tantek_as long as you're owning and controlling the URLs, your choice of backend code/services is up to you, because presumably if something goes wrong with those, you can switch and keep serving the same permalinks some other way
[Natris1979]I think (though I could be wrong) that the idea is to self host your site and own your content, not necessarily that you host all your own tools.
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ben2so there will no longer be the ability to syndicate from the wp backend, but entering syndication links manually will still enable backfeed form facebook? Do I understand that right?
ben2Should I be reassured that if the worst comes to the worst, it will always be possible for indiewebbers to scrape? (Which is what bridgy relies on for instagram I believe)
[jgmac1106][davidmead] Looking at untapdd https://untappd.com/ and indieweb version would be mad easy, just use a check in post-kind and and h-review for each beer. Be best if you used the canonical link for the beer from the brewery for the h-review....The badges.....well still thinking on that
ben2@Zegnat I don't fully understand that authentication issue I'm afraid. But it is still possible to scrape data from twitter. Scraping in general seems quite robust unlike relying on APIs
Zegnatswentel, indieauth.com is open-source, so you could. But as aaronpk is planning to retire the service, I am not sure how valuable that work would be
ZegnatI am actually not sure about that. As I understood it, IndieAuth.com would be split up into 2 separate new services. The second one handling the authorization_endpoint usecase.
ZegnatI think he has said that service will rely on username/password authentication though, so no need to worry about silos and their APIs there. But might be miss remembering.
ben2Sorry if this is the wrong place. I was just interested to have some open discussion about the direction of indieweb, in the aftermath of cambridge analytica and silos locking themselves down. It doesn't seem unlikely that soon nothing at all will be possible through facebook's API for instance. What can one do in that situation other than try and scrape?
ZegnatIt all depends on your own personal use-case though, ben2. I know several of us do not cross-post with Facebook at all, or do not even have Facebook accounts. So those people see zero effect of silo API changes. Other people will have to look into the APIs and see what still is and isn’t possible. And I am going to assume there is also a group of people that will just look at the WordPress plugin directory and wait for a new Facebook
ben2I need some comforting man... I suppose I'm putting effort into learning about the indieweb and building a wordpress theme on those ideas. I kinda want someone to tell me that the movement isn't going to go down the toilet as the silos get more private and agressive. It's about the personal website yes abolutely... but it's also about the POSSE and backfeed. I was initally attracted to the writing here https://indieweb.org/POSSE about staying in touch wi
ben2platform they use, and not resorting to 'everyone just blog on their own site'. For my use case if I can't backfeed from the big silos that EVERYONE I know uses, then this whole things is a little bit pointless. Which is why I keep bringing up scraping. Because I feel that no matter what, there will be that last bastion of info to use that the silos can't hide without reducing their reach and harming themselves
ZegnatI answered the movement question more out of a principles (https://indieweb.org/principles) standpoint, and I do not see silo-interoperability or backfeed as a part of that.
ZegnatI guess I personally just do not care about backfeed as I do not use it? Lots of people love backfeed, and have their networks on Facebook, so they will keep trying to bridge it!
schmartyben2: I wouldn’t be surprised to see syndication helper tools that run as browser extensions, letting the browser run all the JavaScript and do all the rendering, then pulling data out of the DOM.
ben2For context I'm working on a image grid-ish based theme with a developer friend of mine which is fully Mf2 compliant. I want to use it but probably anyone in a design based industry might like it. I'll be in touch later and maybe can be added to https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
jmacRefresh my memory (because I'm sure I've asked this before)... is linking two articles on your own website via sending yourself a webmention an actually useful thing, or is that silly behavior? (Or both?)
jmacAfter a long weekend of work I'm running an "OK, let's retroactively send ALL THE WEBMENTIONS" script on four years of blog posts. And of course most of them are links to my own prior articles, and I didn't think of that fact until I started.
colelymanHi all, I'm just getting interested in the IndieWeb movement and I am looking for some projects that I could contribute to. Are there any resources that anyone would recommend that list some projects that may need some contributions? Thanks!