#indieweb 2018-05-14

2018-05-14 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] Based on earlier conversation, I'm guessing the “Siri, what is Tantek doing?” app never got linked up to Loqi? https://indieweb.org/2017/indiesiri 😉
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I'm going to post that audio soon
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gsdgsdg /!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO #krustykrab /!\
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@dshanske An Indieweb Podcast Episode 5: Indieweb Summit and More - https://di5.us/b/Y4 (twitter.com/_/status/995838124205969410)
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aaronpk IndieWeb.org
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[colinwalker] Morning
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Loqi morning!
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/NikkitaFTW/status/995670345624555520?s=19
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@NikkitaFTW I made a dumb thing: https://makefrontendshitagain.party We started making websites because it was fun because we wanted to make dumb shit and now everything is so serious and sometimes I feel like we need to go back 🦄 BRING GEOCITIES BACK! 🚀 (twitter.com/_/status/995670345624555520)
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[kevinmarks] Meta site death: https://twitter.com/abigbagofkeys/status/995818996057296896?s=09
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@abigbagofkeys https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdHcGVBU8AAUqoH.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/995818996057296896)
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sknebel Next events: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-16-homebrew-website-club and IndieWeb Summit 2018!!! https://indieweb.org/2018 Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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petermolnar morning all
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petermolnar Loqi, give me a summary of the last week!
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@arikia The Internet Nothing, in tangible form: https://indieweb.org/site-deaths via @PerkeepOrg (twitter.com/_/status/995991177664122880)
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aaronpk What is this week in the indieweb?
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/this-week-in-the-indieweb
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petermolnar I may not have been receiving those for a while
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petermolnar weird
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petermolnar could you check if I'm on the list, aaronpk?
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GWG aaronpk, sorry in advance for chrisaldrich and I describing you as parts of a table.
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jgmac1106 morning all
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tantek__ good morning jgmac1106 !
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jgmac1106 well [tantek] been deep into css grid and flexbox trying to update all my template pages. Not as scary as I thought and way more logical than Bootstrap
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jgmac1106 trying to throw it up on Glitch but can’t find amywhere to strat new project. Will ask
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jgmac1106 found the button
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sknebel jgmac1106: just to make sure, you saw the talk about Storify backups yesterday?
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jgmac1106 yeah I did thanks. The site was down last night so I panicked and thought I missed the date: http://walkmyworld.jgregorymcverry.com/ was my lame attempt of seeing if I could make a remixable simple version for Thimble users jusing sections and background images and just a few tags
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[manton] I've been using curl to send the occasional Webmention that is outside of a normal reply, e.g. for RSVPs. Is there a web-based tool somewhere that can do that?
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[manton] I may build something into Micro.blog later, but thought maybe there was something else out there already that I could point people to.
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tglobe telegraph does that exactly
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tglobe what is telegraph
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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[manton] I don't think that's what I'm looking for. I just mean a web page with a form for source, target, and Webmention endpoint.
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[manton] Telegraph looks useful, though, thanks.
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sknebel sounds like you are looking for something *more complicated* than Telegraph to recommend?
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[manton] More lower level, I guess. Telegraph requires signing in, which is an added layer I wasn't thinking of.
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tglobe you mean something like a gui over the 'curl line'?
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[manton] Yeah, was imagining a UI that just does what I might do manually with curl but which is a little more user-friendly.
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[manton] This is not a big deal, just thought something might exist already.
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tglobe I din't think somebody has made such a thing already, maybe I can make it tonight shouldn't be that difficult
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jmac Aw man, if I wasn't in my usual monday-morning mode of throwing fresh meat to all my clients I'd go whip something up
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aaronpk [manton]: what's the reason for prompting the user to enter the webmention endpoint? Normally the webmention sending code can discover the endpoint automatically
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[manton] [aaronpk] No reason. Discovering it automatically is better, for sure.
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aaronpk I would not expect the normal user flow to include asking for the webmention endpoint since that is starting to show more of the underlying plumbing than is necessary
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aaronpk I've thought about making telegraph not require login for the simple source+target form
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GWG I like the model of each site having a webmention form for mentions to it
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[manton] Telegraph is probably perfect. Requiring login is just an extra step I wasn't thinking of.
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aaronpk Once micro.blog has its own built in IndieAuth endpoint, that log in button on telegraph will be a very short flow
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GWG manton, are you building onem
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GWG ?
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aaronpk GWG have you recorded a short screencast showing the WordPress IndieAuth plugin and showing how quick you can log in to things with it now?
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[kevinmarks] [manton] there is mention.tech
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[kevinmarks] that does the endpoint discovery, and also keeps a history itself
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: doesn't mention.tech only send webmentions to itself?
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[manton] @GWG Yes, the plan is to make this a lot easier for Micro.blog users than it currently is.
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[kevinmarks] no, it passes them through
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aaronpk Ah forgot about that
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[kevinmarks] the first version was just local, yes, then I made it pass them through as well
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[manton] Oh cool. So it discovers the endpoint based on the target URL?
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[kevinmarks] yes, it follows the spec
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GWG aaronpk, not a bad idea. I have never recorded any screencast
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[kevinmarks] if it doesn't find one it keeps track of the mention anyway
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[kevinmarks] it checks for a link from the source before sending iirc
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GWG manton, it is much easier build an IndieAuth endpoint if you lock yourself in a room with aaronpk
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[kevinmarks] it doesn't scan a page for links though - that is where telegraph has the edge
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[manton] Nice, thanks. I think that's exactly the kind of middle-ground I was looking for, between curl and something like Telegraph.
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aaronpk I wouldn't make that page-scanning feature available logged out
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[kevinmarks] it also sends both pages to the internet archive
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aaronpk but I've been considering making the simple source/target form work without login
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[kevinmarks] so your source page may get hit 3 times - mention.tech, then the target's wm endpoint, then the internet archive bot
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[kevinmarks] not quite a thundering herd but a brief procession
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jmac Whoa, I'm curious about that IA side-effect!
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jmac Is that just a "since you handed me this URL anyway, I'll just tell IA about it, helping your website be a good citizen, you're welcome"? Or is this part of a larger movement to pass URLs to IA when you can do so for free?
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jgmac1106 [kevinmarks] I have a screen recording but if the plug in was updated I can make a new one real fast
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@JmacDotOrg IndieWeb Summit would love more non-programmers to attend, and has a travel-assistance fund. Portland, OR June 26-27 (I’ll be there!) https://gregorlove.com/2018/05/an-invitation-to-indieweb-summit/ (twitter.com/_/status/996073646622986242)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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skippy hi Zegnat !
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Zegnat Jeena and I recorded a podcast talking about the IndieWeb. Keep an eye on his site! ;-) I hope I was cohesive and didn't say too much weird stuff.
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snarfed go get your .app domains. https://developers.googleblog.com/2018/05/app-is-now-open-for-general-registration.html
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aaronpk :( monocle.app is already taken
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[cleverdevil] as is together.app
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snarfed bridgy.app is available
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snarfed refrains
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[cleverdevil] and micropub.app
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aaronpk is not gonna name products after their specs anymore
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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Zegnat I was just writing a remark about that, aaronpk, haha
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jmac I got all the way up to timbernersleepresentstheworldwideweb.app before I could find a jokey app name that wasn't taken
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Zegnat Even my non-English first name is taken too
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skippy skippy.app is taken. sheesh.
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[cleverdevil] I wouldn't be surprised if they "reserved" a bunch of names for premium offerings later
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[cleverdevil] Domains are such a racket.
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jgmac1106 so I finished a microformats course template that I will be using as I try to build the indieweb classroom: https://indiewebcoursetemplate.glitch.me
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Loqi Assignment
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jgmac1106 Think I need to change my header
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gRegorLove Nice, jgmac1106!
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@jgmac1106 Designing an #IndieWeb Course Template: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/05/14/designing-an-indieweb-course-template (twitter.com/_/status/996100516030496768)
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KartikPrabhu jgmac1106: looks good, except Josefin Slab font is hard to read at small text size and not so great for body text
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jgmac1106 thx [kartikPrabhu] on a serif kick right now and have’t found my flavor of the month
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KartikPrabhu I like serif fonts too but there are others designed for main text
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KartikPrabhu I use Josefin Slab for my headings too
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jgmac1106 Did everything I could to try to centermy icons. That will annoy me until I solve
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KartikPrabhu jgmac1106: maybe I can try, which icon on which URL?
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jgmac1106 line 40 https://github.com/jgmac1106/coursetemplate/blob/master/index.html
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@jeena Ever wanted to know what the #IndieWeb is about? I speak with @martijnvdven about it in depth for 1.5 hours in the 17th episode of my podcast #JEE. We talk from about how to get started to the latest changes for all website operators due to EU's GDPR https://jeena.net/pods/17 (twitter.com/_/status/996104157525405699)
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Jeena (You should all subscribe to my podcast btw. :) )
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KartikPrabhu jgmac1106: is this on the course website link you posted?
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jgmac1106 I tried styling fa, fas, i, and as far as Iam concerned it should be in the middle since I have [justify-content: center;
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jgmac1106 align-items: center;] on the grid item
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jgmac1106 yes, I can share on Glitch or GitHub
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KartikPrabhu yeah that would be cool. easier to do in browser
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jgmac1106 https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/dba8d63f-612a-4170-8cfe-eb4bf3accded
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jgmac1106 off to get kids from school
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KartikPrabhu getting 404 on that link
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@huffduffer The IndieWeb - Martijn - Jeena's Excellent Encounters - http://jeena.net https://huffduffer.com/aaronpk/477123 (twitter.com/_/status/996104920968376321)
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Zegnat I didn't expect that to be up tonight Jeena! Nice! Not too much editing then?
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Jeena oh really a 404?
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Jeena ah, not on my link, ok
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Jeena No, just the one cut, Zegnat
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Jeena and my workflow is quite streamlined ;)
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: yeah that one was not for you
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Zegnat Clearly so. Now awaiting the audiophiles to come in and judge the audio 😉
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Jeena It's not as good as when I used big membrane microphones, but it's so much easier to transport!
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Zegnat I was actually surprised by how smooth the setup is! Can I ask what the kit costs?
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Jeena The Zoom H5 is 277 €, then you need two Lavelier microphones (I have quite cheap ones) each ~ 50 EUR, so around 380 EUR.
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Jeena I got the H5 because sometimes I'm recording more than 2 people
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Jeena but you could also get the H4 for 211 EUR
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Zegnat Writing this down for when I have an income again. Looks like good fun
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skippy micropub to my site, and POSSE to Twitter makes me very happy.
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skippy indieweb++
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Loqi indieweb has 3 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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@sglwillread “Inspired by Aaron's "100 Days of Indieweb", I'm aiming for 100 days of visible improvements to my IndieWeb projects.” http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/starting-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/996121963335766016)
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aaronpk [manton]: here you go! https://telegraph.p3k.io/send-a-webmention
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aaronpk or if you want something easier to remember: http://sendawebmention.com
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[manton] [aaronpk] Nice!
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@jevdemon #POSSE ensures your posts aren't closed off from the rest of the web by (formerly) open silo providers like Medium. https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/996144516716314624)
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KartikPrabhu when was Medium "open"?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: probably re https://www.fastcompany.com/40570942/medium-keeps-killing-off-blogs-in-the-name-of-saving-the-internet
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KartikPrabhu aah so "open" is really in quotes ;P
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: yeah there's no single authoritative definition of "open" for tech products, whee
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KartikPrabhu <jazz hands> OPEN
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Won't make #openbadges summit. Will be at #IndieWeb Summit same time. So o ISTE. Who knows maybe I come back with a microformat badge platform (twitter.com/_/status/996166208389955585)
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[jgmac1106] Replied back I meant webmentions. So many conferences same time
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Won't make #openbadges summit. Will be at #IndieWeb Summit same time. So o ISTE. Who knows maybe I come back with a webmentions badge platform (twitter.com/_/status/996169424003461120)
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@kevinmarks As we count down to #GDPR Christmas on the 25th May, @dsearls explains why you may need to rethink your entire approach to communicating with people. Talk to them. Assume they are human. Don't treat them as eyeballs attached to wallets. https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2018/05/12/gdpr/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/996172813068206086)
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jgmac1106 oops I hate when I syndicate an edit