#indieweb 2018-05-13

2018-05-13 UTC
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@artlung you should listen to @busblog. spirit of the #indieweb kicking out the jams. everything in here is true http://busblog.tonypierce.com/2018/04/why-i-dont-care-if-you-dont-like-this-blog-by-tony-pierce.html (twitter.com/_/status/995460954052640768)
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[jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] As I said if you use the bookmark post-kind for all your newsletter entries plus a plug like above your blog becomes newsletter
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[jgmac1106] But yes a newsletter post-kind would be cool.
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GWG jgmac1106, what are the properties of a newsletter post?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "indiepay.me" https://unicyclic.com/mal/2018-05-13-indiepayme
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jgmac1106 [gwg] You would want to control order. I thought originally doing this by post-date but that doesn’t make sense the biggest story or item may not be chronological, but that is more publishing the newsletter.
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KartikPrabhu sounds like a collection post
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KartikPrabhu what is collection?
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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jgmac1106 I think in most cases a bookmark would work. Possibly a p-summary to be the snippet before the read more in the newsletter
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jgmac1106 I am not the person to ask. Never started the newsletter thing
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That is what I was thinking. Or the series stuff I was doing.
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KartikPrabhu I don't understand the difference between collection and series
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KartikPrabhu what is series?
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Loqi series is a set of posts with an order defined by the author https://indieweb.org/series
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[mrkrndvs] Collection is perfect
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I never quite figured out how to define it well
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jgmac1106 [mrknvds] Yeah I am not even sure an entire new newsletter plug in is needed, though I never rely on WordPress mail if I am sending ton of email
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jgmac1106 A series would be a group of collections
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KartikPrabhu what!
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KartikPrabhu why build postypes on topof postypes!?
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jgmac1106 That is what I would do, so my newsletter is a series, each week is a collection
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jgmac1106 didn’t say it had to be a post type. You can call something “something” without making it “something” Didn’t realize series and collections were each a post-type in the wild
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Actually, in my system, series is a taxonomy.
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GWG Not a type of post.
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KartikPrabhu I don't know if a series is a post type in the wild
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KartikPrabhu GWG: no idea what that means
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GWG KartikPrabhu: In WordPress, it is a grouping of posts.
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jgmac1106 I could see wanting multiple newsletters “series” one for each esoteric hobby in my life
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KartikPrabhu now everything is sounding like "groups pf posts" to me
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GWG KartikPrabhu: A collection is a post that lists or embeds other posts. I didn't do that. But either way, I wouldn't worry.
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KartikPrabhu I am not worried
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[mrkrndvs] [jgmac1106] I think that I will go with a collection. I see 'series' as being something topic / theme based. I agree with your point about added plugins. My only question is how would I support people to sign up to my newsletter? Wouldn't I need a plugin at least for that. Personally, I don't care too much for all the added templates etc that they provide.
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jgmac1106 I use a subscriber plug-in, one bit of shortcode, but I haven’t pushed it in years
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jgmac1106 probably shift to wordpress channel
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@davidlaietta Do I know anyone interested in building #indieweb tech or federated services? I'm having trouble conceptualizing some things without having people to bounce ideas off of. (twitter.com/_/status/995485455675162626)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/05/12/15/
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aaronpk wait what
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aaronpk how did that happen
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aaronpk ohhhh my site copies the tags it finds on posts that I "like"
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://www.arush.io/?p=93681
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aaronpk wow
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ For WordPress related activity in the area of #IndieWeb, among many others you should generally know are @dshanske (aka GWG), @pfefferle, and @schnarfed (aka snarfed). In addition to a lot of IndieWeb specific pieces @pfefferle has also… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/davidlaietta-for-wordpress-related-activity-in-the-area-of-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/995518750421118976)
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@hmans ↩️ I'm not terribly active in the Indieweb community (yet? Who knows), but am building open source incorporating a bunch of the concepts. (twitter.com/_/status/995564549838462976)
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@mrkrndvs 📑 The IKEA Effect via @amyburvall https://collect.readwriterespond.com/the-ikea-effect-burvall/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knO2-TzGGUw #indieweb #DoOO (twitter.com/_/status/995620585634979840)
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jgmac1106 Mrning all, So I am thinking I will finish my site template, and then make a copy stripped of microformats and then use both to make step by step tutorials for Glitch and Thimble. Today finally going to turn my eyes back to WordPress and record some think alouds with new users
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Zegnat Interesting!
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Zegnat Today I am trying to learn SQL-92
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jgmac1106 I am of the MongoDB ilk. Hope you enjoyed Eurovision
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Zegnat I am probably only going to do relational dbs. SQL is what I am most comfortable with. But if you have ideas, leave them in https://github.com/Zegnat/php-mintoken/issues/8 :)
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Loqi [Zegnat] #8 Explore possibility to be database agnostic
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tantek__ today I am going through a backlog of things to post
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[kevinmarks] Why stripped of microformats? That seems backwards
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[kevinmarks] The mongo vs sql conversation belongs in dev. See the link I added to diaspora yesterday
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@eurekachen 建立独立网站，加入独立网站运动（indieweb） (twitter.com/_/status/995633297999855616)
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jgmac1106 [kevinmarks] Backwards design. I want to get the finished product 100% correct. Then I remove everything and walk learners through adding stuff as they complete a tutorial. Will put up a completed version in Glitch as well but I was thinking learnign tool
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jgmac1106 wasn’t trying to start up a database debate, just sharing what I use
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jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] I have been building this: https://github.com/jgmac1106/microformatstemplate (I forked this one for literacy scholars) I want to make a directory of Open Scholars, get a basic course template up (it’s bootstrap now folks urging me to learn and use CSS Grid…thus the long roadway to completion)
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jgmac1106 [kevinmarks] If you look at the old microformats getting started guide that is how it works. Plain html content and by the bottom of the page you have an h-card doing the same thing but in a step by step tutorial approach
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jgmac1106 h-card was easy h-resume a bit tricker as I had to nest in so many properties and then when I had to use h-cite withing h-resume…..suddenly humab readable isn’t as readable. I wanted to teach folks some basic HTML but it gets unbasic fast. May have to build a javascript form for vita importing
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jgmac1106 again apologize for massive number of spelling mistakes. Got hit urnal nerve damage in the left hand down 2.5 fingers lately. Going to try a standing desk so my forearms dont rest on table pinching nerve
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Zegnat standingdesk++
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Loqi standingdesk has 1 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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[kevinmarks] Ouch. Standing desk is good. Taking the arms off your chair can work too
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snarfed morning all!
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tantek__ hello snarfed!
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snarfed ooh it's a two underscore day
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GWG A few more underscores and he gets a free sub
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tantek__ snarfed, definitely. underscores indicate exponential distance from home. __ = >5 timezones away
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snarfed ...
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snarfed ...really?
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GWG Where is tantek__ this morning?
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aaronpk That checks out
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tantek__ GWG, glad you asked: http://tantek.com/2018/133/t2/w3c-advisory-committee-meeting-w3cac
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] In #Berlin 🇩🇪 @W3C Advisory Committee meeting (#W3CAC) as a member of @W3CAB, sitting next to @torgo, listening to @jeff_jaffe’s intro, and @plhw3org’s projects update: https://www.w3.org/2018/Talks/ac-slides/project-intro/ (more links insi...
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GWG Hope you are enjoying it.
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GWG I should remember to check people's websites before I ask this question.
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GWG Just not everyone has the level of detail aaronpk has, with his plane trips and such
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Loqi yea
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GWG Hmm... aaronpk is going to Vegas, Milwaukee, and Nurenberg next.
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tantek__ GWG, no you're good. I posted it after you asked :)
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tantek__ lol no one has the level of detail aaronpk has, at least not publicly
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GWG tantek__: I sort of would like to do more with plane travel.
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tantek__ GWG - add it to your itches on your user page!
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GWG tantek__: You already did a long time ago
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tantek__ :)
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GWG tantek__: The reason my current big project involves POSSE is because, if Wrimini or Indigenous for Android becomes a regular posting method for me, I need a way to hook in Syndication
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tantek__ good call!
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GWG It is just a lot of plumbing
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GWG I have to build a system that doesn't care what it is POSSEing to.
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@aaronpk ↩️ Always welcome to drop by the chat! (IRC/Slack/Matrix, they're all connected) There's plenty of people there who would love to talk about things with you! https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/995675731379171329)
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tantek__ I have a user level question for how Mastodon users can follow indieweb sites
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tantek__ I just had a Mastodon user ask me (in person) how can they follow me from their Mastodon UI? as in, what do they enter into the "follow" text box?
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tantek__ snarfed, hoping you can help with that
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aaronpk that's what i was hoping bridgy fed would solve
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snarfed yeah no, it doesn't, at least not yet, sorry
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/18
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Loqi [snarfed] #18 figure out user and post discovery
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snarfed right now bridgy fed is mainly for propagating responses back and forth
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snarfed tantek__: lots of background in https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1441#issuecomment-302969948 ...but it's always seemed to be finicky in practice :(
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Loqi [Gargron] >an Atom feed with activitystream data Just an Atom feed will do too, but it needs to contain a link to a Pubsubhubbub hub >webfinger support Yes. Link to Atom feed, link to profile, link to salmon, magic key >an XRD at .well-known/host-...
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aaronpk i suppose that is no longer the only way now that mastodon implemented activitypub?
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snarfed oh sure, probably, but that's more outside the scope of the average blog
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snarfed atom feed with a few specific things in it, sure. implement AP, not so much.
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aaronpk wonders how much longer mastodon is going to maintain the Atom/opensocial code path
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tantek__ it has one?
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tantek__ oh from OStatus
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tantek__ lol not opensocial
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aaronpk oops i meant ostatus not opensocial
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[kevinmarks] There is opensocial heritage there
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tantek__ snarfed, ideally I could tell a Mastodon users to just enter "tantek.com" into the follow box and it would work. barring that, a decent workaround would be to tell them to follow" @tantek.com@tantek.com"
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tantek__ is that something that could work if I setup fed.brid.gy on my site?
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aaronpk not currently
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aaronpk people will get as far as seeing your profile info in mastodon but no posts will show up
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snarfed usually yes, true
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snarfed the setup steps on https://fed.brid.gy/ are generally necessary but not generally sufficient. and based on the links earlier, we don't all have a great understanding of the details of why
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snarfed also tantek__, the hard setup parts have to be inside your CMS, host, etc, which bridgy fed can't help much with
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snarfed it's absolutely a critical design flaw in bridgy fed. i just don't see a good solution that i can implement purely in an external service
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aaronpk wellknown--
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aaronpk it's not a design flaw in bridgy fed, it's a design flaw in ostatus that it requires .well-known support which means you can't just add it to an arbitrary web page
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snarfed lol yeah, semantics
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aaronpk just saying don't blame yourself ;-)
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snarfed heh no worries, i don't feel bad. but it is clear that people reasonably *think* bridgy fed will make their average indieweb site "just work" with mastodon etc, which is a critical hole
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tantek__ wellknown--
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Zegnat I am meeting up with Jeena tomorrow and we may do some IndieWeb podcasting. I am not sure if he has any topics in mind, but I do not. So if anyone would like to hear us talk about something specific, drop a suggestion!
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GWG Zegnat, I will subscribe
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Zegnat You can already subscribe to Jeena’s podcasting GWG: https://jeena.net/pods - no idea what we’ll do tomorrow yet
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@schmarty GIFs and emojis, WordPress Friends, and just what are Webmentions, anyway? It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for May 5th - 11th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/05/13/142652/ (twitter.com/_/status/995732628262342666)
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@jackyalcine I've been doing this more b/c IndieWeb -> Micropub -> ActivityPub -> ... JSON-LD. I'm about to start working on some code in like 2 minutes https://www.twitch.tv/jackyalcine watch me go (twitter.com/_/status/995747614770397185)
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@frankmeeuwsen @CharlottesLaw Ik heb mijn eigen gedachten over mijn persoonlijke site en de AVG eens op een rij gezet. Een serie van drie, te beginnen bij http://diggingthedigital.com/GDPR-en-het-Indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/995759431462899714)
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@ChrisAldrich The general mission of the #IndieWeb movement is to be the proverbial simple text editor meant to give everyone increasingly easier, direct control over their own identity and communication on the open internet. https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/995657639668338688 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/13/on-the-mission-of-the-indieweb-movement/ (twitter.com/_/status/995795750637322240)
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