Mastodon instance at https://hiveway.net. #hiveway https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnE_rKXcAAOg98.jpg
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[eddie]
Hey swentel! I haven’t gotten a chance to respond, but yeah. It’s me!
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tantek
good morning to you too [eddie] :)
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[eddie]
good morning, tantek!
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tantek
wow hiveway.io is down too - just redirects to a vanill wix site
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[eddie]
swentel: Definitely, I’m open to it. I think the biggest thing is if you want to name the Android app Indigenous, then you’ll definitely want to focus on matching features when available. (Just because someone seeing the same name would probably expect similar features, etc). But I’m definitely okay with your app being an Indigenous for Android, if you that’s what you would like to do
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tantek
that might have been the shortest lived silo / blockchain hype / ICO that I've ever seen
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[eddie]
My plan is obviously to eventually build out a landing page for Indigenous at the url (indigenous.abode.pub) so we could make it a dual landing page when you finish the Android version and it would help people find both versions
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KartikPrabhu
!tell [mrkrndvs] : Looks like I get a "source not found" error; but my reply seems to have made it somehow?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@krautsource
Lektion: Pack dein Zeug nicht in Silos. #indieweb Noch 60 Tage zu lesen: https://krtsrc.com/2FCB3o8
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[eddie]
!tell KartikPrabhu Hmmm I think something is definitely off with your mf2. I just got a webmention “in reply to” my like from your indiewebcitizen post.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie]
So you posted your post, I liked your post, and then my like received a reply, which was the post the like post liked.
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aaronpk
isn't that a salmention?
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[eddie]
Maybe?
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[eddie]
Is that how it works?
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aaronpk
oh wait no I always get that wrong
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aaronpk
that's not part of what you're *supposed* to do when sending salmentions, but it also isn't incorrect, since his post does now link to your "like" post since your "like" post shows up as a comment
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[eddie]
The odd thing is webmention io says it’s a reply, even though for my like, I think it would be a mention
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aaronpk
oh hmm
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[eddie]
I don’t think webmention.io has any public links to individual mentions, does it?
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[eddie]
https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb this is the post that sent the “reply” to the “like”
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Loqi
[Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu replied to a post on collect.readwriterespond.com with To me it me...
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[eddie]
The webmention.io activity sentance is “Kartik Prabhu commented ‘’ on a post that linked to https://eddiehinkle.com/”
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Loqi
Eddie Hinkle
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KartikPrabhu
[eddie]: aah no sorry, that was my webmention sending code being stupid and sending webmentions to all links
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: [eddie] left you a message 5 minutes ago: Hmmm I think something is definitely off with your mf2. I just got a webmention “in reply to” my like from your indiewebcitizen post.
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KartikPrabhu
feel free to delete it. I should really fix it
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[eddie]
No worries, as long as you’re aware of it 🙂
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[eddie]
Not a big deal, but I figure its always good to give people heads up on stuff. I’ve found out a lot of stuff on my site from consumers giving me the heads up 🙂
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KartikPrabhu
[eddie]: yes of course
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KartikPrabhu
I haven't found a good way to decide which links to send mentions too. I should really not use the existing "comments" I guess
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sknebel
KartikPrabhu: one thing I notice in parser output: you claim eddie as an author of your post
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KartikPrabhu
wait what!
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sknebel
because your small like-displays aren't wrapped in h-entry
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KartikPrabhu
sknebel: whicc post which parser?
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Loqi
[Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu replied to a post on collect.readwriterespond.com with To me it me...
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KartikPrabhu
ha! ok will look
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KartikPrabhu
lol! yeah
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KartikPrabhu
sknebel: ok fixed! thanks
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KartikPrabhu
what is like?
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@aaronpk
Homebrew Website Club PDX is back, and joining forces with the Microbrew and Microblog meetup! Come to Rogue Eastside this Wednesday for the first "Homebrew Microblog"! https://indieweb.org/events/2018-03-14-homebrew-microblog #indieweb #microblog https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYGyVoMVAAAXkvd.jpg
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gRegorLove
Howdy, #indieweb
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sknebel
morning gRegorLove!
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[mrkrndvs]
KartikPrabhu I added your comment manually. Not quite IndieWeb 😬
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Loqi
[mrkrndvs]: [eddie] left you a message 14 hours, 58 minutes ago: one odd thing I noticed though, I sent my post as a mention. On your site, the mention only shows my avatar and the avatar links to my author url. Which means I don’t think there is any way to find the article that actually mentioned your post from your post
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KartikPrabhu
[mrkrndvs]: aah! I got the "source not found" both from my webmentionsender and your form at the end of the post
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[mrkrndvs]
KartikPrabhu when I pasted your link into the form I got it too. I posted 'old school'. Cut and paste. Not sure what the problem is 🤔
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Liked Aaron Parecki's IndieWeb Summit 2017 Wrap-Up!" by Zach Oglesby on 2017-07-02 https://zach.oglesby.co/2017/07/02/liked-aaron-pareckis-indieweb-summit-2017-wrap-up-ced8cd080f
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KartikPrabhu
[mrkrndvs]: yeah just retried with your form and got "Source URL not found" possibly your webmetioned reciever is broken
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KartikPrabhu
not sure how other replies got through
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zoglesby
Wow fix a bug and a 8 moth old like shows up.
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aaronpk
I just saw that!
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tantek
good afternoon #indieweb
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swentel
good evening .. ;)
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swentel
so, I've started working on an Indigenous a-like app for Android - auth dance works and I can send a post to my micropub endpoint from it now :)
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aaronpk
swentel++ amazing!
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Loqi
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swentel
aaronpk, thanks! I've send an e-mail to Eddie to check whether I can also name it Indigenous (would seem consistent in a way, and I'm bad in naming), so as I soon a I hear something, I'll put the code online
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swentel
and I can start a beta invite program too at some point
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aaronpk
naming things is hard
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aaronpk
I can sympathize with that
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[eddie]
Hey swentel, I forgot to have include the command for Loqi (the bot) to resend my message when you arrived
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Loqi
[[eddie]] swentel: Definitely, I’m open to it. I think the biggest thing is if you want to name the Android app Indigenous, then you’ll definitely want to focus on matching features when available. (Just because someone seeing the same name would probably ...
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Loqi
[[eddie]] My plan is obviously to eventually build out a landing page for Indigenous at the url (indigenous.abode.pub) so we could make it a dual landing page when you finish the Android version and it would help people find both versions
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[eddie]
Those were the two messages I attempted to send your way earlier 😁
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swentel
[eddie], yeah, the idea is to have all features in the Android version too
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[eddie]
Yeah, sounds fine to me then.
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swentel
and use the same styling, icons etc, with minor differences depending where it fits better
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Broken in plain sight" http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/broken-plain-sight.htm
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[eddie]
Yeah, same concepts, just altered to fit in on a different platform makes sense
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[eddie]
I know an Android app has been long desired around here, so it’ll be a welcome addition :)
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swentel
hehe, cool
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swentel
I'll probably put the code online somewhere next week
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swentel
when I have some more basic functionality in
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[eddie]
Very cool!
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[eddie]
swentel++
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Loqi
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@swentel
Started working on an android version of Indigenous. The authentication already works and I can post notes from it, yes! (code online soon) #indieweb #drupal #android (https://realize.be/notes/1241) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYHuwZ_V4AIDfpC.jpg
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swentel
heh interesting, the bot scans #indieweb tags?
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[eddie]
Haha it does. Loqi does all sorts of great things
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Loqi
[eddie]: lol
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tantek
gives Loqi a snack
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Loqi
jumps on the snack
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swentel
ok, sleep time, night all
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