#indieweb 2018-05-27

2018-05-27 UTC
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/fr3ino/status/1000166112615714816
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@fr3ino Because of #GDPR, USA Today decided to run a separate version of their website for EU users, which has all the tracking scripts and ads removed. The site seemed very fast, so I did a performance audit. How fast the internet could be without all the junk! 🙄 5.2MB → 500KB https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeFLgPoWsAAaozG.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1000166112615714816)
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tantek_ wow
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tantek_ GDPR << https://twitter.com/fr3ino/status/1000166112615714816
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/fr3ino/status/1000166112615714816" to the "See Also" section of /GDPR https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48000&oldid=47873
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[Natris1979] that's a neat trick
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@dmarti ↩️ Clearly, ads in context can have a powerful economic role that spam-like targeted ones can't. (I'm planning to talk about how sites and browsers can help the audience participate in privacy-enabled reputation->signal positive feedback, at #nudgestock2018 http://www.nudgestockfestival.co.uk/ ) (twitter.com/_/status/1000591353145782274)
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@dsearls ↩️ Okay, I just added the summary from @BetterBlocker (twitter.com/_/status/1000616331597832192)
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@chrisbergr ↩️ Seit ca 2 Monaten nutze ich tatsächlich die App „Podcasts“ auf meinem iPhone täglich auf dem Weg zur Arbeit. Dieser und „this Week in the indieweb“ gehören natürlich dazu. Verstehe gar nicht, warum ich früher nie Podcasts gehört habe. (twitter.com/_/status/1000644917432147968)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning Zegnat
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sknebel good morning indieweb
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dgold hello world
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jeremycherfas Good morning sknebel and zegnat and dgold, who must be feeling at least partly better about the world.
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dgold I'm feeling wonderful about the world
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dgold yesterday was a good day.
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Zegnat isn’t use what we are talking about
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dgold -> #-chat
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davy__ I've yet to implement webmentions or any especially dynamic features like that. (I do have weblogin thanks to selfauth! Zegnat++) I'm currently working on a subscriptions page which only I can see where it gives me a feed of content from rss feeds, other indieweb sites and so on. I thought I'd share this because I'm quite proud of it so far. https://davy.tyrrell.co/
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Zegnat Those instant feed filters are pretty cool!
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davy__ Thanks!
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davy__ is afk: going to the Sunday market
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@jgmac1106 Successfully added microformats2 to @cogdog’s Dimension WordPress theme so your calling card will play nice with #IndieWeb tools. Almost 90% of the updates can be done using just the customizer and the custom menus. You will have to add one line to the… https://jgregorymcverry.com/2917-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000727605463670784)
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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GWG Morning, tantek
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davy__ Good morning.
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@cathieleblanc Self-platforming, #DoOO, and Academic Workflow--lots to think about: https://simulacrumbly.com/domain-of-ones-own/self-platforming/ #IndieWeb #Open (twitter.com/_/status/1000750221926821889)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Have few things to change. Thx to folks in the #IndieWeb WordPress channel for the help. Need to fix the h-entry. Also still debating whether to add the h-card the wrapper. The entire one page theme was designed as a business card. So from matching… https://jgregorymcverry.com/cogodogdimension/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000765185949339649)
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tantek This site is amazing: http://lifefaker.com/ both for social media, and the implications for indieweb
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jeremycherfas Are you buying it? I'm not sure that it isn't a "project" of some sort. But I'll suspend judgement for now. And it is definitely entertaining.
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tantek jeremycherfas: keep clicking :)
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jeremycherfas I did. And it was some of the destinations that made me think "project" Like Why did you make it? And the one about Boyfriend pictures.
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Zegnat js;dr?
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tantek It all eventually clicks through to a "project"
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jeremycherfas Ah ha. Finally followed all the way to https://sanctus.io/social-media-mental-health-b1803b6b475f Excellent.
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tantek :)
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jeremycherfas Do you listen to Benjamen Walker's podcast? The current series probably sensitised me to this.
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tantek have to admit my first response when seeing the "packages" was wait a minute, these photos are such good examples, that they could be turned into a "how to" list
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jeremycherfas I like too that they knowingly point the conversation to IG.
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tantek and Twitter!
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tantek jeremycherfas: so here's my question, how do we help folks avoid falling into the same "social media performance life" trap with their own websites?
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tantek (I have some ideas, but wanted to ask the question first)
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tantek and second question(s): What about the positive side? I have found a lot of positivity from (others') Instagram posts. Is one person's envy another person's inspiration? Where do you draw the line?
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jeremycherfas Those are good, interesting and important questions.
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jeremycherfas One answer might be to downgrade the relentless focus on numbers (of followers, likes, reposts). I think that's a good decision by @manton on m.b.
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tantek jeremycherfas: I agree that is good design
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tantek are they just not shown, or are they de-emphasized somehow in the UI? and if so, we should capture screenshots to show as examples for others to implement
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tantek TBH I rarely pay attention to the # of likes or comments on IG posts that I find inspirational.
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tantek Though one feature that has caught my eye is when IG lists other followings that have liked a post you're looking at, that feels more "social", like hey my friends liked this post, perhaps I should look more closely.
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aaronpk I do that with foursquare venues alllll the time
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aaronpk best indicator that I will like a place when i'm searching
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aaronpk "how many of my friends have also checked in there?"
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davidmead afternoon all
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tantek aaronpk - yeah that's a *major* factor for me when I look at 4sq venues
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tantek like I'll go to a lower rated place if more of my friends have been there
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davidmead is there an version of OwnYour… for Untappd? I thought I saw one a while ago but can’t find it now
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tantek jeremycherfas: perhaps another way to ask the question is to split it into reading and posting halves
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tantek i.e. how can you follow things to be inspired, but not made to feel inadequate? (or all the other negative things that article points out)
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tantek and how can you post (presumably real) things from your life to inspire others, but not make them feel inadequate?
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jeremycherfas I'm not even sure the indicators exist in m.b They certainly are not displayed. Perhaps they can be retrieved from the data.
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jeremycherfas Not to get too deep here, but aren't we fast approaching "The only beliefs you can change are your own" territory? All the research on "happiness" and positive psychology suggests that comparison is inbuilt and very hard to overcome. But you can learn how.
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tantek I do appreciate the facepiles on indieweb posts though (as distinct from like counts)
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jeremycherfas Me too. And the more I get, the better I feel about that post. BUT ... I also devalue likes and reposts from the silos quite considerably compared to actual interaction of some kind.
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dgold because a silo interaction is something gamified by the silo designers
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dgold whereas a personal site interaction is determined by an internal process
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tantek sure, towards their own ends, more views / time with the silo
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tantek (silo interactions that is)
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tantek dgold, ideally, yes, personal site interactions are more internally driven
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tantek trying to figure out how to document some of this on the wiki
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jeremycherfas Yes, and the gamification wouldn't work unless we were so predisposed to compare.
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tantek no it still works due to dopamine, without comparison
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jeremycherfas Im travelling tomorrow (o/ Dublin!) to I may even have time to write something. You've prompted an interesting line of thought tantek.
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jeremycherfas What do you suppose triggers the dopamine?
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jeremycherfas That's a physiological mechanism, but there are upstream motivators at play that the little drop of dopamine reinforces.
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tantek jeremycherfas: my understanding is that all (most?) social interactions, no matter how minor, trigger some dopamine, and thus through inconsistent reinforcement, you can gamify such interactions into being addictive
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tantek that is, both the act of one-click *liking* something releases dopamine in the liker, and the notification "your post was liked" releases dopamine in the receiver of the like
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tantek this predates social media though. the convenient/efficient email UI of blackberry phones contributed to the term crackberry to describe the emergent behavior
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jeremycherfas I think it goes a lot further back than even the crackberry, although that was perhaps an early example of technology making use of what is, I suspect, a long-standing and evolutionarily-selected behaviour.
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jeremycherfas I can remember, for example, that receiving a letter from a pen pal made me want to write more.
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tantek jeremycherfas: I suspect it goes further back as well, though I think crackberry may have been when the behavior became visible in public
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jeremycherfas And I'm sure you will find similar mechanisms in other animals.
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tantek s/visible/observable
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tantek whereas using your computer at home, playing video games at home, or receiving a letter at home is often a private activity, unnoticeable by others
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jeremycherfas I think the main point I want to make, which is tied up in the word "gamification", is that the technologists and others were taking advantage of a deep-seated behaviour pattern, which probably originally had survival value.
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tantek yes the "sticking with your group" and "maintaining your social ties" behaviors that were essential to survival when food/water/shelter etc. were scarce and/or required small group cooperative efforts to actually obtain
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@aaronpk Excited to announce that @GoDaddy is our newest sponsor of @IndieWebSummit, and that @sdepolo and @no will be joining us there next month! 🎉 https://2018.indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1000788799658409984)
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tantek woohoo!
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Loqi 😃
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[jgmac1106] @davidemead we could use h-review and webmentions and do untapd is a badge sayign I drank this beer, could even just do a reply post to the canonical link of the beer
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Guest19142 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd-pSbptwu38qx6gq7MoS5w? hat do you guys think?
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KartikPrabhu Guest19142: looks like a good idea what does the "A" in the logo stand for?
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Guest19142 -) no idea
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jalcine it looks familiar
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jalcine to the anarchy one
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jmac Visiting indieauth.com for the first time in a while and I see the note about twitter.com login not working any more. Which isn't shocking but it's still disappointing. Is there a news item somewhere about this?
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aaronpk jmac: I didn't have time to write up anything about it yet, but that's a good idea
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schmarty it'll be in this weekend's This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition, but a dedicated post with a permalink seems better. :}
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jmac Oh, it's that recent
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aaronpk permalinks++
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Loqi permalinks has 1 karma in this channel (4 overall)
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tantek jmac pretty sure someone (gRegorLove?) documented it on the wiki with its own heading
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KartikPrabhu what is Twitter?
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Loqi Twitter (also known as Twitter.com) is a popular content hosting silo most well known for originally limited to 140 characters text notes https://indieweb.org/Twitter
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KartikPrabhu https://indieweb.org/Twitter#Breaks_RelMeAuth
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KartikPrabhu jmac: ^
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jmac KartikPrabhu: I see, thanks!
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jmac The image of Lucy holding a football for Charlie Brown a bit further down the page continues to be quite on-point, vis a vis Twitter.
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dgold oh, I hadn't realised they'd done that
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dgold that was the sole reason I kept my account open
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jmac I look forward to the day I can start POSSEing to twitter via Plerd. I will have a party and you are all invited. Except you'll have to wait for me to implement h-event posts on Plerd first, sorry
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dgold what is plerd
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "plerd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "plerd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jmac Plerd is my custom blog software I've had since 2014, and which I've been working on an IndieWeb-aware branch for the last couple of months. Worth a Wiki page, I suppose?
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jmac (It's all FOSS, fwiw)
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KartikPrabhu jmac: if you are using it then yes it worth a page
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@schmarty Twitter tweaks, GDPR, and the many "B"s of blogging. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for May 19th - 25th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/05/27/155728/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000828869396631553)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • May 19th - 25th, 2018 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/483980 (twitter.com/_/status/1000829353574518785)
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@cathieleblanc Working on an #IndieWeb version of my photography blog. It's not done yet. http://cathieleblanc.com/photography/ (twitter.com/_/status/1000856056812142594)
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@bradenslen Stuff I Need for a Web Presence: Ratings: 10 = goody, 1 = meh. On page comments. 10 Organic site search (the more you post the more you need it) 9 Widgets (the ability to extend the CMS, add Indieweb features without ... http://bradfordenslen.com/2018/05/27/stuff-i-need.html (twitter.com/_/status/1000859228523909120)
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