#indieweb 2018-05-15

2018-05-15 UTC
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@jgmac1106 Give a kid a blog and watch them become content creators. Give them a Domain and watch them create an identity. #edtechchat #indieweb #doo #GoOpen (twitter.com/_/status/996188300653166593)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Running short free course this summer (probably August) for teachesr who want to take their blog to the #indieweb, learn how to use GitHub, and start remixing and sharing our coursework. No HTML knowledge required. You will learn DM to be added to list. https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/996190998190473216 (twitter.com/_/status/996191652094951424)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Running course this summer (probably August) for teacher who want to take their blog to the #indieweb, learn how to use GitHub, and start remixing and sharing our coursework. No HTML knowledge required. You will learn DM to be added to list. #edtechchat https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/996190998190473216 (twitter.com/_/status/996191813676351488)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you are a WordPress blogger I am recruiting teachers for "think aloud" studies as you install #indieweb plugins. Will contact you about August course. We need to build the web our students deserve. (twitter.com/_/status/996193716824981504)
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@fionajvoss I feel like Jian Yang from Silicon Valley, except I want to build an IndieWeb clone of every website. Open Quora, Open Yelp. (twitter.com/_/status/996203404404944897)
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jihaisse al
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@calum_ryan .@RubenVerborgh discussing data decentralization and ownership: creating greater innovation but having layered agreement for handling managed datasets #EuropeanaTech #indieweb (https://calumryan.com/note/1626) (twitter.com/_/status/996309619025772546)
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[jgmac1106] Morning all
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petermolnar o/
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@jgmac1106 Today's goal in #indieweb is take my syllabus, originally built on a Skeleton framework and update it to CSS grid. May try to do a sticky navigation at the top rather than a horizontal nav menu in each section. CSS grid isn't bad. See how day two of learning goes (twitter.com/_/status/996337424690069505)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Oops here is syllabus: #indieweb, http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/05/15/todays-goal-in-indieweb-is-take-my-syllabus-originally-built will end up with a lot of h-event entries in the task list. (twitter.com/_/status/996337901670621186)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[xavierroy] if i use Google Analytics, do I fall foul of GDPR laws?
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cweiske #askyourlocalgoogletechsupportguy
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[xavierroy] [cweiske] I thought you would be the right person 🙂. I am not in the EU. So I am trying to understand it.
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Zegnat I thought Google was informing all their users about how they are adapting?
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[xavierroy] https://privacy.google.com/businesses/compliance/#?modal_active=none
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Zegnat really wants to put in some snark about how may 25th is a great time to start owning your own statistics
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[jeremycherfas] Hello IndieWeb; lots of catching up to do here.
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@jgmac1106 Sad to see @malexandrou Ultimate Category Excluder plug-in is no longer supported. Thanks for the work you did. Many in the #indieweb WordPress community relied on the plug-in. If others have a favorite category excluder plugin I welcome recommendations. (twitter.com/_/status/996367084794691584)
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jeremycherfas Howdy IndieWeb. Impossible to catch up in full, so just did a quick skim, and still found lots to follow up.
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf/status/996360670592385024?s=19
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@Asher_Wolf Huge new Facebook data leak exposed intimate details of 3m users https://www.newscientist.com/article/2168713-huge-new-facebook-data-leak-exposed-intimate-details-of-3m-users/ (twitter.com/_/status/996360670592385024)
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petermolnar Zegnat: are you envisioning a reprise in awstat like tools? I am. Sort of.
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Zegnat What is Piwik?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Piwik" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Piwik is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Piwik is [[Matomo]]
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Annoying renames
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Zegnat People who want to stick closer to Google Analytics might use something like https://indieweb.org/Matomo#Matomo , petermolnar
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Zegnat I personally am not doing any analytics at all.
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] I am not either except what Jetpack does and I don't check those, to me good content better community equals more readers, but I don't have to sustain myself as a blogger. Iam sure if it is how I fed my kids I would pay more attention
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Zegnat Does Jetpack do that within the local WP install or does it communicate the stats externally?
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jgmac1106 it seems to stay intenral though they do collect data from thrid party cookies:
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jgmac1106 https://automattic.com/privacy/
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Zegnat Interesting
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Zegnat I am clearly not a WP user, he
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jgmac1106 they make a shadow site on wordpress.com https://jetpack.com/support/what-data-does-jetpack-sync/
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jgmac1106 but its best way to syndicated to LinkedIn and Twitter. Bridgy only works when replying to a spcific tweet I think
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jgmac1106 last WordPress related comment in this channel, though I heard that when syndicting through JetPack it uses different metadata and does not include microformats, again what I heard and not what I understand
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Zegnat If JetPack suits your needs, who cares about the “microformats”? ;)
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@jgmac1106 Post from Three Years Ago on #IndieWeb and Syndication https://jgregorymcverry.com/b/fN (twitter.com/_/status/996392996986867713)
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jgmac1106 hmmm deactivated my facebook account but still had jetpack pubklishing there. I wonder if I reactivated without knowing
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jgmac1106 so in the history of bad ideas I threw out a notice I would run an indieweb master class for educators this summer and already have ten people signed up…uggghhh now I guess I need to design the class. May have my summit goal
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snarfed jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 5 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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petermolnar Zegnat: I used/tried Piwik, it's fine, but it was grinding slow for me; for WordPress, there's a selfhosted analytics plugin, Slimstat, which is very good
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petermolnar that jetpack thing is scary o.O
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] the whole point of my two week WordPress only experiment is to decide if I just want to move my site to a small static site with a lighterweight blogging solution on a subdomain. I like using Known for microblogging but want to try a MicroPub client with WordpPress. I tried micro.blog but it seemed more iOS focuses than me but it is still supported to that is a plus
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] what are yu using for syndication then? None? If I remember correctly you don’t syndicate content in two places correct?
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petermolnar jgmac1106: I experimented a lot with syndication; these days, I use bridgy to flickr, and that's it. While I was using WP, I ended up with SNAP, but I was very close to write my own solution based on Keyring.
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petermolnar what is SNAP?
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Loqi SNAP (Social Network Auto Poster) is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
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[stefp] [jgmac1106] I think if you deactivate your Facebook account there has to be zero activity on it for a certain number of days or it will re-activate.
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jgmac1106 [stefp] thx, it was throwing an error message so I think I wasn’ tposing but it would be funny to think I thought I was “off” but posting all the time
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[stefp] they don’t let you go that easily 🙂
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petermolnar interestingly a deactivated fb account doesn't deactivate messenger
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@calum_ryan .@hvdsomp discussing resource capturing, archiving and link permanence in relation to using Memento Tracer plus data attributes for URL version info/handling #EuropeanaTech #indieweb (https://calumryan.com/note/1628) (twitter.com/_/status/996420765594550273)
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@jgmac1106 https://hyp.is/jv8I5lhZEeitWu86o5fMvg/www.boffosocko.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/An-IndieWeb-Crash-Course-v3.pdf #annotated (twitter.com/_/status/996420952178110464)
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@huffduffer An Indieweb Podcast Episode 5: Indieweb Summit and More | David Shanske https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/477952 (twitter.com/_/status/996424576463785984)
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[kim_landwehr] I am trying to use Quill to post to my Micro.blog. I can sign in, but when I try to post I am getting a 400 error with the following info at the end
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[kim_landwehr] {"error":"invalid_request","error_description":"No verified site could be found for token."}. I am not sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated
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aaronpk hm, sounds like a micro.blog issue
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[kim_landwehr] So it is on their end an not mine?
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aaronpk ultimately yes, you should never have been able to get into this situation. tho there might be something you can do about it. for example I can't remember whether you're supposed to type your micro.blog/username URL or your actual blog URL when logging in to quill with a micro.blog account
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aaronpk but it should have been able to handle this regardless
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[eddie] When logging in to Quill you should log in with your blog url, so http://username.micro.blog
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aaronpk [eddie]: and is that true even if you have a custom domain?
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[eddie] ohh hmm
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[eddie] manton++
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Loqi manton has 46 karma in this channel (50 overall)
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[manton] I just found a bug with site verification in Micro.blog... I think to accept Micropub requests from Quill with custom domains the site has to be verified. Just fixed it. [kim_landwehr], mind trying again?
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[manton] I introduced this problem while making site verification more robust a couple days ago. Sorry I didn't catch it earlier.
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[kim_landwehr] Yes that worked!
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[kim_landwehr] Thanks [manton]
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[manton] Great!
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[manton] It's an open question whether M.b should be strict about site verification from Quill. It's probably unnecessary.
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aaronpk what does "verified" mean in this context?
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[manton] It just means there's a rel tag on your site that points to your Micro.blog profile.
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[manton] Which is usually automatic for all Micro.blog-hosted sites.
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@jgmac1106 Today was day 2 of my WordPress only #indieweb experiment. So far I am leaning away from WordPress and back to a different platform for microblogging: https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter (twitter.com/_/status/996447169887592453)
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@Johannes_Ernst ↩️ 1. One UX for public, semi-public (groups), personal (one intended reader) and private (just me) posts. 2. #IndieWeb reader of course 3. Large, easily extensible set of rich data types not just text/image/video but also "vertical data" like credit card charge, MRI etc. (twitter.com/_/status/996457052854603776)
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snarfed interesting google open source project for a (non-google-specific) data portability standard and API: https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project
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Loqi [google] data-transfer-project: The Data Transfer Project makes it easy for users to transfer their data between online services. We provide a common framework and ecosystem to accept contributions from service providers to enable seamless transfer of data into and out of their service.
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snarfed details: https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/blob/master/Documentation/Overview.md
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snarfed heavily engineered. and getting adoption seems...optimistic. but who knows
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[cleverdevil] "Data Transfer Project (DTP) is a collaboration of organizations committed to building a common framework"
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[cleverdevil] Any info on which organizations are participating?
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snarfed got me
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[kevinmarks] Sounds like granary
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snarfed huh. kind of! except aimed more at migrating entire datasets, which granary doesn't do
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[cleverdevil] "Heavily engineered" is a generous explanation 🙂
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[cleverdevil] It also doesn't seem to actually support any actual services yet.
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[cleverdevil] Noble idea though! I hope they succeed!
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] if you need help with the summer class I could donate some time to such an endeavor... Let me know what you have in mind and what might need help.
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@jonathanprozzi Attention web friends: Homebrew Website Club has been canceled due to internet outages and impending storms! Rescheduled: 5/29! (twitter.com/_/status/996515599726628864)
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@dsample ↩️ Static content for security. Webmentions & other @indieweb standards for community building. Make different kinds of posts first-class citizens (eg. Tweet-style vs photo vs long-form article). (twitter.com/_/status/996517800951865344)
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[jgmac1106] Wow [chrisaldrich] just dropping the knowledge bombs into the Stream, checking out stuff people make. I want to focus on webmentions as a feedback loop.
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[jgmac1106] I also like having a podcast of experts during each module but keep them short.
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[jgmac1106] Here is a similar class I taught on Question the Web: http://networkedlearningcollaborative.com/the-courses/question-the-web/Last time I taught this class I was doing "Google as a Free LMS" but would love to have you join us
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[jgmac1106] It will probably flow something like this for the open classroom: http://walkmy.world/start-walking/ with academic reading for those taking class for credit
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dckc is there a path from here to the fediverse? (mastodon etc.?) I'm late to the game, but trying it out: https://social.coop/@dckc