#indieweb 2018-05-29

2018-05-29 UTC
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mblaney hi colelyman what languages do you prefer to work in?
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colelyman mblaney: I enjoy working in Python, Node.js, Go, and Clojure. I also want to explore working with Nim
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mblaney cool the /projects page has links to a few languages at the top of the page, so might be a good place to start.
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colelyman mblaney: Thanks! I will check out that page
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[Natris1979] I just got a Happy Birthday email from a friend. Man that means so much more to me than the facebook prodded birthday wishes that float around when you tell FB your birthday
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[Natris1979] @coleyman: If you like node, I've been having great fun building my site on GatsbyJS
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[Natris1979] *@colelyman ^
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colelyman [Natris1979]: thanks, I will also check that out!
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@depone Twitter scheint die Auth-API geändert zu haben. Ab jetzt nutze ich PGP für IndieAuth – Falls Du das auch brauchst, steht hier wie es eingerichtet wird: https://indieauth.com/pgp #indieweb #indieauth #twitter #pgp (twitter.com/_/status/1001383981298978816)
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@dsearls ↩️ Or just block third party cookies. Here are @CustomerCommons instructions for five browsers: http://customercommons.org/home/tools/cookies/block-3rdparty/ #NoMore3rds (twitter.com/_/status/1001388204304556032)
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[jgmac1106] @swentel Going to start my 14 days with IndieWeb and Drupal after work today: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb Just need to push my WordPress microformats2 theme to GitHub and do my meta wrap up post first
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swentel ok, looking forward :)
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@jgmac1106 Skip to content Menu About Me Posts Web Annotations Image Credits Quick Thoughts Blog P+T Binder Publications Consulting Attending Events - IndieWeb Pleas join @chrisaldrich and @wiobryne and others for a Virtual Homebrew… https://jgregorymcverry.com/vhwc/ (twitter.com/_/status/1001430216156368896)
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jmac Apropos of nothing, the concept of "building blocks", as used by IndieWeb, is strong and sticky once you understand it. I've started to apply it to arguments for rolling different open technologies into other projects I'm involved with.
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jmac e.g. I'm asking one organization to consider seeing IRC as a building block for building a custom chat solution on, instead of seeing it as "IRC", the set of monolithic nerd-havens of mixed reputation like Freenode. (sorry nerds, i luv u)
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petermolnar where did the discussions on GDPR vs embeds lead to? Out of curiosity I was checking if some of the (wordpress) sites I manage put down any cookie when someone is a mere visitor - and the only thing that does it youtube, via embeds.
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petermolnar oh, this is interesting: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42555450/how-to-embed-youtube-videos-without-cookies
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Zegnat I think sgreger had an interesting piece about embeds too
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sknebel I believe he implmented a clickthrough thing, like e.g, Medium does for sites that don't respect Do not Track
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sknebel been meaning to have something like that too
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sknebel (show screenshot and a notice in the iframe, click loads the actual embed)
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cweiske petermolnar, there is some no-cookies-youtube embed domain
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petermolnar yep, that's what I found
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petermolnar I just need to overwrite the built-in youtube shortcode in wp with a filter
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Zegnat Yeah, I am pretty sure he blogged about that too, sknebel. Where he basically demoed how he implemented it. But can’t seem to find it :(
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sknebel .... which then uses Localstorage :P
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petermolnar oh
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sknebel although I believe it still stores less data, and afaik Google says they won't do tracking if you use it
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Zegnat If you really want to protect from stuff like that: don’t embed. Link off-site.
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sknebel ah, found the article I had in mind: at least 2016 it did still store a device id in localstorage and still did load dubleclick network stuff, but Google said they don't store data as long as the user isn't playing the video
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petermolnar Zegnat: not my choice, these are friends/family sites
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petermolnar but most of them are not technical enough to know if they need a GDPR notification or not
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[jgmac1106] I thought personal sites were exempted. If someone embeds a YouTube video isn't it up to YouTube to be compliant? Doubt anyone going to try and cash in on Grandma's blog being out of compliance with GDPR
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petermolnar That makes sense.
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sknebel yeah, for my personal use that's really only something I look at because principles ;)
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi guten morgen
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[cjwillcock] I think IndieWeb is fantastic. I'm new to it, and learning more. Hi to all 🙂
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swentel welcome :)
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snarfed status report, bridgy facebook backfeed is still down as of last thurs, probably due to this facebook bug: https://developers.facebook.com/support/bugs/721093238281702/
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snarfed (they haven't confirmed yet)
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/826
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Loqi [armingrewe] #826 Seems Facebook mentions have stopped again
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petermolnar snarfed apparently you need to log into fb to read that bug
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Zegnat petermolnar: https://screenshots.firefox.com/q4sAvqagzZIKpVWb/developers.facebook.com
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Zegnat (And anyone else not willing to login to view the bug.)
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petermolnar facebook gonna facebook
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[cleverdevil] [aaronpk] when you get a chance, I have a little service to show you for testing 🙂
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aaronpk ooh
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[cleverdevil] So, https://futurepub.cleverdevil.io
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[cleverdevil] Make a JSON micropub POST to https://futurepub.cleverdevil.io/micropub with a `mp-destination` property with your target endpoint, and a `published` property in the future
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[cleverdevil] Use the same Authentication header you would otherwise send to your endpoint.
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[cleverdevil] (oh, and anyone else is welcome to try as well!)
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@cswordpress Why We Need the #IndieWeb: A Short History http://cathieleblanc.com/blog/why-we-need-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1001539258140839938)
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[keithjgrant] [cleverdevil] nice!
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[cleverdevil] Would love some feedback!
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[cleverdevil] I'll be tossing the code up on GitHub this evening, in all likelihood.
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[cleverdevil] Its about 100 lines of Python code that run on AWS Lambda (serverless, whee!)
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "The Indieweb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR) // Sebastian Greger" http://ing.am/p/4Zir (twitter.com/_/status/1001546274376749056)
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tantek_ what is Futurepub
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Futurepub" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Futurepub is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek_ Futurepub is a Micropub proxy that can post to another Micropub server on your behalf sometime in the future. https://futurepub.cleverdevil.io/
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] Futurepub is a service by {{cleverdevil}} which allows users to schedule micropub posts for a future date and time.
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[cleverdevil] Haha
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Your dfn is better.
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tantek_ what is scheduled
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Loqi scheduling in the context of the indieweb, refers to the feature of setting a specific time for a post to be published in the future https://indieweb.org/scheduled
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tantek_ Futurepub << scheduling
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Loqi ok, I added "[[scheduling]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Futurepub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48034&oldid=48033
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tantek_ scheduling << Futurepub
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Futurepub]]" to the "See Also" section of /scheduling https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48035&oldid=41951
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Zegnat Hmm. That would be a good case to implement expiring tokens. Or even something like scheduled tokens. Hmmmmm
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tantek_ what is an expiring token?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "expiring token" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "expiring token is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek_ actually, let's take "token" to #indieweb-dev
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[cleverdevil] Updated the https://futurepub.cleverdevil.io content with information and examples.
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tantek_ cleverdevil++ very cool idea and service!
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Zegnat [cleverdevil]++ for these serverless services
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[cleverdevil] Thanks! It was actually [aaronpk]'s idea.
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[cleverdevil] Inspired by Buffer.
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@jgmac1106 @Chirsaldrich has such a great description about building out your space. Join hin , @wiobyrne and a few others tomorrow night for a Virtual Homebrew Website Club. #edtechchat #DOO #DigPed. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/2937-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1001571972378132480)
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tantek_ what is Buffer
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Loqi Buffer is a tool for scheduling the publishing of posts to silos https://indieweb.org/Buffer
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aaronpk Buffer << Futurepub
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Futurepub]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Buffer https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48042&oldid=44945
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chrisaldrich GWG++ for adding the ability for sites (and particularly online newspapers/magazines) to facepile "Read" posts
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chrisaldrich This read post display may be one of the first: https://coloradoboulevard.net/12-cool-parks-in-pasadena/#comment-22926
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tantek_ wow what site is that? chrisaldrich one of yours or one you're helping with? and how did you convince them to install the (latest?) indieweb plugins to get a "/read" facepile?
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chrisaldrich Not my site, but that of a local paper whose editor I met at a local WordPress meetup. We've been talking about IndieWeb for a while.
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chrisaldrich I went over to help them set up some of the basics and the most recent version of Semantic Linkbacks does /read facepiles now, so... voila!
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chrisaldrich It's nice to have an example of an online newspaper doing something like this from a professional perspective.
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tantek_ wait you set them up a while ago, and all they've been doing is automatically updating the plugin?
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chrisaldrich I started earlier this month with backfeed from Facebook and went back today to add backfeed from Twitter as well as to update specifically so they could show reads as well.
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chrisaldrich This type of read-post functionality is somewhat similar to siloed versions like Goodreads and Reading.am, but I think is significantly different in form that it may be the first of its type functionally on the web.
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chrisaldrich i.e. there is no silo version of this type....
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chrisaldrich or am I just pulling at threads?
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snarfed facebook has it afaik
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KartikPrabhu this looks pretty nice!
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snarfed i expect goodreads too
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snarfed (ah nm, see you mentioned them)
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KartikPrabhu what is read?
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Loqi To read or reading is the act of viewing and interpreting posts or other documents; on the IndieWeb, a read post expresses that something has been read, like a book or section thereof https://indieweb.org/read
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@MxRozen ↩️ I used to think the indieweb was a bit tinfoil hat but it's really starting to make sense. Write everything in Markdown and deploy to the current flavour of the month framework (#GatsbyJS) (twitter.com/_/status/1001595289487130625)
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aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk why << https://twitter.com/geddski/status/1001590716265512961
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/geddski/status/1001590716265512961" to the "See Also" section of /why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48046&oldid=45847
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bear a git exploit - please check your versions -- https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/devops/2018/05/29/announcing-the-may-2018-git-security-vulnerability/
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Loqi [Edward Thomson] Announcing the May 2018 Git Security Vulnerability Edward Thomson May 29, 2018 The Git community has disclosed an industry-wide security vulnerability in Git that ca...
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@jgmac1106 @newhavenindy @ctmirror Check out this local paper using #IndieWeb tools to rethink how we build a community of readers https://coloradoboulevard.net/12-cool-parks-in-pasadena/#comment-22926 A paper should be the heart of community let’s stop ceding the space to facebook. I believe local new can save… https://jgregorymcverry.com/2939-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1001604777502019591)
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chrisaldrich In relation to /read posts which I sometimes view as a subcategory of bookmark, what would it potentially break if I also marked them up as bookmarks? Thus using read-of and u-bookmark-of simultaneously?
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chrisaldrich I think I did something akin to this last week for a /watch post so that it would be picked up by IndieNews which only triggers off of bookmark posts, but I wanted to display it explicitly on my site as a watch.
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aaronpk sounds like a question of fallback behavior
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chrisaldrich Given that /read /watch posts aren't evenly distributed and most aren't supported, falling back on bookmark for display isn't a horrible thing, but then it needs that mark up as well.
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aaronpk see if /post_type_discovery has any clues yet, that's where I would expect to find an answer
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chrisaldrich are there other crossed types that might also have this type of behaviour?
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aaronpk yes, videos for example
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aaronpk videos can use the "photo" property as a fallback when the thing consuming the post doesn't understand videos
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aaronpk the post type discovery page algorithm describes the priority of these properties to provide good fallback behavior
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chrisaldrich on my site I've got a linkblog category that includes likes, reads, favorites, watches, and bookmarks... but I've never considered physically adding explicit bookmark-of as well as a fallback.