#indieweb 2018-03-12

2018-03-12 UTC
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@downdb I’m trying to wrap my head around this Micropub/IndieWeb stuff, but not having much luck. Decentralized auth is confusing. (twitter.com/_/status/972992691301576707)
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@jjdelc Look at this! Offline posting from an the air! #micropub #indieweb Don't mind the dirty window. https://jj.isgeek.net/2018/03/11-114303-pm/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYDMkcKWsAAvPB1.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/973002448360132609)
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[kevinmarks] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/12/tim-berners-lee-web-weapon-regulation-open-letter
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@EddieHinkle @downdb Hey, I’m sorry to hear you’re having a hard time. If you haven’t joined us on Slack/IRC, we love to help talking through things with people that are having a hard time, you can find the chat info here: https://indieweb.org/discuss (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/11/8/reply/) (twitter.com/_/status/973006496886910977)
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@jjdelc Look at this! Offline posting from an the air! #micropub #indieweb Don't mind the dirty window. https://jj.isgeek.net/2018/03/11-114303-pm/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYDQxaZXUAEvAcS.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/973007070999040000)
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aaronpk https://collect.readwriterespond.com/citizen-of-indieweb/
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Loqi [Aaron Davis] 🤔 Citizen of the Indieweb? https://collect.readwriterespond.com/wp-content/plugins/cookies-for-comments/css.php?k=bf97b0e7210983af1d52ab01832c0002&o=i&t=22030162
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aaronpk I'm struggling to find a wiki page that answers this question
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KartikPrabhu it is when you post on your own site instead of silos
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[miklb] or that is your goal
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aaronpk This sounds like a great podcast interview question :-)
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[eddie] I definitely think there needs to be posting action on your own site to be considered a “citizen” of the IndieWeb. That’s a pretty strong word. I don’t think you have to post EVERYTHING to your site, but I think the majority of your text based content should be hosted on your site
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[eddie] it does
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aaronpk schmarty: want to record people answering "what does it mean to be a citizen of the indieweb?" :-D
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aaronpk True, citizen is definitely stronger than "a member of" for example
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aaronpk To be a citizen of a place, you have to live there for a majority of the year right? I think that would cover "posting most things to your site but you can talk a vacation to the silos occasionally" 😂
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aaronpk s/talk/take
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] Yep, exactly
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[miklb] that’s a fair argument
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[eddie] I think if you have a website that expresses your identity, you are a member of the IndieWeb
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[eddie] Pretty simple entry point
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aaronpk Totally
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: yeah, but I think you need to post on t
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aaronpk "Member"
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aaronpk And hey now that I've moved most of my following to Aperture I can finally say I no longer live in IRC 😂
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[eddie] Yep, and then people who consistently use their primary site for the majority of their internet based content would be considered more like “citizens”
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[eddie] That’s awesome, aaronpk!
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[eddie] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 548 karma in this channel (1584 overall)
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KartikPrabhu I don't like this hierarchy in indiewebiness
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[eddie] there isn’t necessarily an internal hierarchy
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[eddie] But if you’re using words with specific meanings, they mean different things
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[miklb] what is generations
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Loqi Generations in the context of the IndieWeb refer to clusters of potential IndieWeb adopters in a series of waves that are expected to naturally adopt the IndieWeb for themselves and then help inform the next generation https://indieweb.org/generations
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KartikPrabhu generations I understand
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KartikPrabhu that is more about how technical one is
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[eddie] aaronpk: Do you find you leave your IRC window open as much for conversations? Or do you just periodically check in?
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[eddie] Like, I’m curious if using IRC less for following content has affected your IRC conversation usage at all
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[eddie] Or, if it provides more clarity because IRC is *JUST* for conversations and not content following
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[snarfed] re "citizen," http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#sites takes a stab at this too
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[snarfed] "Any personal web site is IndieWeb in spirit! Especially if the owner uses it as some or all of their primary personal identity."
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[snarfed] "I also propose the modest criteria that a site is IndieWeb in a technical plumbing sense if it has either microformats2, a webmention endpoint, or a micropub endpoint."
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: yes those sounds fair
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[eddie] Yep
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[eddie] That makes sense
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[snarfed] s/identity/online identity/
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schmarty that sounds like a pretty fun interview question.
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KartikPrabhu actually; why not pose it as a question to everyone here! Everyone write a post answering what counts as "citizen of the indieweb"
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KartikPrabhu note or article your choice
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KartikPrabhu go!
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KartikPrabhu well the webmention endpoint on https://collect.readwriterespond.com/citizen-of-indieweb/ is broken
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Loqi [Aaron Davis] 🤔 Citizen of the Indieweb? https://collect.readwriterespond.com/wp-content/plugins/cookies-for-comments/css.php?k=bf97b0e7210983af1d52ab01832c0002&o=i&t=136259560
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KartikPrabhu so here is my reply https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu replied to a post on collect.readwriterespond.com with To me it me...
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KartikPrabhu come on Loqi get with the new mf2 rules
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[snarfed] bleedingedge-- :P
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KartikPrabhu hey!
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KartikPrabhu bleedingedge++
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KartikPrabhu lol!
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[eddie] KartikPrabhu++
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[eddie] I wrote up mine, but alas, Jekyll and rebuild cycles, my post will take a minute 😉
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: no "alas" as I said in my post ;)
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[eddie] haha!
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Loqi awesome
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[eddie] touche!
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[eddie] I appreciate how simple, short and sweet yours was
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KartikPrabhu we should start a hashtag
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KartikPrabhu #indieweb #indiewebcitizen ?
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Loqi yea
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KartikPrabhu thanks Loqi! :P
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Loqi you're welcome
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[eddie] I did tag mine indieweb, I could also add indiewebcitizen
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KartikPrabhu ok lets do it and POSSE to twitters
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[eddie] :thumbsup:
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@kartik_prabhu replied to https://collect.readwriterespond.com/citizen-of-indieweb/ with To me it means: have a domain name and post content on it. Everything else is a bonus. #indieweb #indiewebcitizen (twitter.com/_/status/973044439135506432)
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KartikPrabhu there^
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aaronpk [eddie]: im still weaning myself from the habit of opening irc on my phone to check all the feeds but making progress. I is kinda nice having it just be conversation again
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: join the #indiewebcitizen ;)
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[miklb] lol
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[mrkrndvs] Thanks Kartik Prabhu for continuing the convo. Wondering if anyone has any ideas why the webmention is getting an error. Any suggestions where to look?
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@EddieHinkle What is an IndieWeb Citizen? I think you can be things to different degrees. You can visit a country, work there, or get a green card. But, only the most committed become citizens of a country…(read more at https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/11/9/article/) #indieweb #indiewebcitizen (twitter.com/_/status/973058293223645184)
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[eddie] Hmm, I got an accepted message from your webmention, mrkrndvs
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[eddie] aaronpk: makes sense! 🙂 I imagine it’ll take a while after so many years of engrained habits
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[eddie] !tell mrkrndvs one odd thing I noticed though, I sent my post as a mention. On your site, the mention only shows my avatar and the avatar links to my author url. Which means I don’t think there is any way to find the article that actually mentioned your post from your post
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Which is fine if you want it that way, but just odd that I could get to my author url but not the post url :)
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@dsup Added bcrypt/argon support, basic composer/psr4 support, and a REPL to gnu/social today! https://git.gnu.io/dansup/gnu-social #gnusocial #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYEQKvHVMAEVLS2.png (twitter.com/_/status/973077187162066944)
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dansup heh
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dansup its been a productive day
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Likes https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb." by Dominik on 2018-03-12 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Lostfocus/WeblogOnly/~3/GQMhDNVtVUQ/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Likes https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb." by Dominik on 2018-03-12 https://lostfocus.de/2018/03/16401/
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@lostfocus Likes re: Citizen of the Indieweb?. http://ift.tt/2DlDMQF (twitter.com/_/status/973123030619738112)
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jeremycherfas It is kind of meta-weird that the link Loqi provides for [aaron davis] Citizen of the Indieweb? piece is still the i pixel image on his comment plugin. I found the correct link via KartikPrabhu
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Aaron Davis wonders "when are you an actual ‘citizen’, that is when do you belong to, in or are a part of the Indieweb?" To" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-03-12 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/aaron-davis-wonders-when-are-you-an-actual-citizen-that
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[kevinmarks] Webmention use case? https://twitter.com/erinbiba/status/972797073614671872?s=19
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@erinbiba There was a time when, if reporters were going to quote you and mention you in their article, they'd at least contact you and let you know ahead of time. Quoting directly from Twitter has eliminated that tradition. I don't love it. (twitter.com/_/status/972797073614671872)
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@brendandawes Really like Webmentions and how it works especially when used with http://brid.gy https://indieweb.org/Webmention The web is a conversation again. (twitter.com/_/status/973152828104630272)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Weniger Social Media, mehr Mensch" by rene@renem.net (René) on 2017-08-12 https://renem.net/post/2017-08-12-weniger-social-media-mehr-mensch/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New Balance Fresh Foam Zante V3 Test Von Runomatic" by rene@renem.net (René) on 2017-08-21 https://renem.net/post/2017-08-22-new-balance-fresh-foam-zante-v3-test-von-runomatic/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "🤔 Citizen of the Indieweb?" https://collect.readwriterespond.com/citizen-of-indieweb/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/2/)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "A Citizen of the IndieWeb" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/11/9/article/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/3/)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Homebrew Microblog Meetup" on 2018-03-12 http://calagator.org/events/1250473405
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Loqi Homebrew Microblog Meetup on Wednesday, Mar 14, 6:00pm at Rogue Eastside Pub & Pilot Brewery
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@keithjgrant @smashingmag Indieauth https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/973197293833936898)
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@calum_ryan #HappyBirthdayWWW Design/write/make something for the web! Homebrew Website Club London is back next month, going East for a change https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180404 (twitter.com/_/status/973208520853278720)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Things I’m thinking about right now" by Randall Bennett on 2018-03-12 https://medium.com/@randallb/things-im-thinking-about-right-now-a5c676960668?source=rss------television-5
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@RelaunchBuch Lektion: Pack dein Zeug nicht in Silos. #indieweb Noch 60 Tage zu lesen: https://krtsrc.com/2FCB3o8 (twitter.com/_/status/973208996567011329)
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swentel [eddie], hi, just wanted to check if my email arrived - unless you're not eddie hinkle, in that case, ignore my question :)
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tantek wow: https://twitter.com/todonnl/status/971024161010315264
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@todonnl We don't know exactly what happened behind the corporate curtains of @hivewaynet and if @officialmcafee is involved, but one thing we know... They unexpectedly close their Frankenstein #Mastodon instance at https://hiveway.net. #hiveway https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnE_rKXcAAOg98.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/971024161010315264)
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[eddie] Hey swentel! I haven’t gotten a chance to respond, but yeah. It’s me!
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tantek good morning to you too [eddie] :)
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[eddie] good morning, tantek!
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tantek wow hiveway.io is down too - just redirects to a vanill wix site
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[eddie] swentel: Definitely, I’m open to it. I think the biggest thing is if you want to name the Android app Indigenous, then you’ll definitely want to focus on matching features when available. (Just because someone seeing the same name would probably expect similar features, etc). But I’m definitely okay with your app being an Indigenous for Android, if you that’s what you would like to do
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tantek that might have been the shortest lived silo / blockchain hype / ICO that I've ever seen
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[eddie] My plan is obviously to eventually build out a landing page for Indigenous at the url (indigenous.abode.pub) so we could make it a dual landing page when you finish the Android version and it would help people find both versions
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KartikPrabhu !tell [mrkrndvs] : Looks like I get a "source not found" error; but my reply seems to have made it somehow?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@krautsource Lektion: Pack dein Zeug nicht in Silos. #indieweb Noch 60 Tage zu lesen: https://krtsrc.com/2FCB3o8 (twitter.com/_/status/973243255382003714)
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[eddie] !tell KartikPrabhu Hmmm I think something is definitely off with your mf2. I just got a webmention “in reply to” my like from your indiewebcitizen post.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] So you posted your post, I liked your post, and then my like received a reply, which was the post the like post liked.
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[eddie] 😕
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aaronpk isn't that a salmention?
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[eddie] Maybe?
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[eddie] Is that how it works?
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aaronpk oh wait no I always get that wrong
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aaronpk that's not part of what you're *supposed* to do when sending salmentions, but it also isn't incorrect, since his post does now link to your "like" post since your "like" post shows up as a comment
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[eddie] The odd thing is webmention io says it’s a reply, even though for my like, I think it would be a mention
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aaronpk oh hmm
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sknebel link?
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[eddie] I don’t think webmention.io has any public links to individual mentions, does it?
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[eddie] https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb this is the post that sent the “reply” to the “like”
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu replied to a post on collect.readwriterespond.com with To me it me...
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[eddie] The webmention.io activity sentance is “Kartik Prabhu commented ‘’ on a post that linked to https://eddiehinkle.com/”
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Loqi Eddie Hinkle
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: aah no sorry, that was my webmention sending code being stupid and sending webmentions to all links
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: [eddie] left you a message 5 minutes ago: Hmmm I think something is definitely off with your mf2. I just got a webmention “in reply to” my like from your indiewebcitizen post.
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KartikPrabhu feel free to delete it. I should really fix it
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[eddie] No worries, as long as you’re aware of it 🙂
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[eddie] Not a big deal, but I figure its always good to give people heads up on stuff. I’ve found out a lot of stuff on my site from consumers giving me the heads up 🙂
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: yes of course
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KartikPrabhu I haven't found a good way to decide which links to send mentions too. I should really not use the existing "comments" I guess
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: one thing I notice in parser output: you claim eddie as an author of your post
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KartikPrabhu wait what!
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sknebel because your small like-displays aren't wrapped in h-entry
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sknebel s
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: whicc post which parser?
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sknebel http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Fnotes%2Fre-citizen-of-indieweb
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu replied to a post on collect.readwriterespond.com with To me it me...
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KartikPrabhu ha! ok will look
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KartikPrabhu lol! yeah
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: ok fixed! thanks
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KartikPrabhu what is like?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi?
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@aaronpk Homebrew Website Club PDX is back, and joining forces with the Microbrew and Microblog meetup! Come to Rogue Eastside this Wednesday for the first "Homebrew Microblog"! https://indieweb.org/events/2018-03-14-homebrew-microblog #indieweb #microblog https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYGyVoMVAAAXkvd.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/973255081519808512)
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gRegorLove Howdy, #indieweb
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sknebel morning gRegorLove!
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[mrkrndvs] KartikPrabhu I added your comment manually. Not quite IndieWeb 😬
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Loqi [mrkrndvs]: [eddie] left you a message 14 hours, 58 minutes ago: one odd thing I noticed though, I sent my post as a mention. On your site, the mention only shows my avatar and the avatar links to my author url. Which means I don’t think there is any way to find the article that actually mentioned your post from your post
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KartikPrabhu [mrkrndvs]: aah! I got the "source not found" both from my webmentionsender and your form at the end of the post
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[mrkrndvs] KartikPrabhu when I pasted your link into the form I got it too. I posted 'old school'. Cut and paste. Not sure what the problem is 🤔
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Aaron Parecki's IndieWeb Summit 2017 Wrap-Up!" by Zach Oglesby on 2017-07-02 https://zach.oglesby.co/2017/07/02/liked-aaron-pareckis-indieweb-summit-2017-wrap-up-ced8cd080f
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KartikPrabhu [mrkrndvs]: yeah just retried with your form and got "Source URL not found" possibly your webmetioned reciever is broken
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KartikPrabhu not sure how other replies got through
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zoglesby Wow fix a bug and a 8 moth old like shows up.
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aaronpk I just saw that!
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb
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aaronpk 👋
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swentel good evening .. ;)
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swentel so, I've started working on an Indigenous a-like app for Android - auth dance works and I can send a post to my micropub endpoint from it now :)
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aaronpk swentel++ amazing!
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swentel aaronpk, thanks! I've send an e-mail to Eddie to check whether I can also name it Indigenous (would seem consistent in a way, and I'm bad in naming), so as I soon a I hear something, I'll put the code online
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swentel and I can start a beta invite program too at some point
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aaronpk naming things is hard
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aaronpk I can sympathize with that
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[eddie] Hey swentel, I forgot to have include the command for Loqi (the bot) to resend my message when you arrived
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[eddie] https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-03-12/1520871998695900
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Loqi [[eddie]] swentel: Definitely, I’m open to it. I think the biggest thing is if you want to name the Android app Indigenous, then you’ll definitely want to focus on matching features when available. (Just because someone seeing the same name would probably ...
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[eddie] https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-03-12/1520872057628100
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Loqi [[eddie]] My plan is obviously to eventually build out a landing page for Indigenous at the url (indigenous.abode.pub) so we could make it a dual landing page when you finish the Android version and it would help people find both versions
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[eddie] Those were the two messages I attempted to send your way earlier 😁
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swentel Oh :)
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swentel [eddie], yeah, the idea is to have all features in the Android version too
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[eddie] Yeah, sounds fine to me then.
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swentel and use the same styling, icons etc, with minor differences depending where it fits better
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Broken in plain sight" http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/broken-plain-sight.htm
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[eddie] Yeah, same concepts, just altered to fit in on a different platform makes sense
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[eddie] I know an Android app has been long desired around here, so it’ll be a welcome addition :)
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swentel hehe, cool
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swentel I'll probably put the code online somewhere next week
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swentel when I have some more basic functionality in
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[eddie] Very cool!
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[eddie] swentel++
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@swentel Started working on an android version of Indigenous. The authentication already works and I can post notes from it, yes! (code online soon) #indieweb #drupal #android (https://realize.be/notes/1241) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYHuwZ_V4AIDfpC.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/973321512110448641)
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swentel heh interesting, the bot scans #indieweb tags?
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[eddie] Haha it does. Loqi does all sorts of great things
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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swentel ok, sleep time, night all
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