#indieweb 2018-05-25

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skippy oh my! those adblock rules make Twitter so much better!
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skippy gRegorLove++ for sharing!
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gRegorLove keithjgrant++ I just passed it along :)
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF! At: 2018-05-30 17:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4ug1 (twitter.com/_/status/999809448116826112)
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@t going to IndieWeb Summit 2018! June 26-27th at the Elliot Center in Portland, Oregon! This will be the #indieweb #openweb #dweb event of the year. RSVPs limited to 100 total, sign-up before tickets sell-out: https://2018.indieweb.org/ http://tantek.com/t4ua1 (twitter.com/_/status/999824055942426626)
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[unoabraham] Duh... went to set it up, and find it's already there on Authy. Not sure why it's new news?
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@henrytherrien41 hotchat%fbo%littletomsissy%bruce68753741%angelissa% https://bit.ly/2kpkpPQ %honeyyxx%samantha%666%channelbrewing%ncms%lakersfan%lady%foxx%inappropriateworkout%soloq%childhoodcancer%assilicious%fanexpodallas%"lemme%type%in%twitter%com%home%mrpearltx%niman%indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/999849234877812741)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-05-25.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @akindolu lol I'm using https://indieweb.org/IndieMark roughly tbh (twitter.com/_/status/999870007310872576)
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@egoexpress Thanks to the @instapaper GDPR move I set up a @wallabagapp instance on my own site and moved all content over. Lovin' it. Another piece of the puzzle to get all my data under my control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/999890479750692865)
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@frankmeeuwsen http://Micro.blog is totaal (nog) niet interessant voor veel mensen. Dat wil niet zeggen dat het geen waarde heeft. Zo heeft een enthousiaste microblogger een wiki gemaakt. Go #indieweb ! https://m.b.wiki.eli.li/ (twitter.com/_/status/999903793591369729)
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sl007 latimes.com – off in EU …
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@vincentlistens There should be an #indieWeb alternative to Gravatar. I shouldn't need to create a wordpress account or upload my image to every_social_network. Host it on one place (my site) and just update it in one place. ..Or am I missing something? (twitter.com/_/status/999939057366036482)
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@EatPodcast ↩️ I may be missing something subtle here, but if you have a photo as part of your h-card, that works pretty well in an #indieweb context. Depending on the receiver, it can show up in likes, reposts, webmentions etc. (twitter.com/_/status/999943835454181376)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas
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[unoabraham] GM/GE folks.
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petermolnar Happy Towel Day! now; let's see that Facebook all of my data in JSON format download.
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petermolnar Facebook definitely changed the data export page since I last logged in in ~1 month ago
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petermolnar oh, this is intersting: ads/advertisers_who_uploaded_a_contact_list_with_your_information.json
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petermolnar Facebook export: mostly useless. Eg. 'even_invitation' have JSON entries with name, start, end - that's it. No link, no ID, no nothing to actually find the event on Facebook.
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petermolnar same for pages, friends, groups, basically everything
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petermolnar interesting info though: in your_posts.json every media attachment has EXIF and upload_ip extracted
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petermolnar so.. on Tumblr, if you remove the cookie consent switch, you are immediately redirected back to the agree to cookies and there's no way around it.
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petermolnar is this the very close end to tumblr?
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petermolnar oh, this applies to their RSS feeds as well
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swentel haha
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swentel apparently on twitter if you do not consent, the next screen is something like 'You are starting the process to remove your account'
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swentel with a continue button :)
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petermolnar ???
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jeremycherfas I appreciated the fact that Twitter made it really easy for me to opt out of almost everything.
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petermolnar https://gdprhallofshame.com/ -> https://gdprhallofshame.com/5-techcrunch-engadget-and-oath-cookie-gore/
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jjuran ugh
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skippy ahoy hoy
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jgmac1106 Good morning all
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@BertrandSoulier ↩️ @Julianoe_ Tu as regardé les plugins Indieweb ? Tout est fait 😉 (twitter.com/_/status/999981249694523392)
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[kevinmarks] Feed rot https://www.seroundtable.com/google-news-rss-feed-gone-25795.html
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petermolnar re [kevinmarks] you can't get consent for RSS - see tumblr RSS feeds are now displaying the Oath cookie page.
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jjuran Consent to do what, exactly?
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[jgmac1106] Didn't realize Danny Sullivan was at Google now. Maybe the RSS options will come back.
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sknebel petermolnar: interestingly, that hasn't happened for the tumblr feeds I follow. possibly Inoreader has deployed some workaround, or didn't trigger it for some reason
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petermolnar that's interesting
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petermolnar can you curl them?
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sknebel haven't looked into it in detail, just noticed that it works
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[jgmac1106] If we are talking curl maybe #dev better place?
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: just because a tech word sneaked in? :) Given this is a rather mixed topic of gdpr/consent/rss/cookies, maybe, maybe not
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[jgmac1106] yeah those are always the hardest decision, when does a conversation with an interstice connection to another channel become a new conversation
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petermolnar btw, I'm trying FreshRSS, that's failing as well ( https://github.com/FreshRSS/FreshRSS ) not just miniflux
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Loqi [FreshRSS] FreshRSS: A free, self-hostable aggregator…
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[jgmac1106] stupid Verizon: https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/936573 "What specifically is an IRC?"
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[jgmac1106] I can't believe they block IRC when tethering
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@voxpelli ↩️ Love the @indiewebcamp approach where one can have a static page like Jekyll (like I do) and still participate within the larger indieweb – no client-side requirements other than HTML (maybe can even work with plain text, not sure) (twitter.com/_/status/1000020148554817543)
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: is that a port or protocol specific block?
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[jgmac1106] Its a human stupidity block
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[jgmac1106] looks like an authorization problem
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dgold would love a server-only Fever-compatible RSS server
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dgold no UI, no bullshit.
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snarfed dgold: sounds similar to https://snarfed.org/microsub-bridge
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dgold snarfed: doesn't it though ;)
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@mlncn ↩️ To that i'll add that the recommendation to disable the access third-party apps have to your account, which made the rounds following Cambridge Analytica, means (as far as i and some #indieweb people can figure) that all POSSEd posts would disappear for Facebook users who do that (twitter.com/_/status/1000026849110618113)
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skippy miniflux-legacy has fever support. but isnt fever API dead?
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skippy are there any indieweb/micropub extensions for FreshRSS? Or for any reader, really? Still futzing with microsub, and not entirely sold onit.
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sknebel tt-rss and the nextcloud reader have micropub extensions
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sknebel and we'd be interested in your criticisms of microsub!
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skippy thanks. nextcloud reader appears abandoned, and nextcloud is a very heavy solution for just a reader.
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skippy tt-rss developer is a raging asshole, so I'm turned off from using his work. :(
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skippy sknebel: largest critique is mostly just due to its newness. still work-in-progress on client side interfaces.
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petermolnar seems like writing extensions for freshrss is not too hard
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skippy little too much for me to bite off right now. but i'd happily throw some money at someone who writes a micropub extension, so i could repost / reply / etc
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[jgmac1106] @skippy do we have what ever the open source equivalent of "bounty pools" are going anywhere or do general donations to indieweb get funneled out in microgrants or anything?
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skippy there's a fund mentioned on the wiki, but i dont recall the distribution details
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skippy https://opencollective.com/indieweb
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skippy https://indieweb.org/open_collective
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Omnibear version 1.1.0" https://omnibear.com/releases/1.1.0/
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skippy yay! omnibear update!
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Loqi :D
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[keithjgrant] Publishing now to Chrome + Firefox 😁
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skippy [keithjgrant]++
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[keithjgrant] I'm writing up a page for omnibear.com on the new logging feature
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sknebel [keithjgrant]++
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sknebel didn't you have a page with how to look at the extension in the dev tools to?
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sknebel I looked for that recently and failed to find it
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[keithjgrant] I didn't have it written up anywhere, though I've given the step-by-step on here a few times
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[keithjgrant] it's convoluted and differs by browser. i'm hoping the centralized logging will simplify things
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[jgmac1106] thx @kiethjgrant omnibear is awesome
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swentel snarfed, the webmention endpoint for fed.brid.gy to send to is https://fed.brid.gy/webmention ?
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swentel should've asked in dev sorry
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snarfed swentel: yup. normal discovery on https://fed.brid.gy/ should work
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snarfed https://fed.brid.gy/#use
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swentel ok, let me try, I think I should be able to reply now (fingers crossed)
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snarfed expect it to be brittle, at best 😢
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swentel no worries :)
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swentel I'm marking this as experimental too in the drupal module :)
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swentel lol
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swentel 202 response! If this is Mastodon 1.x, their signature verification probably failed. :(
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snarfed yuuuuup that's the most common one when everything else works
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snarfed whee
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swentel tried replying to https://mastodon.technology/@snarfed/3194674
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Working on connecting Mastodon with the #IndieWeb! https://fed.brid.gy/ https://snarfed.org/indieweb-ostatus-bridge
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snarfed mastodon sometimes/often responds 202, which means, "got it, everything checks out, but i still may not accept this, because reasons."
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snarfed (even 2.x)
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swentel hehe
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[jgmac1106] because reasons
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swentel in theory it should work on that url right, I see a reply from Greg there
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snarfed yup
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swentel ok, let me send it again (unless fed blocks double requests)
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sknebel do follows make it across now, or is Mastodon still expecting some Mastodon-isms there?
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snarfed it definitely can and does sometimes work! but sometimes not. we tracked down lots of those reasons, often along with the mastodon people, but not all.
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snarfed sknebel: follows...not really. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/21
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Loqi [snarfed] #21 translate following, both directions
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swentel funny that /responses say it's 'complete' though
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snarfed swentel: yeah, since it doesn't know any better
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swentel ah
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swentel lol
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swentel hehe
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snarfed 202 often means mastodon ate it, but occasionally means it worked
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snarfed more importantly (and re sknebel), bridgy fed's fatal flaw is that it only propagates responses back and forth right now, but what people really want is full featured interop, including following, propagating *posts* back and forth, etc
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swentel well, I follow in indigenous now, so that's kind of fine for me
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swentel (unless I miss something)
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snarfed swentel: but i assume you want mastodon users to be able to find you and see your posts too, right?
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Loqi misses something too
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snarfed which is still hard and brittle in general. details in https://fed.brid.gy/#If+you+want , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/18 , https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1441#issuecomment-302969948
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swentel yeah, that would be awesome indeed
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swentel hmm no luck on another url
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swentel maybe I am missing something
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swentel snarfed, is the atom feed required to be able to send a reply to mastodon ?
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb!
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snarfed swentel: maybe? often i think yes. at least the link, even if mastodon doesn't care much what's in it
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snarfed iirc this has varied across mastodon releases 😂😭
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snarfed hey [cleverdevil]
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swentel heh
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swentel ok let me try that out
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swentel that piece of content was not in my atom feed
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snarfed but if it mattered, i think you'd get non-2xx response
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swentel oh
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swentel yeah, probably
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[keithjgrant] I wrote up quick rundown on the new Omnibear logging feature, to help with any troubleshooting: https://omnibear.com/troubleshooting/
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dansup Hmm, I think I will test bridgy against https://pixelfed.org AP
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snarfed dansup++
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@keithjgrant Hey IndieWeb people: Omnibear 1.1.0 is publishing now to Chrome & Firefox stores! https://omnibear.com/releases/1.1.0/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000061144848125953)
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[miklb] anyone going to backfill their stuff 🙂 https://twitter.com/GHchangelog/status/1000068005626294272
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@GHchangelog You can now request an archive of your repository, issue, comment, and other GitHub data in a single file. Learn how now. https://blog.github.com/changelog/2018-05-24-personal-data-access/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000068005626294272)
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@ChrisAldrich Had an interesting time at the @InnovatPasadena coffee meetup this morning. I enjoyed meeting several people working in areas of AI and marketing that I think could benefit from some of the technology developed by the IndieWeb community. https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/25/innovate-pasadena-coffee-ai-marketing/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000075179077206016)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I'm curious what your thoughts were on @dsearls article: http://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2018/05/12/gdpr/ Is there a better way for publishers to own their own adtech in a more decentralized #IndieWeb sort of way? What would that look like? (twitter.com/_/status/1000076129838002176)
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[kevinmarks] [snarfed] any idea why twitter is not cooperating with brid.gy for me?
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] Re: bounty pools, etc. https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-05-25#t1527263807248800 the idea is scheduled for some discussion at IWS: https://indieweb.org/2018/Leaders#non-profit_organization
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Loqi [[jgmac1106]] @skippy do we have what ever the open source equivalent of "bounty pools" are going anywhere or do general donations to indieweb get funneled out in microgrants or anything?
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jgmac1106_ [chrisaldrich] We will see what leaders think. I am traveling on Unviersity dime so I am going to do the $100 ticket
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jgmac1106_ [chrisaldrich] nothing is stopping folks from starting a Patreon channel or paypal link now.
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jgmac1106_ and was going to record a video showing people how to update Known over sftp but “Paddington Bear” ended and now the soundtrack would be screaming children rather than cheesy music. Need to build a proper studio in my basement
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jgmac1106_ will work on post for [wiobyrne] who is just trying to collect all the posts from #IndieWeb WordPress people on all the plug-ins they install to make workflow function. Most have already written one and we are collecting these posts so please ping #wordpress with a link if you have one
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: you were paused for a while, so it was just working hard to catch up. looks like that's done!
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[kevinmarks] I had to get it to recrawl the site as well as the twitter, thats what I missed earlier.
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snarfed jgmac1106: also re funding, https://opencollective.com/indieweb
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@acwagner ↩️ Naja, man muss alles faken und sie dann auf externe Seiten schicken - alles wenig User friendly und unschön. Da könnte man auch eine Printzeitung drucken mit QR-Codes. Wäre vom Prinzip dasselbe ... Die multimediale Hyperkultur zwischen Plattformen & Indieweb ist jetzt defekt. (twitter.com/_/status/1000104856131170307)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/cassidoo/status/1000036292283977728?s=19
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@cassidoo @bagder @PretendStore @Fuzzco Gotchu 😉 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeDXtJzUwAERvFB.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1000036292283977728)
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[jgmac1106] Thx @snarfed
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-05-25.html
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@swentel Experimenting to add support in the #drupal #indieweb module to interact with the fediverse via https://fed.brid.gy/. I can like and repost on Mastodon already! Atom feeds can be exposed now too, WebSub is next! #exciting (twitter.com/_/status/1000112787996184576)
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[kevinmarks] do we need to define GDPR;DR now?
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Zegnat Ha, maybe
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Zegnat Just read your tweet [kevinmarks], I actually thought you meant something else
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Zegnat I thought you meant all the email that mention GDPR in their subject going unread. Rather than not reading a website :P
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[kevinmarks] you clearly don't click on as many US news sites as I do
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[Vanessa] Yeah, I gather a lot of them have cut us off…
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[jgmac1106] Who wants to read Tronc news anywaya
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sknebel dansup: what language are you writing pixelfed in?
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dansup sknebel: PHP, using the laravel framework. https://github.com/dansup/pixelfed
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Loqi [dansup] pixelfed: Federated Image Sharing
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-05-25.html
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, #indieweb
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dansup sknebel: there is a python alternative called zinat :)
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tantek darn it
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sknebel dansup: thx, hadn't seen that one yet
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[jgmac1106] Should have checked newsletter. The vHWC on Pacific time
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tantek huh? no it didn't make it in
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tantek because it wasn't added to /Events for discovery
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tantek until just moments ago
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[jgmac1106] It's there just wrong time
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[jgmac1106] Didn't know about /events don't know much about newsletter innards at all
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dansup sknebel: also an elixir one too! https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/100048150149123204
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Loqi [PixelFed] YSK: @pea and @yabirgb are also working on similar projects, and they will be fully compatible with #pixelfed!I look forward to fontina and zinat! https://github.com/beta-phenylethylamine/fontina https://github.com/yabirgb/zinat
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tantek [jgmac1106]: "It's there" - WHERE?
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tantek it's certainly not in https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-05-25.html
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tantek oh in "New Wiki Pages" - but not in events
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] last bullet under Hombrew Website Meetuo
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[jgmac1106] Says Eastern Time. It's Pacific
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tantek oh for next week
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tantek I was talking about the vHWC EU that happened *this* week on the 23rd
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[jgmac1106] But it says upcoming events, not past events. Are we talking about same thing?
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[jgmac1106] Will check page [chrisaldrich] made it
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[jgmac1106] Crap on Slack [chrisaldrich]
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tantek [jgmac1106]: that's my point above the "Recent Events" module is *empty* and not showing up at all
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tantek likely because Loqi didn't find any events on /Events in the past week
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-05-25.html (twitter.com/_/status/1000138195860770816)
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[Natris1979] is there anyone thinking about IndieWeb for the masses, ie, those not really technical enough or simply not inclined to take the time to set up their own website manually? Is there a wiki page along those lines?
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[miklb] what is micro.blog
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Loqi micro.blog is an indie microblogging service started by Manton Reece, which supports microformats2, Webmention, and Micropub https://indieweb.org/micro.blog
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KartikPrabhu what is known?
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/known
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KartikPrabhu what is wordpress?
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Loqi WordPress is open source CMS software used by many on the Indieweb as well as a blog hosting service https://indieweb.org/WordPress
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KartikPrabhu see also: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/better-social-networks ;)
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] B: We need a better social network. A: Do you like ads? B: No! A: Can I sell your data? B: No! A: Can I have your data anyway? B: No! A: Do you want to host it yourself? B: No! A: Do you want to pay for this better social network? B: No! A: OK, bye!
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tantek [Natris1979]: see indieweb.org/Generations
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[Natris1979] lol, yeah, it's a problem for sure
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[Natris1979] good to know people are thinking about this stuff!
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[Natris1979] I feel like it's not as important (though it would be cool) for people to be able to have their own domain day one, it should be as easy for a user to move from whatever easy thing they set up with a third party to move to their own url/website
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tantek [Natris1979]: as people said about people having their own phone numbers in the 1980s
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tantek and domain names are cheaper than phone numbers, annually
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[Natris1979] [tantek] good point
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tantek "just" a matter of making them as easy / easier to use
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[Natris1979] yeah..
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[Natris1979] I'd add to @KartikPrabhu's post:
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[Natris1979] A: Is there some generous benefactor(s) willing to pay for all this for you/society
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[Natris1979] B: Eh, probably not..
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[Natris1979] ie, the NPR/PBS model.. which is hard to get of the ground
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KartikPrabhu mostly "generous" benefactors want something else like you data
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KartikPrabhu so FB and Twitter and Google count as those
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[Natris1979] @KartikPrabhu that's different, I'm talking about a non-profit model where you'd still own you own data and the costs were paid for not from selling data but as a *true* public service, not as a data warehouse masquerading as a benevolent organization.
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[Natris1979] not saying ti's viable, just saying it's different
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KartikPrabhu still not seeing how "costs are paid"
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[Natris1979] donations
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tantek [Natris1979]: no one expects donations for their phone service / phone number
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[Natris1979] [tantek] true
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[Natris1979] just saying the "public radio" option is an option. Not saying we couldn't make "pay for it yourself" work. I think that paying for your own stuff ala your phone is probably the most viable option
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tantek [Natris1979]: it's likely the most sustainable option that respects user-privacy and user-ownership
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[Natris1979] [tantek] agreed
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tantek also related: https://indieweb.org/Why_web_sign-in#But_a_domain_is_a_big_investment
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