#indieweb 2018-05-26
2018-05-26 UTC
[cleverdevil] joined the channel
# 
[cleverdevil] It'd be awesome if someone created one or more TLDs whose entire function was to be guaranteed cheap forever.
# [cleverdevil] Like, $0.99/year.
# [cleverdevil] True.
# 
snarfed reminds me of https://posthaven.com/
# snarfed ...and amusingly, also http://www.posterous.com/
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
# 
[jgmac1106] I will guarantee change forever. Actually struggling to think of anything that exists in a permanent state. Which begs the question how can one be in a permanent state of change? #FridayPhilosphyAlwaysTheWorst
cdchapman, snarfed and electronicmaji joined the channel
# 
Loqi [indienews] New post: "📺 Webstock ‘18: Jeremy Keith – Taking Back The Web | Vimeo" https://vimeo.com/265121482 (from https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/25/webstock-18-jeremy-keith-taking-back-the-web-vimeo/)
renem, snarfed, electronicmaji, eli_oat and [tantek] joined the channel
[Natris1979] joined the channel
# [Natris1979] seems reasonable to me
# [Natris1979] I can't imagine focusing on the same thing for too long without breaks
tantek_, toomim, AngeloGladding, [dougbeal], tantek, barpthewire, renem, wolftune, KartikPrabhu and [chrisaldrich] joined the channel
# 
[chrisaldrich] What is MyData?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MyData" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "MyData is ____", a sentence describing the term)
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
# [chrisaldrich] What is own your data?
# Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE, and if so, preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts) https://indieweb.org/own_your_data
# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.lvm.fi/documents/20181/859937/MyData-nordic-model/" to the "See Also" section of /own_your_data https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47984&oldid=47891
# [chrisaldrich] own_your_data << https://mydatafi.wordpress.com/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://mydatafi.wordpress.com/" to the "See Also" section of /own_your_data https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47985&oldid=47984
# 
@EddieHinkle Man, CoreData can be a pain! CoreData funkiness is currently the biggest thing holding back me getting the next beta of Indigenous for iOS out. Hopefully I can fix it soon so it doesn’t hold up 1.0 for the IndieWeb Summit 😞 (twitter.com/_/status/1000267929437573120)
# 
@ChrisAldrich So much great overlap of so many related things in this @jimgroom video covering #DoOO #ds106 #edtech #MyData #indieweb. Can't wait to delve further into work by @apoikola @kaikuikkaniemi and @HarriHonko.
https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/25/republica-2018-jim-groom-domain-of-ones-own-reclaim-your-data-youtube/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000275201555222528)
sebsel joined the channel
pindonga joined the channel
# 
@dsearls Great stuff. It's essential to keep exposing how #tracking-based #adtech fails. Bonus link: http://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/the-adblock-war/ HTs @VRM @CustomerCommons @dmarti @AdContrarian @acfou @WhiteOps @jason_kint @profcarroll @JLINCLabs @aral @vinay @benwerd @shoshanazuboff @indiewebcamp @DCNorg (twitter.com/_/status/1000296131207811072)
noLogg joined the channel
# noLogg THIS IS AN EMERGENCY NOTICE THIS IS NOT SPAM: THIS NOTICE IS CURRENTLY GOING OUT TO ALL CHANNELS THROUGH THE FREENODE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM: GRUMBLE HAS INADVERTENTLY NOT RESET THE FREENODE SECURITY PASSWORD CAUSING A BREAK IN FREENODE SECURITY WHERE ALL PASSWORDS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. PLEASE SEE GRUMLE IN #FREENODE FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO SECURE YOUR ACCOUNT!!
# noLogg THIS IS AN EMERGENCY NOTICE THIS IS NOT SPAM: THIS NOTICE IS CURRENTLY GOING OUT TO ALL CHANNELS THROUGH THE FREENODE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM: GRUMBLE HAS INADVERTENTLY NOT RESET THE FREENODE SECURITY PASSWORD CAUSING A BREAK IN FREENODE SECURITY WHERE ALL PASSWORDS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. PLEASE SEE GRUMLE IN #FREENODE FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO SECURE YOUR ACCOUNT!!
# noLogg THIS IS AN EMERGENCY NOTICE THIS IS NOT SPAM: THIS NOTICE IS CURRENTLY GOING OUT TO ALL CHANNELS THROUGH THE FREENODE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM: GRUMBLE HAS INADVERTENTLY NOT RESET THE FREENODE SECURITY PASSWORD CAUSING A BREAK IN FREENODE SECURITY WHERE ALL PASSWORDS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. PLEASE SEE GRUMLE IN #FREENODE FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO SECURE YOUR ACCOUNT!!
tae and jeremycherfas joined the channel
# 
jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
catsup and [quinnvinlove] joined the channel
# [quinnvinlove] Good thing I use slack 😅
# jeremycherfas So what did that NOT SPAM message mean in practical terms? Change my Freenode settings?
# jeremycherfas I thoght so too, until I saw the comment from [quinnvinlove]
# jeremycherfas Ah. Well, it kind of zipped by quickly as I scanned the logs, so I didn't pay too much attention.
eli_oat, iasai, barpthewire, jonnybarnes, margeas, markong, aexoxea and Pierre-O joined the channel
# 
@postwithme ↩️ Oh this is great! We're building an ad Tech free social media platform that serves the people and journalists rather than the big corporations and honestly it's hard to get momentum because it's such a different model but I'm really really happy to see this so thank you!!! (twitter.com/_/status/1000366363758776321)
margeas joined the channel
# 
@PrivacyCoachPro ↩️ Until every publisher builds a thin page, everyone should install a tracker blocking extension which removes much of the bloat from most pages you visit. Faster load times. @DuckDuckGo is simplest but @disconnectme @Ghostery @PrivacyBadger all good choices. (twitter.com/_/status/1000371440284327936)
iasai joined the channel
# 
@dmarti ↩️ Good point. Blocking tracking scripts accounts for most of the 2.4x speed advantage for #Firefox Private Browsing compared to Google Chrome's Incognito Mode. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/20/firefox-private-browsing-vs-chrome-incognito/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000372780662116353)
markong joined the channel
# 
@jason_kint ↩️ Firefox Quantum does this at the browser level. Safari better, too. (twitter.com/_/status/1000373501226823680)
[kevinmarks] joined the channel
margeas, markong and [kim_landwehr] joined the channel
# @dsearls ↩️ People can also turn off third party everything, which is the simplest and easiest way to zero-base the commercial Web, post-GDPR. @CustomerCommons has instructions for five browsers here: http://customercommons.org/home/tools/cookies/block-3rdparty/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000377864557154304)
# @dmarti ↩️ The other @firefox setting you need is here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tracking-protection#w_how-to-turn-tracking-protection-on (Sometimes mistakenly detected as an ad blocker, so here's the workaround I use: https://blog.zgp.org/time-saving-tip-for-firefox-57/ ) (twitter.com/_/status/1000379247318347776)
# 
@aral ↩️ Let’s also not forget:
* uBlock Origin: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
* Better Blocker (which Laura and I make) – https://better.fyi (source: https://source.ind.ie/better/) (twitter.com/_/status/1000379833304731648)
# @dmarti ↩️ The new browser wars are on, competing to offer the best web experience by protecting users from creepy stuff without breaking site features or the data sharing that users choose to do. (twitter.com/_/status/1000381404272779266)
leg and wolftune joined the channel
# @dsearls ↩️ I just added Better to the list here http://cyber.harvard.edu/projectvrm/VRM_Development_Work#Tracking_Protection But I'm not sure what to call it. Is there a summary description? Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/1000383020723994624)
# @dmarti ↩️ IMHO there are 3 categories:
1. pure tracking protection tools (Privacy Badger, Disconnect)
2. ad+tracker blockers (uBlock Origin)
3. adtech-driven blockers with paid whitelisting (Google-supported Adblock Plus)
Put Better in category 1 because it allows non-tracking ads? (twitter.com/_/status/1000384040237649920)
snarfed, Kyle-K and karkomah joined the channel
# @aral ↩️ Sure. I have nothing against display ads that don’t use surveillance. In fact, we should be supporting, not blocking, (the very few) sites that use display ads instead of adtech. (twitter.com/_/status/1000389776271380480)
Kyle-K left the channel
# @aral ↩️ (@dsearls Has a great article on his blog about how advertising isn’t adtech and how marketing/branding/advertising folks can and should differentiate themselves from that toxic model. Well worth a read. I’ve also been telling that industry the same thing at recent talks.) (twitter.com/_/status/1000390245311971330)
snarfed, barpthewire and maingo joined the channel
# 
@acfou ↩️ As does Brave and Brave can also block those pesky device fingerprinting too (twitter.com/_/status/1000413069720342528)
wolftune joined the channel
# Loqi [indienews/de] New post: "Ein IndieWeb Podcast" https://notiz.blog/2018/05/26/ein-indieweb-podcast/
sebsel and barpthewire joined the channel
barpthewire and friedcell joined the channel
# 
@t73fde liest (und hört dann endlich): "Ein IndieWeb Podcast" von @pfefferle über Podcasts von @ChrisAldrich https://notiz.blog/2018/05/26/ein-indieweb-podcast/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000432684160770048)
barpthewire, AngeloGladding and jalcine joined the channel
# 
@pfefferle Ein IndieWeb Podcast https://notiz.blog/2018/05/26/ein-indieweb-podcast/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000442979490942976)
sebsel and ioMegasBahamutAl joined the channel
leg and [miklb] joined the channel
[cleverdevil], [grantcodes], AngeloGladding, otirc and [chrisaldrich] joined the channel; otirc left the channel
# [chrisaldrich] Audrey Watters has some interesting IndieWeb-esque things in this interesting article: http://hackeducation.com/2018/05/04/cuny-labor-open feels like it should be put on the /why page, but I'm unsure of what heading to place it...
wolftune, snarfed, electronicmaji, [cleverdevil], [grantcodes], cdchapman and KartikPrabhu joined the channel