#indieweb 2018-05-24

2018-05-24 UTC
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[quinnvinlove] Wow a lot of indieweb ppl have written their own blogging engines! 😮
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tantek indeed!
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[Natris1979] [quinnvinlove] why have one when you can have two at twice the price 🙂
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KartikPrabhu what is monoculture?
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Loqi Monoculture refers to the antipattern of one piece of software dominating (or trying to dominate) its field, often by being limited to communicating with other instances of the same codebase https://indieweb.org/monoculture
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tantek what is plurality?
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Loqi Encouraging a plurality of projects with a self-motivated incentive to interoperate is a key principle of the indie web, in contrast to monoculture efforts which require or even encourage everyone to install the same software, or use the same online service, in order to interoperate https://indieweb.org/plurality
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skippy oooh, mutt for email! I used to use mutt. i should go back to it!
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[Natris1979] I just hooked up my website to show the music I've been listening to :-): https://www.tristanhavelick.com/music
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[Natris1979] ...using gatsbyjs, lastcast and libre.fm, source here https://github.com/thavelick/thavelick.github.io/blob/source/gatsby-node.js and here: https://github.com/thavelick/thavelick.github.io/blob/source/src/pages/music.js for the curious
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[Natris1979] I wonder if I can fit some microformats around that
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int0x27h572 ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A HELP CHANNEL WHERE THE HELP DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY DON'T SHIT THEY WILL SPEND 10 MINS JERKING YOUR CHAIN?? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN #UBUNTU A CHANNEL FULL OF DUMB NIGGERS THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT!!
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Loqi That looks like spam, bye!
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KartikPrabhu good job! Loqi
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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swentel morning
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Loqi good morning
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jeremycherfas Good morning zegnat
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@swentel I'll be going to the next Drupal BE sprint - https://www.meetup.com/DUG-BE/events/251023550/. With chocolate, and you get an extra one if you can break #indieweb module :) #challenge (twitter.com/_/status/999545050173509632)
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swentel 2nd try ..
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@swentel I'll be going to the next Drupal BE sprint - https://www.meetup.com/DUG-BE/events/251023550/. With chocolate, and you get an extra one if you can break the #indieweb module :) #challenge (twitter.com/_/status/999545563560448000)
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Zegnat Darn, I am pro at breaking stuff, but sadly not in BE.
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swentel hehe :)
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swentel remote is fine too ;)
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swentel I'll send the chocolate now, I'm in sweden anyway heh
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Zegnat Haha
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sknebel good morning Indieweb!
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petermolnar https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/23/17387146/instapaper-gdpr-europe-access-shut-down-privacy-changes - when the silo quits you
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Zegnat That’s ... interesting
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Zegnat Stuff like that always makes me wonder if those services have been doing more things behind the scenes than we need them to do and/or use them for.
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jeremycherfas Exactly. And, what have they been doing for the past x years? I don't use Pinterest, but I wonder whether they are already fully compliant. I doubt it.
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petermolnar yep, that's what I started to think about as well
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petermolnar I had a thought about instapaper - what if they are worried about the scraped data? Eg. someone like us goes there and asks to delete the data on them, which would effect their user experience because articles would disappear from their actual users. How is Pocket handling this?
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sknebel no idea, but that doesn't sound like something that'd go away with waiting a bit (since the claim is "temporarily")
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Zegnat I wonder if they can’t do what some hosting companies do: DPA with the users stating that they only store copies of the bookmarked paged for them. The users can easily claim a legitimate interest in the copies, or even be excempt from GDPR under household activities, right?
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Zegnat But that of course only applies if all they are doing is keeping the copy of the bookmark HTML, not if they are doing extra data extraction for their own use ;)
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jgmac1106 morning all
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[unoabraham] Any SSG users? Hugo? How are you POSSE-ing?
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petermolnar what is SSG?
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Loqi Static site generators are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static html files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/SSG
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petermolnar ah. yes, I wrote one for myself; those rare occasions when I POSSE I use brigy; essentially I place a link in the page and ping bridgy
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sknebel [unoabraham]: some use bridgy, some have POSSE features in their micropub endpoints that talk to the APIs directly
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[unoabraham] Ok. Probably not going the route of a micropub right now. Implementing Webmention and POSSE are my primary goals for this weekend.
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jgmac1106 Good luck [unoabraham] smart weekend goals
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jeremycherfas Some use Telegraph by hand.
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[unoabraham] [jeremycherfas] Telegraph looks good, but probably too much work long term. I'd like to automate both POSSE and Webmention. Was easy with WP.
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jeremycherfas I don't need to use Telegraph very often, so it suits me fine not to work at automation.
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[unoabraham] [jeremycherfas] Okay, I'm guessing that means you don't syndicate all of your content?
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jeremycherfas Definitely not!
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skippy [unoabraham]: i use Hugo, and POSSE to twitter from my micropub endpoint: https://github.com/skpy/micropub
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Loqi [skpy] micropub: a minimal PHP micropub endpoint, with media support
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[gerwitz] When you’re ready to add Micropub to Hugo, I would love to help.
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[gerwitz] So, the Instapaper news has me looking to migrate my data there (to Pinboard, I think). Their exports don’t preserve the date-of-bookmarking. Anyone have suggestions for existing tools that use their API to slurp?
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Zegnat I think skippy is already micropubbing to his Hugo site, [gerwitz] :)
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[gerwitz] That doesn’t mean I can’t recruit [unoabraham] as a test user 😉
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[gerwitz] (I know Slack threads get confusing over IRC 😐 )
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sknebel yeah, please don't use them
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, that context was completely lost to me so I thought you were replying to skippy
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[Natris1979] hey guys, just updated this page: https://indieweb.org/Google_Play_Music#Tristan_Havelick with how I feature what music I'm listening to on my website. I hope someone finds it useful
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skippy there are a couple of Hugo users in here, all doing different things. I am happy to talk about it with anyone looking to implement it!
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Zegnat That looks awesome [Natris1979]!
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[Natris1979] @Zegnat thanks! I was just implementing simple blog functionality, then I thought "eh, everyone does that first, I'm going to do something different". Blog functionality is coming next though 🙂
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/listen - has some more examples of people tracking what they are listening to. [eddie] even used some microformats (https://indieweb.org/listen#Eddie_Hinkle)
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[Natris1979] Oh cool I wasn't aware of that page, it's cool to see someone using microformats.. I wanted to mark mine up but wasn't sure of the best way to do it. Looks like I'll take Eddie's lead
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[Natris1979] also inspired to figure out how to add podcasts 🙂
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[eddie] Hi [Natris1979] GWG even accepts listen posts sent via webmention on his podcast pages. See this podcast page: https://david.shanske.com/2018/05/08/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-4-webmentions-and-privacy/
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[Natris1979] [eddie] GWG?
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[eddie] That’s his IRC handle on here
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[Natris1979] oh gotcha
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[eddie] As far as podcasts did you mean you would like to add listen posts of podcasts or create podcasts themselves?
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[Natris1979] I mean add listen posts of podcasts
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[eddie] Do you use an iPhone or Android? I ask because I am developing an iPhone app that I use to post mine
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[Natris1979] I use Android
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Zegnat You could also use a gPodder compatible player. Which can sync your listening status to a server: https://www.gpodder.net/
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Zegnat As with librefm, you’ll have to use the API to pull out what episodes you have listened to completion. But I believe that is possible.
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[eddie] Ahh okay, I’m probably not much help then 😁
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[eddie] That’s a great approach, Zegnat!
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[Natris1979] I actually mostly listen on Google Home these days, I'm wondering if I can use the same technique that lastcast (what I'm using to track plays from Google Play Music) uses to easedrop on ChromeCast devices to get that data
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[Natris1979] probably not though.. that's what I get for using a closed source device
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Zegnat I am not sure how PodCasts work there, so I can’t comment on that.
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[Natris1979] I was honestly pretty surprised I could get the google play data
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[Natris1979] *google play music
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Zegnat I have been looking into gPodder a bit. But I can’t bring myself to leave Pocket Casts as my player just yet :(
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[jgmac1106] [Natris1979] I collect every song my phone overhears been that way since Oreo I think
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[Natris1979] [jgmac1106] oh that's neat
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[Natris1979] Not sure I want to record listens to the crappy music I hear in restaurants though 😛
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/999616307241906176
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@AlecMuffett OMG THIS IS AN AWESOME SOLUTION TO #GDPR - BACK TO 1996! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd9ZpuhVAAEDqCb.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/999616307241906176)
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snarfed good news! facebook dropped its SMS req't for 2FA. https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/23/17385654/facebook-two-factor-authentication-process-app-phone-number
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gRegorLove What's lastcast?
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Zegnat Huh, I have had Facebook in andOTP for a while now ... thought I already didn’t do SMS 2FA
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[kim_landwehr] What is Telegraph?
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Zegnat Huh, apparently they did also enable text messages. Just a single “remove number” button there now :D So easy to make my FB safer
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Zegnat What the hell Facebook!
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Zegnat PSA: Do not press the “remove number” button! It will disable 2FA completely!
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Zegnat goes to document UI
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snarfed easy Zegnat. you're right, the UI isn't great, it says that if you already had 2FA on. but then you can re-enable it without re-enabling SMS
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snarfed my fb account now has app-based 2FA and my phone # is completely removed
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[Natris1979] [gregorlove] lastcast is a thing that allows you to record plays on Chromecast devices to libre.fm or last.fm: https://github.com/erik/lastcast
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Loqi [erik] lastcast: Scrobble music playing on Chromecast (from Spotify, Google Play, SoundCloud, ...) to last.fm and libre.fm
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snarfed change just launched, i expect they'll continue polishing the UI
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Zegnat Sure. But I already had a device setup for 2FA, and it knew that (there was a “remove app” button). It feels extremely counter intuitive that removing my phone number than disables 2FA completely and will need me to set up the TOTP again. And reprint all my recovery codes. Etc.
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snarfed agreed! misleading UI. needs improvement.
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snarfed still, i think we'd obviously recommend that everyone do that "remove SMS, re-enable with just app, regenerate backup codes" dance to improve security
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gRegorLove What is Telegraph?
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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Zegnat Oh, definitely, just understand that you’ll be removing 2FA first
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gRegorLove (no space before the question, [kim_landwehr] ^ )
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Zegnat Interesting, it doesn’t assign recovery codes by default either. You have to go and “set up” those.
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gRegorLove Thanks, [Natris1979]! I need to check out libre.fm
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gRegorLove Though I'd prefer something that scrobbles directly from my phone and/or the browser.
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dgold what is scrobble
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/scrobble
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dgold ahhh
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[Natris1979] [gregorlove] I think that libre.fm has an app and a chrome plugin for that. Not sure of the details
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mattl we don’t have either. there is a good third party scrobbler for Android
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[Natris1979] actually looks pretty hacky: https://git.gnu.io/foocorp/librefm/wikis/Using_turtle
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mattl Depends on what OS and software you have. Our design let’s virtually any old Last.fm client ever made work but we have better support in some applications
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Zegnat Scrobbling from the browser would be nice. Doubly nice if it can track what I watch on YouTube.
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[Natris1979] @mattl: who is we?
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mattl Me and Libre.fm
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mattl Zegnat: you can do that. There’s a Chrome plugin for that.
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[Natris1979] @matt1: oh did you make/work on Libre.fm? Cool!
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mattl You can even tell it which categories on YouTube to consider.
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Zegnat Happen to know the plugin? I have been hunting for a YouTube Watch History plugin for a while and very close to building my own
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mattl Yep. I’m the founder/owner.
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mattl Let me look.
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mattl Web Scrobbler
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[Natris1979] @mattl awesome thanks for making that. It's super cool
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mattl Thanks. I plan to do some more work on it some day.
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[Natris1979] Looks like there's a last.fm chrome plugin that could probably modified to work with libre.fm
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Zegnat https://github.com/web-scrobbler/web-scrobbler - looks like it is available for Firefox as well
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Loqi [web-scrobbler] web-scrobbler: Scrobble music all around the web!
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mattl Check out the Web Scrobbler plugin. Seems really nice to me.
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Zegnat I am definitely checking that out!
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mattl Oh I'm glad it supports Firefox now too.
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Zegnat It also seems to include Google Analytics by default, so people’s opinions on that may vary. (Seems to be opt-out-able though.)
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@sil ↩️ one nice thing with webmentions (apart from the indieweb crowd feeling a bit like the way the world was when we all got into this in about 2003) is that bridgy exists so all the twitter/etc comments show up as webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/999708931105738752)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ We will see about #ncte18. The NCTE>Thanksgiving>LRA and find time to teach turn around is crazy, but @NCTE been most forward thinking in awhile. Though I think our professional orgs need to move to an #IndieWeb model where members have their own blogs… https://jgregorymcverry.com/ncte18youcoming/ (twitter.com/_/status/999713021235728384)
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@anomalily Can people remind me why I shouldn’t just go with Shopify? Expensive, closed hosting, can’t modify in HTML. Right? RIGHT? But so much easier than wrestling with woocommerce. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/999722570692706304)
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Zegnat wooCommerce. Yikes.
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[jgmac1106] I have to deal with WooCommerce all the time...ssooooooo slow
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[jgmac1106] I still say the square and the credit card providers are going to pwn the build your own webpage market
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Zegnat Wow! https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/999704968524324864
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@waxpancake By the way, if you remove the date parameter from that search and click "Latest," you get a strict reverse-chronological timeline with no algorithm junk. 🙌 https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=filter%3Afollows%20-filter%3Areplies&src=typd (twitter.com/_/status/999704968524324864)
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gRegorLove Shopify is pretty customizable in my experience.
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gRegorLove But yeah, expensive.
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gRegorLove Wow, that Twitter search is awesome.
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[Natris1979] dang it, I thought that's how twitter worked normally
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[jgmac1106] just use tweetdeck always chronological
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gRegorLove I'd really rather just use my browser at this point. I'm not that invested in Twitter, just nostalgic.
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gRegorLove Keith Grant shared some adblock rules that help: https://gist.github.com/keithjgrant/8ab9d633f321abeed28ffb01617609b0
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gRegorLove Oh, Tweetdeck is web now. Interesting. Shows how long it's been since I used it.
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gRegorLove So Tweetdeck web might work. Main issue is that the setting to turn off real-time tweet streaming doesn't seem to work.
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[jgmac1106] Aww Tweetdeck as an Adobe Air app. Those were the days
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@chrismessina ↩️ Folks like @t @adactio et al continue to fight the good fight for the #IndieWeb https://vimeo.com/265121482 (Also, @Gargron w/ Mastodon, etc) (twitter.com/_/status/999764434217123840)
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb!
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[jgmac1106] Evening all