#indieweb 2018-03-13

2018-03-13 UTC
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Building an IndieWeb Reader" https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader
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Loqi
[manton] Introducing the Micro Monday microcast
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dansup
I added active orm and a repl to gnu/social :D
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dansup
Working on activitypub + activitystreams 2 support as well
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Building an IndieWeb Reader - Aaron Parecki" by Zach Oglesby on 2018-03-13 https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader
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[snarfed]
dansup: ooh activitypub in gnu social could get it working with https://fed.brid.gy!
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Loqi
Ryan Barrett
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dansup
[snarfed]: yeah, by modernizing with composer/psr4 support, ORM and a REPL it will make it a lot easier to add new features like activitypub
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[kevinmarks]
where's your gnusocial site, @dansup?
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dansup
[kevinmarks] hi, its down for maintenance. It was available on hyperboria only (a decentralized mesh network powered by cjdns)
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tantek
dansup do you mirror from one to the other? or do you have deliberate split of use(s) between them?
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dansup
tantek: Nope, I am planning to import my twitter feed into my own instance once I get it online.
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dansup
I was working on my own gnu/social / mastodon clone (https://i.dansup.xyz/1G0K0I403236) but I think I should help bring gnu/social forward and more competitive with mastodon
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tantek
always a challenging trade-off to make (improve something else, or DIY)
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dansup
Yeah, it has provided me with many great years of service, its the least I can do. Adding bcrypt support kinda hooked me
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dansup
argon2i support for php 7.2, feels awesome contributing bleeding edge features while providing backwards compatibility
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@codebear
@lmorchard there are some thoughts on using webmentions and h-feed for that over at Indieweb
(twtr.io/1baWn6YraKV)
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@genehack
@lmorchard You could just set up an NNTP and look for folks to federate with? Also, I think the IndieWeb folks may have some stuff along these lines.
(twtr.io/1baXhpgEAh9)
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bear
I've wondered if NNTP could be used for this
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tantek
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 139 karma in this channel (199 overall)
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KartikPrabhu
what is NNTP?
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KartikPrabhu
what is NNTP?
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Loqi
Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) is used to connect Usenet news servers and end user client applications https://indieweb.org/NNTP
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jeremycherfas
Good day IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas
Enjoyed your most recent post
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cweiske
should have filed it in "rant"
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jeremycherfas
Heh! But it wasn't a rant; it was a well-reasoned observation.
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dgold
I have to say, I felt the same way, cweiske
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jeremycherfas
You thought it was a rant? Dgold
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dgold
so, I felt it was _not_ a rant
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jeremycherfas
Or you thought it was a well-reasoned observation?
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dgold
s/so/no
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dgold
its is correct - e.g. there's another well-known indieweb proponent who's page does not feature a `side-feed`
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dgold
his h-feed is a wretched mess of \t\t\t\n chars
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jeremycherfas
I think many people think eating their dog's food is actually distasteful.
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jeremycherfas
Reading aaronpk's big post now and I must say, I'm excited to try Monocle etc. But probably not for a little while longer.
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cweiske
splitting feed reader UI and backend makes much sense in my eyes
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cweiske
also solves the mobile problem
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jeremycherfas
Exciting times.
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dgold
exciting indeed
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dgold
not even counting the political world.
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[kevinmarks]
Also, backend is very amenable to sharing between users - reduces the number of feed fetches
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cweiske
is anyone mirroring the issues of his github projects?
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aaronpk
I still want a simple issue tracker that supports h-entry/webmention and stuff. for now I've been posting issues and comments on my website and syndicating them to github.
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snarfed
a few more people are posseing/backfeeding now that bridgy supports github
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Zegnat
declares log bankruptcy
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Zegnat
Hellow IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas
Hello Zegnat
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Zegnat
Hiya jeremycherfas
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ancarda
https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579 -- Let's Encrypt has launched support for wildcard SSL certificates!
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KartikPrabhu
what is lets encrypt?
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ancarda
This may not be as popular as regular Let's Encrypt because it seems you need to use a DNS TXT record -- I'm not sure what that looks like in terms of automation. I host on Linode, who have -- I think -- a 15 minute delay to update their DNS servers, so if I add a new record, it may not be live for some time
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sknebel
-> #dev
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ancarda
There's an API, so it can be done, but I have no idea if it would timeout
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KartikPrabhu
linkedin!
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KartikPrabhu
that is an odd place to post about indieweb
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dgold
C|N>K
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sknebel
I think I remember someone having POSSE to linkedin
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Loqi
Ravi Sagar
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aaronpk
unintended side effect of posting checkins to my website, now my website has started to rank in the search results for some of the businesses
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sknebel
so when do we have to start looking for "own this business? click here" links on your checkins? 😂
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aaronpk
hahaha
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Loqi
ahaha
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jmac
What's the consensus on the need to moderate incoming Webmentions? I don't think I saw this explicitly stated in the spec, but it seems that you'd need to have to hand-approve of queued mentions prior to rendering them on your own site, lest you unwittingly republish nasty spam-ads?
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aaronpk
personal preference
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aaronpk
so far there's been one instance of targeted spam from webmention, it was to adactio's website, and he just deleted the comments when he found them
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aaronpk
some people do moderate every incoming webmention
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jmac
I'd be interested if best practices for Webmention spam-management emerge. I imagine it's a bit too early in the game for that just yet.
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jmac
(Also, I really want to start saying "W8n" or something. Maybe I'll just make a keyboard shortcut for myself.)
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sknebel
WM/WMs is a common short form
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jmac
ah, good enough
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sknebel
there have been some thoughts on anti-spam features, but as you say it's to early for there to be pressure to develop them
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sknebel
Wordpress AFAIK by default treats them like other comments, so they get spam-filtered through whatever is setup there
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sknebel
What is Vouch?
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Loqi
The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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sknebel
there's that idea ^^^
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jmac
Cool.
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sknebel
a related issue is avoiding to be used for the same trick as with pingback-DDoS (someone sending tons of fake WMs to many sites, which then all go and fetch the target site for verification, overloading it)
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jmac
Yeah, and I *did* see that the WM spec speficially advises queueing and processing wms asynchronously to avoid that, which impressed me.
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bear
good news for those using LetsEncrypt (well and for anyone who needs wildcard certs...) -- https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579
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Zegnat
I think there was some discussion about it in #indieweb-dev bear :)
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bear
ah - I looked back a few hours but didn't see anything - wanted to make sure people saw it
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Zegnat
idly wonders what reasons there are for *not* using wildcard certs for everything
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Zegnat
Probably also a subject for -dev )
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snarfed1
Zegnat: 1) security compartmentalization, 2) cost and effort to get them (at least historically)
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snarfed
historically
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snarfed
er. probably others too
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bear
I will often use single host certs for security - but then I also make sure that I check SAN and other metadata for matches
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snarfed
but agreed, for within individual security contexts (e.g. a set of internal tools at a company), they're nice
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@kevinmarks
@kellan The #Indieweb is here for you. Post on your site, accept answers to the questions as webmentions. Or go back to nntp
(twtr.io/1bcC1TGaMfG)
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@kellan
@kevinmarks What is the indieweb protocol for making people engage with my struggling attempts to express myself?
(twtr.io/1bcC8FXqp1s)
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@kevinmarks
@kellan You can POSSE to twitter, that will get you so much "engagement" . Then the #Indieweb will send you webmentions via http://brid.gy and you get to decide which ones are visible.
(twtr.io/1bcCQDia8w_)
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