#indieweb 2018-05-24

2018-05-24 UTC
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[quinnvinlove]
Wow a lot of indieweb ppl have written their own blogging engines! 😮
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tantek
indeed!
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[Natris1979]
[quinnvinlove] why have one when you can have two at twice the price 🙂
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KartikPrabhu
what is monoculture?
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Loqi
Monoculture refers to the antipattern of one piece of software dominating (or trying to dominate) its field, often by being limited to communicating with other instances of the same codebase https://indieweb.org/monoculture
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tantek
what is plurality?
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Loqi
Encouraging a plurality of projects with a self-motivated incentive to interoperate is a key principle of the indie web, in contrast to monoculture efforts which require or even encourage everyone to install the same software, or use the same online service, in order to interoperate https://indieweb.org/plurality
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skippy
oooh, mutt for email! I used to use mutt. i should go back to it!
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[Natris1979]
I just hooked up my website to show the music I've been listening to :-): https://www.tristanhavelick.com/music
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[Natris1979]
I wonder if I can fit some microformats around that
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int0x27h572
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A HELP CHANNEL WHERE THE HELP DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY DON'T SHIT THEY WILL SPEND 10 MINS JERKING YOUR CHAIN?? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN #UBUNTU A CHANNEL FULL OF DUMB NIGGERS THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT!!
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Loqi
That looks like spam, bye!
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KartikPrabhu
good job! Loqi
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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swentel
morning
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Loqi
good morning
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jeremycherfas
Good morning zegnat
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@swentel
I'll be going to the next Drupal BE sprint - https://www.meetup.com/DUG-BE/events/251023550/. With chocolate, and you get an extra one if you can break #indieweb module :) #challenge
(twitter.com/_/status/999545050173509632)
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swentel
2nd try ..
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@swentel
I'll be going to the next Drupal BE sprint - https://www.meetup.com/DUG-BE/events/251023550/. With chocolate, and you get an extra one if you can break the #indieweb module :) #challenge
(twitter.com/_/status/999545563560448000)
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Zegnat
Darn, I am pro at breaking stuff, but sadly not in BE.
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swentel
hehe :)
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swentel
remote is fine too ;)
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swentel
I'll send the chocolate now, I'm in sweden anyway heh
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sknebel
good morning Indieweb!
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Zegnat
That’s ... interesting
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Zegnat
Stuff like that always makes me wonder if those services have been doing more things behind the scenes than we need them to do and/or use them for.
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jeremycherfas
Exactly. And, what have they been doing for the past x years? I don't use Pinterest, but I wonder whether they are already fully compliant. I doubt it.
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petermolnar
yep, that's what I started to think about as well
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petermolnar
I had a thought about instapaper - what if they are worried about the scraped data? Eg. someone like us goes there and asks to delete the data on them, which would effect their user experience because articles would disappear from their actual users. How is Pocket handling this?
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sknebel
no idea, but that doesn't sound like something that'd go away with waiting a bit (since the claim is "temporarily")
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Zegnat
I wonder if they can’t do what some hosting companies do: DPA with the users stating that they only store copies of the bookmarked paged for them. The users can easily claim a legitimate interest in the copies, or even be excempt from GDPR under household activities, right?
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Zegnat
But that of course only applies if all they are doing is keeping the copy of the bookmark HTML, not if they are doing extra data extraction for their own use ;)
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jgmac1106
morning all
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[unoabraham]
Any SSG users? Hugo? How are you POSSE-ing?
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petermolnar
what is SSG?
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Loqi
Static site generators are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static html files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/SSG
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petermolnar
ah. yes, I wrote one for myself; those rare occasions when I POSSE I use brigy; essentially I place a link in the page and ping bridgy
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sknebel
[unoabraham]: some use bridgy, some have POSSE features in their micropub endpoints that talk to the APIs directly
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[unoabraham]
Ok. Probably not going the route of a micropub right now. Implementing Webmention and POSSE are my primary goals for this weekend.
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jgmac1106
Good luck [unoabraham] smart weekend goals
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jeremycherfas
Some use Telegraph by hand.
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[unoabraham]
[jeremycherfas] Telegraph looks good, but probably too much work long term. I'd like to automate both POSSE and Webmention. Was easy with WP.
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jeremycherfas
I don't need to use Telegraph very often, so it suits me fine not to work at automation.
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[unoabraham]
[jeremycherfas] Okay, I'm guessing that means you don't syndicate all of your content?
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jeremycherfas
Definitely not!
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skippy
[unoabraham]: i use Hugo, and POSSE to twitter from my micropub endpoint: https://github.com/skpy/micropub
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Loqi
[skpy] micropub: a minimal PHP micropub endpoint, with media support
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[gerwitz]
When you’re ready to add Micropub to Hugo, I would love to help.
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[gerwitz]
So, the Instapaper news has me looking to migrate my data there (to Pinboard, I think). Their exports don’t preserve the date-of-bookmarking. Anyone have suggestions for existing tools that use their API to slurp?
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Zegnat
I think skippy is already micropubbing to his Hugo site, [gerwitz] :)
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[gerwitz]
That doesn’t mean I can’t recruit [unoabraham] as a test user 😉
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[gerwitz]
(I know Slack threads get confusing over IRC 😐 )
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sknebel
yeah, please don't use them
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Zegnat
Oh, yeah, that context was completely lost to me so I thought you were replying to skippy
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[Natris1979]
hey guys, just updated this page: https://indieweb.org/Google_Play_Music#Tristan_Havelick with how I feature what music I'm listening to on my website. I hope someone finds it useful
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skippy
there are a couple of Hugo users in here, all doing different things. I am happy to talk about it with anyone looking to implement it!
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Zegnat
That looks awesome [Natris1979]!
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[Natris1979]
@Zegnat thanks! I was just implementing simple blog functionality, then I thought "eh, everyone does that first, I'm going to do something different". Blog functionality is coming next though 🙂
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Zegnat
https://indieweb.org/listen - has some more examples of people tracking what they are listening to. [eddie] even used some microformats (https://indieweb.org/listen#Eddie_Hinkle)
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[Natris1979]
Oh cool I wasn't aware of that page, it's cool to see someone using microformats.. I wanted to mark mine up but wasn't sure of the best way to do it. Looks like I'll take Eddie's lead
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[Natris1979]
also inspired to figure out how to add podcasts 🙂
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[eddie]
Hi [Natris1979] GWG even accepts listen posts sent via webmention on his podcast pages. See this podcast page: https://david.shanske.com/2018/05/08/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-4-webmentions-and-privacy/
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[Natris1979]
[eddie] GWG?
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[eddie]
That’s his IRC handle on here
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[Natris1979]
oh gotcha
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[eddie]
As far as podcasts did you mean you would like to add listen posts of podcasts or create podcasts themselves?
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[Natris1979]
I mean add listen posts of podcasts
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[eddie]
Do you use an iPhone or Android? I ask because I am developing an iPhone app that I use to post mine
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[Natris1979]
I use Android
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Zegnat
You could also use a gPodder compatible player. Which can sync your listening status to a server: https://www.gpodder.net/
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Zegnat
As with librefm, you’ll have to use the API to pull out what episodes you have listened to completion. But I believe that is possible.
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[eddie]
Ahh okay, I’m probably not much help then 😁
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[eddie]
That’s a great approach, Zegnat!
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[Natris1979]
I actually mostly listen on Google Home these days, I'm wondering if I can use the same technique that lastcast (what I'm using to track plays from Google Play Music) uses to easedrop on ChromeCast devices to get that data
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[Natris1979]
probably not though.. that's what I get for using a closed source device
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Zegnat
I am not sure how PodCasts work there, so I can’t comment on that.
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[Natris1979]
I was honestly pretty surprised I could get the google play data
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[Natris1979]
*google play music
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Zegnat
I have been looking into gPodder a bit. But I can’t bring myself to leave Pocket Casts as my player just yet :(
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[jgmac1106]
[Natris1979] I collect every song my phone overhears been that way since Oreo I think
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[Natris1979]
[jgmac1106] oh that's neat
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[Natris1979]
Not sure I want to record listens to the crappy music I hear in restaurants though 😛
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gRegorLove
What's lastcast?
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Zegnat
Huh, I have had Facebook in andOTP for a while now ... thought I already didn’t do SMS 2FA
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[kim_landwehr]
What is Telegraph?
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Zegnat
Huh, apparently they did also enable text messages. Just a single “remove number” button there now :D So easy to make my FB safer
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Zegnat
What the hell Facebook!
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Zegnat
PSA: Do not press the “remove number” button! It will disable 2FA completely!
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Zegnat
goes to document UI
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snarfed
easy Zegnat. you're right, the UI isn't great, it says that if you already had 2FA on. but then you can re-enable it without re-enabling SMS
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snarfed
my fb account now has app-based 2FA and my phone # is completely removed
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[Natris1979]
[gregorlove] lastcast is a thing that allows you to record plays on Chromecast devices to libre.fm or last.fm: https://github.com/erik/lastcast
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Loqi
[erik] lastcast: Scrobble music playing on Chromecast (from Spotify, Google Play, SoundCloud, ...) to last.fm and libre.fm
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snarfed
change just launched, i expect they'll continue polishing the UI
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Zegnat
Sure. But I already had a device setup for 2FA, and it knew that (there was a “remove app” button). It feels extremely counter intuitive that removing my phone number than disables 2FA completely and will need me to set up the TOTP again. And reprint all my recovery codes. Etc.
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snarfed
agreed! misleading UI. needs improvement.
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snarfed
still, i think we'd obviously recommend that everyone do that "remove SMS, re-enable with just app, regenerate backup codes" dance to improve security
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gRegorLove
What is Telegraph?
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Loqi
Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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Zegnat
Oh, definitely, just understand that you’ll be removing 2FA first
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gRegorLove
(no space before the question, [kim_landwehr] ^ )
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Zegnat
Interesting, it doesn’t assign recovery codes by default either. You have to go and “set up” those.
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gRegorLove
Thanks, [Natris1979]! I need to check out libre.fm
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gRegorLove
Though I'd prefer something that scrobbles directly from my phone and/or the browser.
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dgold
what is scrobble
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Loqi
A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/scrobble
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[Natris1979]
[gregorlove] I think that libre.fm has an app and a chrome plugin for that. Not sure of the details
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mattl
we don’t have either. there is a good third party scrobbler for Android
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mattl
Depends on what OS and software you have. Our design let’s virtually any old Last.fm client ever made work but we have better support in some applications
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Zegnat
Scrobbling from the browser would be nice. Doubly nice if it can track what I watch on YouTube.
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mattl
Me and Libre.fm
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mattl
Zegnat: you can do that. There’s a Chrome plugin for that.
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[Natris1979]
@matt1: oh did you make/work on Libre.fm? Cool!
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mattl
You can even tell it which categories on YouTube to consider.
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Zegnat
Happen to know the plugin? I have been hunting for a YouTube Watch History plugin for a while and very close to building my own
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mattl
Yep. I’m the founder/owner.
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mattl
Let me look.
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mattl
Web Scrobbler
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[Natris1979]
@mattl awesome thanks for making that. It's super cool
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mattl
Thanks. I plan to do some more work on it some day.
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[Natris1979]
Looks like there's a last.fm chrome plugin that could probably modified to work with libre.fm
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Zegnat
https://github.com/web-scrobbler/web-scrobbler - looks like it is available for Firefox as well
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Loqi
[web-scrobbler] web-scrobbler: Scrobble music all around the web!
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mattl
Check out the Web Scrobbler plugin. Seems really nice to me.
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Zegnat
I am definitely checking that out!
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mattl
Oh I'm glad it supports Firefox now too.
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Zegnat
It also seems to include Google Analytics by default, so people’s opinions on that may vary. (Seems to be opt-out-able though.)
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@sil
↩️ one nice thing with webmentions (apart from the indieweb crowd feeling a bit like the way the world was when we all got into this in about 2003) is that bridgy exists so all the twitter/etc comments show up as webmentions.
(twitter.com/_/status/999708931105738752)
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@jgmac1106
↩️ We will see about #ncte18. The NCTE>Thanksgiving>LRA and find time to teach turn around is crazy, but @NCTE been most forward thinking in awhile. Though I think our professional orgs need to move to an #IndieWeb model where members have their own blogs… https://jgregorymcverry.com/ncte18youcoming/
(twitter.com/_/status/999713021235728384)
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@anomalily
Can people remind me why I shouldn’t just go with Shopify? Expensive, closed hosting, can’t modify in HTML. Right? RIGHT? But so much easier than wrestling with woocommerce. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/999722570692706304)
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Zegnat
wooCommerce. Yikes.
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[jgmac1106]
I have to deal with WooCommerce all the time...ssooooooo slow
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[jgmac1106]
I still say the square and the credit card providers are going to pwn the build your own webpage market
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@waxpancake
By the way, if you remove the date parameter from that search and click "Latest," you get a strict reverse-chronological timeline with no algorithm junk. 🙌 https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=filter%3Afollows%20-filter%3Areplies&src=typd
(twitter.com/_/status/999704968524324864)
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gRegorLove
Shopify is pretty customizable in my experience.
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gRegorLove
But yeah, expensive.
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gRegorLove
Wow, that Twitter search is awesome.
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[Natris1979]
dang it, I thought that's how twitter worked normally
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[jgmac1106]
just use tweetdeck always chronological
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gRegorLove
I'd really rather just use my browser at this point. I'm not that invested in Twitter, just nostalgic.
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gRegorLove
Oh, Tweetdeck is web now. Interesting. Shows how long it's been since I used it.
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gRegorLove
So Tweetdeck web might work. Main issue is that the setting to turn off real-time tweet streaming doesn't seem to work.
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[jgmac1106]
Aww Tweetdeck as an Adobe Air app. Those were the days
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@chrismessina
↩️ Folks like @t @adactio et al continue to fight the good fight for the #IndieWeb https://vimeo.com/265121482 (Also, @Gargron w/ Mastodon, etc)
(twitter.com/_/status/999764434217123840)
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tantek
good afternoon #indieweb!
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[jgmac1106]
Evening all