#indieweb 2018-03-31

2018-03-31 UTC
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@unoabraham Why to IndieWeb? https://ift.tt/2GsbDtt (twitter.com/_/status/979927820695736321)
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jjuran https://9to5google.com/2018/03/30/google-url-shortener-shut-down/
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jjuran “Google shutting down goo.gl URL shortener next year, existing links will keep working”
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@josemurilo ↩️ It's been only 3 days. #Switter #Mastodon #sesta #fosta #censorship #indieweb #redecentralize https://t.co/qXRo4b3jTA (twitter.com/_/status/980029898701115392)
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cweiske !tell aaronpk https://scripter.co/convert-seconds-to-human-time/#webmentions received a webmention written with quill and hosted on commentpara.de. kaushalmodi has a "write a comment" button under the blog posts that enabled that
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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skippy that's pretty neat.
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skippy anyone using Omnibear? Specificially, anyone using it for creating new full-content posts (with titles) rather than just repost/like/etc?
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cweiske no, I only use it for replies + likes
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skippy Well, the Omnibear.com site specifically says "Repost, like, or reply to anything online.". So I suspect making a feature request to allow for full entry support would be closed "WONTFIX".
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cweiske oh, it already the ability to create new posts. so adding a feature request for post titles would be ok I think
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skippy https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear/issues/67
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Loqi [skpy] #67 Full entry support?
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petermolnar every single time RSS comes up, someone will still "but Atom is better", another someone will "JSONfeed because it's 2018" - and I'm just looking at parser libs, parsing rss, atom, json, mf2... it's 2018, in the end. I wasn't there when the format wars started, but it will never end, will it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16721690
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Loqi [kawera] It's time to head back to RSS?
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pjz I thought Atom got dubbed RSS 2 or 3 or something, as the original RSS creators recognized that it fixed some problems in RSS
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pjz might be misremembering though
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petermolnar no, they are 2 different views on the same problem, both xml though; see https://indieweb.org/RSS_Atom_wars
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: yeah it is a neverending argument which is not very useful
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[kevinmarks] Unmung.com will turn the both into h-feed for you
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skippy Atom 4eva! :grin:
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skippy Atom always appealed to me because it had Atompub, with an explicit recognition that one dialect could be used for consuming and creating. But it's still gnarly XML and hard to use. :(
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dgold petermolnar: but its only a war if you fight it
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petermolnar it's a war anyway, eating up resources and people who could be working in something useful instead; me taking part in it or not will not change that, unfortunately
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@ravisagar Implemented GPS based location checkins on my Drupal site #IndieWeb http://go.ravi.pro/upcvt (twitter.com/_/status/980166164348272640)
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[kevinmarks] I have spent more time than most people dealing with feed parsing.
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[kevinmarks] It was pretty much my Jon for 3 years
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[kevinmarks] *job
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[kevinmarks] Atom is better designed than rss, but there are so many ways people mess them both up that you end up parsing them empirically anyway
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dansup just support both like gnusocial, heh
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davy_ Hi. Could anyone help me understand indieAuth? I have a few questions...
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davy_ I'm not sure If I'm in the right channel for this
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@cswordpress ↩️ @jasontucker @JJJ Agree with Jason. Go full indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/980201483261169664)
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KartikPrabhu welcome davy_
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KartikPrabhu I could try
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davy_ Great, thanks!
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davy_ I suppose my main question is this: Do I need an account on some third party silo to use it? When reading off the indiewebcamp wiki or IndieAuth.com the first step mentioned to getting things set up is to put a rel="me" tag on your site and do the same on twitter or github
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davy_ Actually, I'm getting ahead of myself. A better question is: what is it's typical use case? Would I be using indieauth the create an account with some other website or to sign in?
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KartikPrabhu davy_: that is currently the easiest option for most people using indieauth.com. But if you want to avoid that indieauth.com also can use a PGP key https://indieauth.com/pgp
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Loqi IndieAuth.com
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KartikPrabhu the typical use is to login to another site with your domain name
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KartikPrabhu for example the indieweb.org
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KartikPrabhu another example is the notes posting interface on https://quill.p3k.io/
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Loqi Quill
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davy_ Ok. I think I get it. I'll give setting it up by pgp a shot.
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KartikPrabhu you can also not use indieauth.com but setup your own authorization server using the same indieauth-protocol. Not too sure about the details of that though
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KartikPrabhu maybe aaronpk can be more helpful
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davy_ That could be interesting. I think I might go ahead with IndieAuth.com for the time being, and then work on that when I have a better understanding of it. Baby steps, as they say.
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KartikPrabhu davy_: yes!
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KartikPrabhu which is also why indieauth.com differs to github or twitter since that is easier for most people to setup
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tantek good day #indieweb!
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tantek notes the RSS vs Atom war in the logs today which typical users couldn't give AF about
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tantek please take the format (wars) discussions to #indieweb-dev :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: most people already have Twitter or GitHub accounts, and most people with their own sites already have visible hyperlinks to their Twitter or GitHub profiles.
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tantek I wonder if that should go in an IndieAuth FAQ
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KartikPrabhu possibly
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tantek KartikPrabhu: could you add a new "How to setup with PGP" subsection here: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#How_to
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tantek with what you suggested above?
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tantek what is selfauth
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in PHP which is easy for anyone to get running https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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KartikPrabhu tantek: not sure I am qualified to add PGP anywhere :P
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tantek but you just suggested it as an answer
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KartikPrabhu yes by searching existing stuff
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KartikPrabhu I have never used it
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tantek KartikPrabhu: ok I wrote up an FAQ for the first question that was asked in that sequence above: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Do_I_need_a_silo_account
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tantek right. you can write up a "how to" as suggested by searching existing stuff and linking to it, just as you did in chat, but on the wiki
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rev3rse what is this about PGP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this about PGP" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "this about PGP is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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rev3rse doh
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tantek this about PGP is /PGP
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is this about PGP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this about PGP" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "this about PGP is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek caching
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tantek what is this about PGP?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/this_about_PGP
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tantek what is this about PGP?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/this_about_PGP
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tantek so close. one more try
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tantek what is this about PGP?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/this_about_PGP
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tantek and presumably caching again
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tantek what is this about PGP?
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Loqi OpenPGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a message exchange format that uses public key cryptography to enable people to exchange encrypted and/or signed data https://indieweb.org/this_about_PGP
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tantek fixed. that took more work than expected
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davy_ whee! I'm delighted. I used selfauth and tested it on indieauth.com Worked a charm. I've now successfully logged in to the wiki. Thanks for the help!
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tantek davy_++ awesome!
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Loqi davy has 1 karma in this channel (96 overall)
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tantek try adding yourself to indieweb.org/irc-people
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for March 24th - 30th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/03/31/195240/ (twitter.com/_/status/980232138049060865)