#indieweb 2018-05-28

2018-05-28 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Dropping Twitter Support on IndieAuth.com" https://aaronparecki.com/2018/05/27/10/indieauth-twitter
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aaronpk a bit late but there you go
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tantek_ ouch
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@joshruns Saw the term #IndieWeb for the first time today. It's strange to learn about something you have been doing for 20+ years. (twitter.com/_/status/1000895803056115719)
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ctnox IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG #SUPERBOWL MEMORIAL DAY PARTY PLEASE NO NIGGERS
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Loqi That looks like spam, bye!
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ctnox IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG #SUPERBOWL MEMORIAL DAY PARTY PLEASE NO NIGGERS
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ctnox IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG #SUPERBOWL MEMORIAL DAY PARTY PLEASE NO NIGGERS
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Loqi That looks like spam, bye!
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Loqi That looks like spam, bye!
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aaronpk good job Loqi
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[quinnvinlove] Loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 66 karma in this channel (454 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Not all heroes wear capes!
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[cleverdevil] Loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 67 karma in this channel (455 overall)
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[Natris1979] *...
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[Natris1979] wow///
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[Natris1979] Loqi++
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[Natris1979] Has anyone ever used staticman?: https://staticman.net/ was reading about it on the gatsbyjs blog. Seems.. odd
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[jeremycherfas] @Loqi y u no monitor #indieweb-knownchat for spam?
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[quinnvinlove] Staticman seems too simple
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[quinnvinlove] Like of course you can load external files though frontend JS???
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[Natris1979] [quinnvinlove] no, it's actually changing your static files trough github, not JS
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[Natris1979] I think it would work even if your site had no JS at all
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[quinnvinlove] Oh, ok. Where does the script sit then?
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[Natris1979] On their servers presumably
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[Natris1979] not actually sure how they're supporting costs actually
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[quinnvinlove] It looks like they have a corporate sponsor
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[quinnvinlove] I thought this was the indieweb though, you gotta self host that 😤
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tantek_ as long as you're owning and controlling the URLs, your choice of backend code/services is up to you, because presumably if something goes wrong with those, you can switch and keep serving the same permalinks some other way
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[Natris1979] I think (though I could be wrong) that the idea is to self host your site and own your content, not necessarily that you host all your own tools.
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[quinnvinlove] That makes more sense then 😅
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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ben2 hello all, building a wordpress theme on indieweb prnciples and got news of this https://brid.gy/about#facebook-publish
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ben2 so there will no longer be the ability to syndicate from the wp backend, but entering syndication links manually will still enable backfeed form facebook? Do I understand that right?
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Zegnat ben2, as far as I know, backfeed from Facebook is still supported. See: https://brid.gy/about#which
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ben2 Thanks - after a bit more digging I can see it's a bit up in the air at the moment https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/814
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Loqi [snarfed] #814 facebook: redo app review for existing permission
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ben2 Should I be reassured that if the worst comes to the worst, it will always be possible for indiewebbers to scrape? (Which is what bridgy relies on for instagram I believe)
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Zegnat Until they break scraping, like Twitter just did, sure.
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Zegnat Also, if Bridgy ever stops working, no reason not to look into other systems that might connect with Facebook :)
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ben2 True...
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Open Social protocol eh? These days that means http://indieweb.org and the social Web working group http://opensocial.org redirects there (twitter.com/_/status/1001061372476772353)
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[jgmac1106] [davidmead] Looking at untapdd https://untappd.com/ and indieweb version would be mad easy, just use a check in post-kind and and h-review for each beer. Be best if you used the canonical link for the beer from the brewery for the h-review....The badges.....well still thinking on that
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ben2 @Zegnat What broke with twitter? Surely anything a non-logged-in user can see will always be scrapable somehow?
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Zegnat They broke how they deliver HTML on HTTP requests, basically. See https://aaronparecki.com/2018/05/27/10/indieauth-twitter
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Dropping Twitter Support on IndieAuth.com
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ben2 @Zegnat I don't fully understand that authentication issue I'm afraid. But it is still possible to scrape data from twitter. Scraping in general seems quite robust unlike relying on APIs
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Zegnat ben2, the issue is that, when you request a Twitter profile page, you get no HTML back to scrape.
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Zegnat This is why IndieAuth.com is failing the rel="me" check, there is no link to be found on Twitter profiles anymore
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swentel I wonder if we could help aaron refactoring indieauth.com to use the api as well
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Zegnat So scraping is still possible (they are getting data into your browser somehow), it has become a lot harder.
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Zegnat swentel, indieauth.com is open-source, so you could. But as aaronpk is planning to retire the service, I am not sure how valuable that work would be
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swentel hmm indieauth won't be retired iirc
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swentel still be used as authentication api no ?
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swentel for access tokens
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swentel that's at least the main difference I got when I asked him the difference between the two
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Zegnat I am actually not sure about that. As I understood it, IndieAuth.com would be split up into 2 separate new services. The second one handling the authorization_endpoint usecase.
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swentel hmm yeah, reading that now too
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Zegnat In part also because the name “IndieAuth.com” has been confusing. So getting it retired will hopefully help that a bit.
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swentel I wasn't aware that he would create a new service as well for authentication endpoint
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swentel that's fine :)
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Zegnat I think he has said that service will rely on username/password authentication though, so no need to worry about silos and their APIs there. But might be miss remembering.
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swentel right
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ben2 Sorry if this is the wrong place. I was just interested to have some open discussion about the direction of indieweb, in the aftermath of cambridge analytica and silos locking themselves down. It doesn't seem unlikely that soon nothing at all will be possible through facebook's API for instance. What can one do in that situation other than try and scrape?
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Zegnat Stop using Facebook is always an option on the table ;)
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ben2 Hehe
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Zegnat It all depends on your own personal use-case though, ben2. I know several of us do not cross-post with Facebook at all, or do not even have Facebook accounts. So those people see zero effect of silo API changes. Other people will have to look into the APIs and see what still is and isn’t possible. And I am going to assume there is also a group of people that will just look at the WordPress plugin directory and wait for a new Facebook
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Zegnat syndication plugin to be published.
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Zegnat All of those are valid views within IndieWeb, because it is about the personal website
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ben2 I need some comforting man... I suppose I'm putting effort into learning about the indieweb and building a wordpress theme on those ideas. I kinda want someone to tell me that the movement isn't going to go down the toilet as the silos get more private and agressive. It's about the personal website yes abolutely... but it's also about the POSSE and backfeed. I was initally attracted to the writing here https://indieweb.org/POSSE about staying in touch wi
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ben2 platform they use, and not resorting to 'everyone just blog on their own site'. For my use case if I can't backfeed from the big silos that EVERYONE I know uses, then this whole things is a little bit pointless. Which is why I keep bringing up scraping. Because I feel that no matter what, there will be that last bastion of info to use that the silos can't hide without reducing their reach and harming themselves
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ben2 *staying in touch with friends on whichever platform
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@jgmac1106 Thx @drewmcweeney for your work on an #IndieWeb bumper for my upcoming videos. It maybe your first open source contribution. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JYS2yjiPRdYg7CQBaIiW1gl3gnVNdX5g/view?usp=sharing And an 8-bit Easter Egg for @schmarty (https://jgregorymcverry.com/bumper/) (twitter.com/_/status/1001079885090213890)
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@jgmac1106 thank you @drewmcweeney for making an #IndieWeb bumper. I am excited to use it in my videos: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JYS2yjiPRdYg7CQBaIiW1gl3gnVNdX5g/view?usp=sharing Plus it has an 8-bit Easter Egg for @schmarty. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/2928-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1001080200451502080)
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Zegnat ben2, I wouldn’t doubt that people are going to keep trying to backfeed and sharing their code to do so :)
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swentel yeah, think so too
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swentel fwiw, mastodon for instance uses microformats by default
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swentel which is a great thing todo, because if suddenly everyone switches to that, we have enough parsers to backfeed :)
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Zegnat I answered the movement question more out of a principles (https://indieweb.org/principles) standpoint, and I do not see silo-interoperability or backfeed as a part of that.
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Zegnat I guess I personally just do not care about backfeed as I do not use it? Lots of people love backfeed, and have their networks on Facebook, so they will keep trying to bridge it!
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schmarty ben2: I wouldn’t be surprised to see syndication helper tools that run as browser extensions, letting the browser run all the JavaScript and do all the rendering, then pulling data out of the DOM.
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aaronpk Yeah don't worry about changing IndieAuth.com, it's not worth more effort there
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aaronpk IndieLogin.com is already a better experience for that half of the picture
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ben2 Ok thanks guys I feel better already... :)
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ben2 For context I'm working on a image grid-ish based theme with a developer friend of mine which is fully Mf2 compliant. I want to use it but probably anyone in a design based industry might like it. I'll be in touch later and maybe can be added to https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
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Zegnat You can just go and add anything to that page, though we would encourage you to get in touch as well, of course! ;)
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@WorldofWPress An IndieWeb reader: My new home on the internet #WordPress https://www.worldofwp.com/an-indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet/ https://t.co/z9hNxkv1fd (twitter.com/_/status/1001087631164346368)
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[miklb] yow
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@fakebaldur “An IndieWeb reader: My new home on the internet” https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1001115137908985861)
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "The Indieweb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR) // Sebastian Greger" http://ing.am/p/4Zg9 (twitter.com/_/status/1001123531994877957)
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@xuv RT @baldur@toot.cafe “An IndieWeb reader: My new home on the internet” https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet https://toot.cafe/@baldur/100107495721091918 (twitter.com/_/status/1001126059545251840)
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[snarfed] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAXG6DZEH/screenshot_20180528-084946.png?pub_secret=0852ae6238&name=Screenshot_20180528-084946.png [aaronpk] just fyi names in slack seen to have disappeared
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Zegnat I feel like that has been reported once before and figured itself out?
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aaronpk slack bug
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aaronpk they keep breaking the ios app
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[jgmac1106] they come and go
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[jgmac1106] desktop too
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[snarfed] android. np though!
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb. After a day or traveling I'm playing catch-up. Unlikely to do uch else for the next week or so.
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[cleverdevil] Hey, [aaronpk] it looks like Aperture is down. Just an FYI!
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aaronpk uhoh
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aaronpk fixed
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@tomwiththeweath If you have a micropub enpoint, it is super easy to like a post with Indigenous for Android. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1001171809893527553)
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[chrisaldrich] A long read about ux et al in social for a long weekend: http://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2018/5/21/invisible-asymptotes
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[chrisaldrich] It makes me think that a better, more configurable reader with multiple channels could certainly be the way to go...
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@PhoneBoy Someone thought my article on linking up a WordPress site with http://micro.blog was worth putting on the IndieWeb wiki entry for http://micro.blog. 👍🏻 (twitter.com/_/status/1001230485689778176)
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jmac Refresh my memory (because I'm sure I've asked this before)... is linking two articles on your own website via sending yourself a webmention an actually useful thing, or is that silly behavior? (Or both?)
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KartikPrabhu it is useful to collect mentions
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aaronpk I don't mind when my own posts show up as mentions on my other posts, kind of a "related posts" feature
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@PhoneBoy Someone thought my article on linking up a WordPress site with http://micro.blog was worth putting on the IndieWeb wiki entry for http://micro.blog. 👍🏻 https://microblog.phoneboy.com/2018/05/28/1285/ (twitter.com/_/status/1001236712045998080)
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jmac Yeah, cool, I hoped that was the case
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jmac After a long weekend of work I'm running an "OK, let's retroactively send ALL THE WEBMENTIONS" script on four years of blog posts. And of course most of them are links to my own prior articles, and I didn't think of that fact until I started.
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colelyman Hi all, I'm just getting interested in the IndieWeb movement and I am looking for some projects that I could contribute to. Are there any resources that anyone would recommend that list some projects that may need some contributions? Thanks!
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schmarty hi colelyman! and welcome! do you have a personal website?
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schmarty when it comes to indieweb, your personal website is your "primary" project. :}
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schmarty (for many folks, anyway)
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