#indieweb 2018-04-23

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@gordtanner ↩️ @RobDrimmie @tonious Gonna spend some time researching the #indieweb, feeling more and more that this is needed (twitter.com/_/status/988216241155461120)
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@hahnrobert I am inspired, after seeing a conversation about the indieweb, to say that I am thinking about what the ideal website for photos should look like. Want to self-host; support for reading/displaying EXIF data; gorgeous templates; easy & secure uploads; support for microblogging. (twitter.com/_/status/988221176890691584)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ The nice thing about static site generators is that the maintenance tax is decoupled from keeping the site up. You may encounter it when you add a new post #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/988225390048096257)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @gordtanner @tonious @RobDrimmie A good mapping from Anil's wishlist to actual tools is at https://indieweb.org/lost_infrastructure (twitter.com/_/status/988230933844283397)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @gordtanner @tonious @RobDrimmie See also http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/988231219325341696)
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jacky s///
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jacky agh
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Jeena Good morning, I'd like to get in contact with https://david.shanske.com/about/ but I have no idea on how to do it without using Twitter/Facebook or other silos.
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Jeena There is no email address and I have no idea if a webmention to his domain will show up semewhere where he can see it
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[mrkrndvs] Just finished listening to IndieWeb Podcast #002
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[mrkrndvs] GWG ++
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@schmarty At @TheWebConf today or Tuesday? Do you post to your personal site? Find me for an @indiewebcamp sticker! https://t.co/A1bhXJN40R (twitter.com/_/status/988305165529776128)
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Jeena Hehe and it's not that easy to find out his IRC name either, you have to go to the irc-people page and open the source code of it and ctrl-f for his website there and then read the HTML to find out that it's GWG!
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Jeena !tell GWG I commented on your podcast and listed some bugs https://jeena.net/notes/926 the webmention didn't show up (yet, perhaps you're moderating them?)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jeena] I love the podcast, I didn't know that it was needed that badly but just listening to people talking about IndieWeb technology and questions I realize that it's so much easier for me to listen to long ass podcasts for hours than read pages and pages ...
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[chrisaldrich] Jeena, GWG does receive Webmentions and will surely read the logs here to catch your note in the morning when New York wakes up.
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[chrisaldrich] It's odd how we often identify people with screen names sometimes and not their real names and thus don't know who they are by the alternates...
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[chrisaldrich] If you're desperate for the other episodes I've got feeds available at http://boffosocko.com/tag/an-indieweb-podcast/ or specifically at http://boffosocko.com/tag/an-indieweb-podcast/feed/
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[chrisaldrich] I know he/we have been dogfooding audio posts while doing these episodes
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tantek who is GWG?
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Loqi David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indieweb.org/User:David.shanske.com
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tantek who is david.shanske.com?
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tantek hmm I thought that worked
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[chrisaldrich] Would be nice to have reverse lookup...
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[pfefferle] who is Matthias Pfefferle
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[pfefferle] who is pfefferle
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Notiz.blog
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tantek [pfefferle]: for the "who is" to work you need an h-card on your User: page - e.g. GWG's page has an h-card
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tantek or is dfn
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tantek maybe both?
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tantek try both :)
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[chrisaldrich] I think I'm using a variation of a template gRegorLove made.
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[chrisaldrich] Who is Chris Aldrich?
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tantek who is chrisaldrich
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Loqi Chris Aldrich (photo) Chris Aldrich is a talent manager, producer, and publisher who lives in Los Angeles, California. He tinkers on (read: breaks) the IndieWeb in his spare time. http://boffosocko.com Elsewhere: @chrisaldrich, /chrisaldrich, GitHub, ALL the rest https://indieweb.org/User:Boffosocko.com
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tantek there you go
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[pfefferle] who is pfefferle
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Loqi Matthias Pfefferle is a Webworker from Germany, working on several IndieWeb plugins/themes for WordPress https://indieweb.org/User:Notiz.blog
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tantek !rt https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/988230933844283397
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[chrisaldrich] !rt https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/988230933844283397
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Loqi Thanks [chrisaldrich] and tantek! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/988311581040656384
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Zegnat GWG should probably just introduce himself on the podcast with his IRC name as well
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Zegnat I think I have always tagged my IRC handle to my introductions at IWC. Makes sense to me. And I will happily respond to people using my IRC handle in real life.
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[chrisaldrich] It sure seems painful to need to register one's podcast feed with dozens of services to get it listed in them for easier subscriptions.
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[chrisaldrich] I would think on mobile that there would be something that could recognize a feed and register it to your preferred app automatically somewhat like the way subtome works.
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[chrisaldrich] I wonder how Adactio managed things for multiple listings within Huffduffer?
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Zegnat adactio puts links for different podcast apps for every huffduffer feed.
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Zegnat See https://huffduffer.com/adactio/#subscribe
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Zegnat I do now wonder if any of those work for my podcast app
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Zegnat Non of those names ring a bell, are they all iOS podcatchers?
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Zegnat Interesting. The “Subscribe in Podcasts app” works for Pocket Casts on Android.
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[chrisaldrich] Yes many of those are ios specific
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[chrisaldrich] Not only does the "subscribe in podcasts app" work but it maps to your default app for that.
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[chrisaldrich] At least on android
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Zegnat Where is that documented? As I am seeing Android apps all need to register their protocols.
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Zegnat AntennaPod specifically registers for both itpc (iTunes) and pcasts (Podcast App) schemes: https://github.com/AntennaPod/AntennaPod/blob/9d3d92cc9d98a908a5e2147aee0c6d5cb6b4db47/app/src/main/AndroidManifest.xml#L322-L323
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Zegnat What is podcast?
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Loqi A podcast is an episodic series of audio and/or video posts that can be subscribed to and downloaded for offline listening/viewing https://indieweb.org/podcast
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[chrisaldrich] It would be nice if one could be more easily listed on things like stitcher, tunein radio, pandora, and Spotify, especially since Amazon echo and Google home use many of those for allowing voice controlled listening and potential discovery.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm using antenna pod as my app of choice currently.
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Zegnat I used it for a while but never got used to it. I think Pocket Casts is very polished and does a great job
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cweiske also uses antennapod
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[chrisaldrich] I've used and liked both. I do wish I could sync data across both/many so I could pick and choose depending on my need at the moment.
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps something microsub will solve eventually...
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Zegnat Wasn’t gpodder trying to solve that?
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[chrisaldrich] Not sure...
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cweiske I use gpodder to sync play positions to the tablet
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich]: I just added https://indieweb.org/podcast#How_to_create_a_subscribe_link
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[chrisaldrich] I'd be more functional if I weren't on my mobile right now. Thanks Zegna!
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[chrisaldrich] Probably time to sleep anyway. Good night all!
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Zegnat Have a good one [chrisaldrich]!
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[kevinmarks] I think antennapos registers a regex against all urls to look for likely feeds too
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[chrisaldrich] Maybe I'll do more with subscriptions for my listens/faux-cast now too https://boffosocko.com/2018/03/08/podcasts-of-things-ive-listened-to-or-want-to-listen-to/
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Zegnat Haven’t seen straight up regex, [kevinmarks], but they sure register against a lot of things. mimeTypes, URLs ending in frequently used file extensions for feeds, anything hosted on feedburner, and the list goes on
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dgold stitcher & tuneIn aren't Podcatchers, though
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dgold they're podcast platforms, and they inject their advertising into _your_ audio
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@cathieleblanc Working on #IndieAuth for my new #IndieWeb site. Had to completely delete the web site from my Twitter profile and then add it again in order to get the rel=me to be recognized by IndieAuth. (twitter.com/_/status/988358258300768256)
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Cathie cathie
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dgold o/
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@cathieleblanc The problem with #IndieAuth signin for #IndieWeb was that I had mismatches between http and https. Need to be consistent! (twitter.com/_/status/988375735982350336)
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[kevinmarks] Feels like indieauth should flag that
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cweiske "I found an URL that looks very similar to the URL you gave me"
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[jgmac1106] Is there a common #indieweb bumper folks use for podcasts and tutorials?
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dgold what is bumper
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bumper" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "bumper is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@JmacDotOrg I released a couple of Perl modules over the weekend that implement a couple of IndieWeb core concepts, allowing me to “backfeed” reactions from Twitter and elsewhere onto my blog posts. Still digging down that rabbit hole. #🐇🕳 http://fogknife.com/2018-04-22-announcing-two-new-indieweb-modules-for-perl.html (twitter.com/_/status/988387076965109760)
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[jgmac1106] [dgold] that 5-10 seconds at start of video with a brand and occasional jingle
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ Précis of my next IndieWeb post: This years-old group, with multiple W3C recommendations to its credit, is really onto something. But it labors in near-complete obscurity. None of my web-nerd colleagues had heard of it before I did, this year. I want to help raise its voice. (twitter.com/_/status/988389961622843392)
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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cweiske hiho
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jeremycherfas Some recent weirdness on instagram/ownyourgram. A photo https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh4rNaUBcQ8/?taken-by=eatthispodcast came back to my site https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/what-was-i-thinking with the single word "Array" in the caption. Title was fine. I know there have been changes in the API at IG, wonder whether this is part of that.
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] What was I thinking? #latergram https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/a5e23861564a97e8be8d1864cb444e14/5B7AFD2A/t51.2885-15/e35/30592900_160550884639984_7097005330004967424_n.jpg
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jeremycherfas Hello cweiske
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aaronpk that is strange jeremycherfas
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aaronpk has your Known site been updated recently?
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jeremycherfas I agree; that is why I raised it here. There have been no changes in Known.
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aaronpk on ownyourgram.com check the "micropub settings" at the bottom of the dashboard. i'm guessing that's set to "JSON" right now?
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jeremycherfas A photo posted the previous day does not show the word "Array".
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jeremycherfas Interesting; I had been signed out of OYG.
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[jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] my Known instance was throwing similar error when I tried photo uploads this weekend
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jeremycherfas Micropub setting Multipart Upload.
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jeremycherfas Multiple photos, send all photos
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[jgmac1106] But that was through Indigenous on Android so probably unrelated
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aaronpk jeremycherfas: looks like Known found the photo caption and put it as the title of the post, i'm guessing that "Array" is from the instagram hashtags? did the previous photo that worked have any hashtags?
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jeremycherfas Aha! It is definitely linked to the presence of hashtags.
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jeremycherfas But I had never noticed it before. Goes back at least a month, and feel like I would have noticed it.
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@kevinmarks Nice reminder on how to start blogging again. Your first step on the #Indieweb? https://twitter.com/ashleyscorpio/status/988393594812882946 (twitter.com/_/status/988399809185886208)
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@petermolnar ↩️ @ashleyscorpio How about owning your blogging instead? https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Set_up_your_site (twitter.com/_/status/988400449874284544)
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petermolnar ^^^ deleted this one, I acted too early not reading the whole article
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi good morning
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jmac It looks like some wag immediately tested my blog's new manual-webmention form by pasting in the post's own URL and then watching in satisfaction as my blog proceeded to eat its own head. (Yes, I see the line in the Webmention spec I missed, now...)
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cweiske raises hand
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jmac thanks buddy
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jmac (Actually)
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cweiske also take care of #anchors
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cweiske in urls
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jmac Yeah, I saw the #foo. :)
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cweiske mostly gets you around the uniqueness-check
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jmac Time for some good old fashioned fixing-in-production
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petermolnar webmention-bomb
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petermolnar like bash fork-bomb
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jmac Do I understand correctly that a webmention with source "http://example.com/page-1" and target "http://example.com/page-2", all things being equal, is not automatically invalid?
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petermolnar ("hey, I mentioned myself, and again, look again....!)
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aaronpk jmac: correct, I webmention my own pages all the time
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jmac cool
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cweiske my blog also mentions my blog on deployment
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cweiske jmac, why an infinite loop? I don't understand that
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jmac cweiske: Beg pardon?
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cweiske you said fork bomb
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jmac No, petermolnar did
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cweiske ah, right
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jmac I'm sitting here rewiring my dumb off-spec module because you looked at it funny, no time for jokes
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jmac srs bznz
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jmac Updated, and credited cweiske in changelog. :) https://metacpan.org/release/JMAC/Web-Mention-0.3
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@PrincessSierra ↩️ @getIndieBill indieservices indiecontent indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/988435132607426561)
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ben_thatmustbeme peaks.... does it support vouch jmac?
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Zegnat What is vouch?
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Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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jmac ben_thatmustbeme: This is the first I've heard of it, so nope!
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swentel ooh
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swentel very interesting
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swentel I was thinking about that recently
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swentel I create comments sometimes
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jmac "How do you prevent spam though?" was one of my first questions about WM back when I first found it a couple months ago
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swentel but they are moderated always
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swentel and just allowing by author name is a bit dangerous I guess
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ben_thatmustbeme well, allowing by URL should be fine
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ben_thatmustbeme but yes, mostly thus far it has been all whitelist / blacklist or manual moderation for people
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jmac Vouch may have been mentioned to me, but the consensus answer was closer to "Webmention is still young and rather obscure so it's not really a problem... yet"
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jmac yup
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ben_thatmustbeme true, but making sure underlying tools support the needed pieces is good for when it does become an issue
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Zegnat has received 1 vouched mention
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@getIndieBill ↩️ Some proposals so far (make it known if you love some of them! :) ) : IndieServices IndieContent IndieWeb IndieBiz Indieclips IndieBob IndieStore (twitter.com/_/status/988436874208391168)
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jmac This wiki page could use some examples of valid vouch-y wm requests
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jmac So the idea is that the receiving website would have a private, permanent store of domains that it accepts as vouch-values?
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @getIndieBill Indieweb is already taken, so would confuse people even more. (twitter.com/_/status/988438393381146624)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ There is a thriving community of web developers called IndieWeb (visit us at http://indieweb.org!), so maybe not take that name? We love independent websites. I would love to see more independent adult entertainers run their own sites. But lets not compete in branding! ❤️ (twitter.com/_/status/988438557621616640)
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Zegnat Woops, [kevinmarks] beat me to it
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aaronpk yours was better Zegnat :)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ Oops, @kevinmarks beat me to it! If you wondering where we are all popping up from, mentioning IndieWeb gets your tweet into our chat. (twitter.com/_/status/988439500195090433)
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Zegnat That’ll do. I don’t like giving the impression that we all suddenly swarm in to protect our brand.
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aaronpk haha
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Zegnat Ha. I have been applying for jobs recently, and I see they are hiring. Maybe I should shoot them an email!
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@matthilt @dshanske Any chance of an update to this post? Specifically, how plugins work together to get your content across other services like Twitter and Instagram. Have you automated everything? > How I Set Up My Indieweb WordPress Site (twitter.com/_/status/988442915520249856)
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[matthilt] OK that was trippy.
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Zegnat We call it magic ;)
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[matthilt] I believe you.
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[matthilt] I assumed it was because I posted a link to his site from mine, but it was because my site put it on Twitter.
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[matthilt] The more you know...
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[kevinmarks] superfeedr might find the original later
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[kevinmarks] hm https://oggcamp.org/
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@petermolnar ↩️ Are you familiar with https://indieweb.org ? There's a group of people there actively working on this problem; it just needs more attention. (twitter.com/_/status/988451080953622529)
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[kevinmarks] https://www.wired.com/story/whats-not-included-in-facebooks-download-your-data/
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@MzKimAP ↩️ @getIndieBill Indiestore or indiebiz or IndieWeb. These sound the most professional. (twitter.com/_/status/988455985449586688)
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aaronpk protip: maybe search around a little bit to see if a name you're considering is already in use
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[kevinmarks] in soviet indieweb, names search you
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tantek lol
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snarfed also in "unique names are hard," https://github.com/wagoodman/bridgy 😄
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Loqi [wagoodman] bridgy: cloud inventory + ssh + tmux + sshfs
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snarfed (started july 2017)
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jmac I'm still pondering Vouch. It seems to me that a website could not insist on Vouched webmention and have a manual-WM form at the same time? (Unless you want to have *two* textfields, the second for "And now, just to be safe, give me a URL that links to that first URL you pasted in", which, lol.)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ There's a number of ways of doing this typically under the titles of POSSE or PESOS. Some for WordPress are documented here: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Plugins#POSSE_Plugins Specifically for Instagram, I think the majority use OwnYourGram. Typically the more control… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/matthilt-theres-a-number-of-ways-of-doing-this-typically (twitter.com/_/status/988461317282508800)
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jmac Hmm. I guess you'd wanna mitigate that by sending vouch-failures into an approval queue for a human to review, but insta-approve vouched-for mentions
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jmac And thus gradually build up permanent allow & deny domain-lists
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tantek jmac - I think you could support vouch and still have/start with a manual WM form - let's take this to #indieweb-dev for how
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aaronpk I've started using TripIt, and now I really want that on my website
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[kevinmarks] silo sins: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/988460826486104065
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@Spacekatgal This checks out. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dbe33JtU8AE7hHd.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/988460826486104065)
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tantek wow
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petermolnar why is netflix a silo?
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petermolnar it's not user generated, it doesn't even have "basic" social network features
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tantek petermolnar it is a silo for /want lists to watch movies & TV shows, and /like posts of movies & TV shows
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tantek feel free to add that to /Netflix#FAQ if you like :)
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petermolnar I disagree here, netflix is just a content provider, not a silo
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tantek petermolnar, no it is both
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tantek it's a very thin silo, but still a silo
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tantek oh also of /watch posts of movies & TV shows
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tantek since it keeps your viewing history
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aaronpk i have a *lot* of history in netflix and i would be very sad if it went away
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aaronpk i've exported the web page that shows all the history a couple times as a backup
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tantek saying "I disagree" does not dispute the facts of my argument petermolnar - do you have a substantial counterargument?
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petermolnar thinking how to put it into words
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petermolnar ok, I accept it; silo it is; the initial argument is mostly a "why it's on the same list as social media", and I got lost in silo/social media distinction
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petermolnar what is silo?
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Loqi A silo, or web content hosting silo, in the context of the IndieWeb, is a centralized web site typically owned by a for-profit corporation that stakes some claim to content contributed to it and restricts access in some way (has walls) https://indieweb.org/silo
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tantek yeah there is nothing social media about Netflix AFAIK
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[kevinmarks] there was at one point - you could see what your friends liked
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petermolnar on the note of silo features: https://www.deviantart.com/timeline/
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tantek that's a nice UI - would love to see something similar for https://indieweb.org/timeline - perhaps with different rows and color coding for the various types of timeline events (C, T, E, I, L, S)
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tantek btw petermolnar if timeline documentation interests you, take a look at https://indieweb.org/timeline#Needs_Dates_and_incorporation_above and see if there are things you can quickly add to /timeline - definitely a lot there to document, and every incremental item added helps!
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petermolnar oh god, that looks like proper archaeological work to do
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tantek some of it is very easy, especially the recent stuff and stuff published on W3.org
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tantek (like clicking a few links deep and copy pasting date-specific URLs)
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tantek feel free to pick the easy ones :)
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petermolnar I will pick a few, but certainly not today
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petermolnar do we have the chatlogs in a downloadable format somewhere?
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tantek no problem - whenever you feel like it! especially if there's a technology or event etc that you're particularly familiar with or appreciate
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tantek I believe they're all in github
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petermolnar especially the ones I don't have from before 2013? 2014?
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petermolnar found it
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petermolnar thank you
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[jgmac1106] why not make a timeline in timelinejs and embed it? They look super nice
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aaronpk i think that deviantart one *is* timelinejs
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aaronpk just slightly restyled
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aaronpk https://timeline.knightlab.com/
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[kevinmarks] https://2018.open.coop/
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petermolnar what is js;dr?
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indieweb.org/js;dr
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petermolnar there :)
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[kevinmarks] Indie Web sounds like a platform cooperative to mw
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[matthilt] I know there is a #bridgy channel, but it looks like its all build info. Should I ask a Bridgy question there?
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Zegnat Probably #indieweb-dev if you have technical questions.
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Zegnat Maybe asking for help in #bridgy would work too, don’t know who is there
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aaronpk #bridgy is fine, I know snarfed will see stuff there
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aaronpk it's all build stuff cause nobody has asked a bridgy question there in a while :)
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[matthilt] OK thanks guys.
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[matthilt] I'm still trying to wrap my head around it all before asking what might be a dumb question.
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tantek matthilt - no dumb questions, only insufficient documentation :)
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tantek what is bridgy
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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tantek what is Bridgy
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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aaronpk that's a great line
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tantek really? I was thinking it sounded a bit too jargony and was wondering how we could make easier to understand
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aaronpk i mean the line about insufficient documentation
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tantek oh ok :)
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tantek even insufficient doesn't quite capture it, because it could be documented but too jargony, or too wordy to read (tl;dr). will have to think about a better way of expressing it.
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aaronpk i think "too jargony" falls under "insufficient"
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aaronpk "insufficient" doesn't have to refer to just quantity
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Jeena GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 230 karma in this channel (334 overall)
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Zegnat Jeena, I may be down to Gothenburg a couple of times in the coming weeks. Any interest in a HWC some day?
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Jeena Yeah totally! I'm in Berlin this week but back on friday, after that I can basically every day after work
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@jgmac1106 Exercise Good Digital Hygiene #indieweb #teachtheweb http://youtu.be/SO2zVkCOMW0?hd=1 (twitter.com/_/status/988487074293731328)
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Jeena Tell me once you know then I'll organize one and add it to meetup.com where many are signed up but it was a long time ago we had one because I don't have that much time over.
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Zegnat Gothenburg is usually just out of my way too much. But there are no IT companies I can apply for work to here in the outback, thus I am travelling Southwards a bit more. I’ll send you an email when I know about the next time I’m heading down!
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Jeena Cool, what kind of work are you looking for?
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Zegnat Any? Ha. You know what, I’ll mail you about that too! Maybe you have some ideas :)
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Jeena sure, do that!
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tantek Jeena! Any chance of making it over for IWS in Portland in June? (could chat in #indieweb-meta too)
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[eddie] aaronpk and tantek: Speaking of netflix, I have been steadily manually creating watch posts on my site based on Netflix watch history
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aaronpk nice
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Zegnat I should look into YouTube watch history again. I really don’t like how they removed that from their API
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[kevinmarks] Growth above all issues http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/dan-mccomas-reddit-product-svp-and-imzy-founder-interview.html
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Jeena tantek, sadly not really this year, but I should plan it some time, I'd love to go back to portland again, I just need to plan it well so I can join something like that there.
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tantek Jeena, perhaps remote participation?
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Jeena Yeah, that might be possible, absolutelly.
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Jeena But I also should plan it for next year, together with a long vaccation on the US west coast, perhaps get a motorcycle or something :p
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Jeena Btw. yesterday I gave a talk at the scandinavian Free and Open Source conference called foss-north, I spoke about automating your home with Home Assistant, I published the video here https://jeena.net/fossnorth2018 if someone is interested in that topic.
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Loqi [Jeena] foss-north 2018 My talk on home automation
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Jeena It's kind of a beginner level.
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skippy Home Assistant looks so neat, but also so overwhelming.
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Jeena skippy, I started with one light bulb ;)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I'll send along special thanks to simple open web standards and the IndieWeb community for vastly improving my online communication. http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/23/9000-comments-and-reactions/ (twitter.com/_/status/988543448507498496)
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GWG Did someone say Home Assistant?
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Loqi GWG: Jeena left you a message 15 hours, 47 minutes ago: I commented on your podcast and listed some bugs https://jeena.net/notes/926 the webmention didn't show up (yet, perhaps you're moderating them?)
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GWG I use it and integrated it into my website
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@EddieHinkle @johnbrayton Adding Microsub servers would be an excellent addition to Unread! Microsub is a client-Server communication spec that allows for people to host their own RSS feeds and use different clients to see the data: https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec (twitter.com/_/status/988546941687562241)
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