#indieweb 2018-06-02

2018-06-02 UTC
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jgmac1106
Does anyone know if IndieMark is still a thing? https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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jgmac1106
I want to delete it all
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[chrisaldrich]
jgmac1106, I've been meaning to overhaul that entire page to make it more gen2/3 facing and take out the indiemark stuff which is aimed at a gen1 crowd.
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[chrisaldrich]
perhaps make a subpage of your userpage with an edited version and then we can move/rename the pages? A change as drastic as you/I are thinking of deserves an entirely new page altogether.
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jgmac1106
[chrisaldrich] on another note if you have an indieweb theme what plug ions do you not need to install? Need to document that. Going back to David’s post getting mf2 sorted seems like the first and only thing theme developers are required to do, not sure semantic linkbacks could be embedded in theme because the parsers get a lt of love
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jgmac1106
micropub, pubsubhub, webmentions, and bridgy all require oustide dependancies so they must be used
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jgmac1106
I don’t think the indieweb plugin is required if they provide a path to an hcard for users, but recommend it if they don’t want to add native rel=me and native hcard
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jgmac1106
on the wiki, what is the community history beyond not using talk pages? Why not plan out edits and revisions and have thos convos documented with the page.
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jgmac1106
I will make a spot on my page, working on collecting ideas for a theme developer page now
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jgmac1106
realize I need to go change all my bookmark tags to WordPressTheme
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jgmac1106
I feel like a teenager hitchiking with these two week journeys after I am done I will long for home and return to my WordPress and Known workflow, unless I fall in love with what [swente] ahas done with Drupal.
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[chrisaldrich]
jgmac1106, I've been watching the drupal progress and it's been spectacular pace since mid-February, but I'm guessing you'll find it not as well-baked yet in comparison to Known or WordPress at the moment. i suspect in 6 months at its current pace though it will certainly catch up and potentially surpass them.
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[chrisaldrich]
but even then having seen the evolution of all of them over the past 4 years, I'm still amazed every day at what is continuing to happen.
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[chrisaldrich]
[jgmac1106] I almost expected you to continue on to /Perch two weeks hence... 😉
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[chrisaldrich]
[jgmac1106] or maybe Grav?
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jgmac1106
still doing Drupal and still Grav but I am runnign into a problem of having my posts everywhere and having to figure out export and import strategies
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jgmac1106
will stop after Drupal and make my final choice..until I change my mind
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jgmac1106
Just want to keep up the community support for WordPress, that’s what we need most
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jgmac1106
though [chrisaldrich] still say Known is the best turn key solution out there. Have to add some new idno plug-ins but other than that it just works. A little slow but not with micropub. Kicking it with Known and Indigienous as the bset. May micro.blog as well since community is there but that will probably be just for syndicating notes and photo types
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jgmac1106
though I have always had an eye on [eddie]’s https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/abode
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@OnlineInstruct1
Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us #Learning http://dld.bz/gQ5UW
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@jgmac1106
↩️ @DavidWolfPaw This was my attempt to fork a theme and add #IndieWeb flair. https://github.com/jgmac1106/wp-dimension Need to throw it back up, but its bad example because a:) I don’t know what I am doing b:)I never wrote a proper http://README.md file, and c:)… https://notiz.blog/
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@kukharenko
Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us | @scoopit http://sco.lt/5X9l2H
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@nick_chater
Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us https://ift.tt/2sDLDpE #EdChat
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sl007
aaronpk - about twitter / IndieAuth : The reason that the "continue" page appears is if you access twitter too frequently. This is basically like many pages do it. We can still access rel="me" links via the twitter REST API which has a concept of https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/rate-limits.html - maybe these apply to html as well (1/2)
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sl007
The only solution that came to my mind was from a journocode presentation which I have to search. Basically the user /me generates the initial OAuth-Token and sends it encrypted to overcome the rate limits from a centralized party.
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@sl007
↩️ Funny. You might have seen it: The thing I demoed on IndieWebCamp had it already. To fulfill the visual experience for valid/invalid text input. However: Thankyou Lea Verou.
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@talk2paddy
Reads, Listens, Watches, and Editable Webmention Types and Avatars in the IndieWeb WordP... http://upflow.co/l/5QFI https://t.co/JHN7RG8jv9
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@jgmac1106
↩️ Even better choose a favorite theme (yours for example) and start messing with it to see if you can get to the first step of having proper microformats. Use what you learn to help me write the WordPress Theme Devleloper’s guide to the #IndieWeb. I need… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3097-2/
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jgmac1106
We all have needs Loqi
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@jgmac1106
↩️ #tdc2336 #ds106 #dailycreate This is a poem I wrote that grew as a seed as an annotation to @TroyHicks way to rosy (see what I did there?) picture on the future of digital writing. @ncte #indieweb (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3104-2/)
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@jgmac1106
@dogtrax been poking around for a bit and can’t figure out any way to add the #IndieWeb plumbing to @edublogs. You could (and should) manually put an h-card on your home page, but since @edublogs do not provide users with the freedom of adding plugins to… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3106-2/
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jgmac1106
for those who were asking about how to blog and how to keep writng the #ds106 #dailycreate makes a good 1-day, 7-day. 14 day. 30 day, any day challenge. Its a content creation kick you in the ass blogging bootcamp
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aaronpk
sl007: if you didn't read my post, I have a new solution for twitter auth that works fine, and is currently live on indielogin.com, I just have no plans on implementing it in IndieAuth.com since it would require a pretty big refactor of the whole app
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swentel
oh cool :)
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@swentel
Last alpha for the #IndieWeb module for #Drupal 8. A security review is up next to get into beta, so feel free to break it if you're interested, but be gentle if you find something, deal ? :) https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb
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@drupal8modules
New #alpha version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-alpha9). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb
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@pydroual
Reads, Listens, Watches, and Editable Webmention Types and Avatars in the IndieWeb WordP... http://upflow.co/l/Sb7I https://t.co/DD2QN1iQvR
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb!
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[snarfed]
dweb summit registration is open! https://decentralizedweb.net
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[snarfed]
$400 tickets though, at least for most of us
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aaronpk
Holy hell
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aaronpk
$1500 "full price" tickets
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aaronpk
I can't find any info about the actual content of the event. Are there talks? Workshops? Is it three days of unconference sessions?
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aaronpk
I mean the schedule page just says "session 1" and such. No indication of a CFP or anything tho.
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[snarfed]
in other news, I've been researching a bit, and haven't found an easy way around the new Facebook backfeed restrictions
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[snarfed]
out of desperation, i might see if i can scrape anything out of their HTML, maybe m.facebook.com, but I'm not holding my breath
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@johnjohnston
Reads, Listens, Watches, and Editable Webmention Types and Avatars in the IndieWeb WordPress Suite by Chris Aldrich (Chris Aldrich | BoffoSocko) One can now go to the admin interface for their comments and webmentions (found at the path ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/like-reads-listens-watches-and-editable-webmention-types-and-avatars-in-the-indieweb-wordpress-suite/
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schmarty
you are very welcome! i learn a lot making them every week.
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jgmac1106
[jalcine] the tech conference scene is nothing but a tax break racket for companies. Anyone saying they represent the decentralized web and charging that much is lying. They can only be massive companies who need the write off to send folks to posh conferences
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@schmarty
I had the streaming bug, so I recorded writing the script and recording the episode for this week's This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition. Script-writing: https://youtu.be/8Np5xPzEffU Recording and posting: https://youtu.be/80dK5HnHu7o
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aaronpk
whaaaat hahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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aaronpk
schmarty++
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Loqi
schmarty has 42 karma in this channel (87 overall)
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schmarty
not very compelling streaming, but i enjoy tinkering with OBS.
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Reads, Listens, Watches, and Editable Webmention Types and Avatars in the IndieWeb WordPress Suite" https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/31/reads-listens-watches-and-editable-webmention-types-and-avatars-in-indieweb-wordpress-suite/
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ancarda
So I ran one of my blog posts through IndieWebify.me and I'm trying to clean up some of the errors. It's asking me to add a u-photo to my p-author. Thing is, I already have a a well detailed h-card in the sidebar. Can I somehow tell it to use that instead? Or should I duplicate the content in hidden divs?
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aaronpk
ancarda: indiewebify.me needs some update. try out this one to debug that: https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me
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ancarda
Hmm, well if I enter https://markdain.net/post/3, it's only giving me name and url for the ownership. No photo or anything else that is on my h-card in the sidebar
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Loqi
[Mark Dain] Abusing IPv6 tunnels and CloudFlare for a static IP address
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ancarda
Should I duplicate the info inside the post's author div?
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sknebel
the opposite, you should only have u-author linking to your homepage
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ancarda
So, what I have is correct: <p>Published by <a class="p-author h-card" href="https://markdain.net">Mark Dain</a>...</p>
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Loqi
Mr. Mark Dain
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sknebel
u-author
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aaronpk
ah I see the problem, you've got a duplicate h-card inside the post. if you take out the embedded h-card and just link to the one that's already there it'll match up
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sknebel
not an h-card
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ancarda
Oh wait
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sknebel
only <a class="u-author">
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@EddieHinkle
Well it’s that time of year… with WWDC approaching I have to remind myself not to open the “Tech News” channel of my Reader until after the keynote as to not spoil anything when/if leaks happen. https://indieweb.org/reader
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ancarda
So, remove `h-card`, change `p-author` to `u-author`, and it should all be fine?
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ancarda
But IndieWebify says "You’re marking up your post’s author as a string — add h-card to make it a full h-card!" -- is that just buggy?
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sknebel
that's.. also an option
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sknebel
you can make h-cards on every post
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sknebel
but then the algorithm doesn't search for a more complete one
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sknebel
so if you don't want to show a full one on each post, it's better to link to your homepage with a more complete one
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ancarda
Yeah I'd rather it pull from the sidebar. I added a bunch of invisible tags like p-job-title
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ancarda
So it'd be a lot to duplicate :/
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sknebel
so yeah, indiewebify is kinda misleading there, since it tries to give one correct answer, but there's options?
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ancarda
So my homepage has no `h-feed` of `h-entry`'s as I wasn't sure how to mark that up -- I only give a synopsis (the first paragraph) on the homepage
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ancarda
I'm wary to put just the first paragraph into `e-content` incase readers assume that's the entire post and don't follow the `u-url` (rel=canonical) to grab the full contents
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sknebel
that's where you use summary property
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ancarda
Ah, ok, thank you
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ancarda
I'll sort out an `h-feed` soon. I think my site will (finally) be fully marked up then
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ancarda
Only took me about 6 months to do it
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ancarda
So in another 6 months or so, you can send me WebMentions!