#indieweb 2018-06-01
2018-06-01 UTC
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[eddie] You can link to the BEGINNING of a conversation like this: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-05-14#t1526310404759000
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Loqi [[cleverdevil]] Whee, just finished migrating all of my Day One journal entries to my site as private posts.
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jgmac1106 Ben Werdmuller gets the first google scholar link about indieweb for this post: https://werd.io/entry/51dca7e2bed7de945debf707/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tripit" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tripit is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@jgmac1106 Can we #IndieWeb Google Scholar? #HigherEd: https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-indieweb-google-scholar-highered/ https://t.co/mUqj3GOuXJ (twitter.com/_/status/1002374612569722881)
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# Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-01.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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# [eddie] Does anyone know of any other service that provides a type of venue or place recommendation like Facebook does? (Where someone can ask friends for suggestions of places to check out within a specific geographic area?) My current research for Wiki write up on this type of functionality is focused on Facebook’s UI, plus Venue searches using APIs with Google, Facebook, Foursquare and Mapbox. Any other directions of stuff to research is welcomed.
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@johnjohnston How to Own & Display Your Twitter Archive on Your Website in Under 10 Minutes by Chris Aldrich (Chris Aldrich | BoffoSocko)
As part of my evolving IndieWeb experience of owning all of my own internet-based social data, last year I wanted a “quick and ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/reply-to-chris-aldrich-how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002405585059532800)
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Zegnat New feed reader to try out? https://getstream.io/winds/
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dansup hi
# dansup my federated instagram project launched in alpha today, https://pixelfed.social/p/admin/1
# dansup working on indieweb support suggested by aaronpk
# dansup jgmac1106: 3 hours later: 159 users, 287 statuses, 50k+ hits.
# dansup its crazy!
# dansup i had to disable new registrations
# dansup yeah, this will support Instagram import thanks to GDPR. Will be a smooth transition for users that want to join a service that respects their privacy. https://pixelfed.org
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# jgmac1106 was talking more posse your posts to instagram like https://ownyourgram.com/ or pesos your posts from instagraom to pixelfed.org much of that magic is getting shut down
# jgmac1106 [zegnat] mapped out the citation engine: https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-indieweb-google-scholar-highered/ not sure if it is possible but wuld be cool
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# @jgmac1106 Well today’s first #IndieWeb hour draws to a close on day 2 of my @Drupal challenge. Was able to delete yesterday’s install, start over and then verify that the install from @Reclaimhosting comes with composer pre-loaded.
Next step go and watch a ton of… https://jgregorymcverry.com/drupalindie1/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002489044746502144)
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@Stupidosaur ↩️ Just block all Javascript by default. Unless they have advanced HTML5 coders on board, it will stop all clutter at once : Ads, trackers, malware.
A good website should be able to decently present text, image, audio, video without Javascript.
https://twitter.com/dmarti/status/1000372780662116353 (twitter.com/_/status/1002489628585283584)
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@aral ↩️ Heck, let’s get rid of HTML too. Ain’t nothing that needs saying that we can’t say in plain ol’ ASCII amirite? ;)
(There’s nothing wrong with JavaScript, it’s the business models that are wrong. A few Stallmanesque folks browsing the web with Lynx isn’t going to solve this.) (twitter.com/_/status/1002498136479236097)
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petermolnar why, o, why aral gets involved in that thread? :(
# petermolnar oh
# petermolnar why, o why, am I reading twitter threads?
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[jeremycherfas] Couldn’t find three sectors that interest me.
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# [jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAZ90NCRW/screenshot_2018-06-01_07.32.51.png?pub_secret=cdbac49c31&name=Screenshot 2018-06-01 07.32.51.png [aaronpk] here is the hand salp from Medium for publishing too much in one day
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[kevinmarks] How do you automate publishing it? People were asking in #known
# [jgmac1106] just replied. WordPress plugin can never join the known channel on irc always forget name
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @cathiecronin if you take contributions from across the pond I would love to help out this effort. I want an #indieweb solution where #oer doesn’t live in any new silo, regardless of how “open,” but on the repos and blogs of contributors. We then use… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3067-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002524748197265408)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @cathiecronin if you take contributions from across pond I would love to help out effort. I want an #indieweb solution where #oer doesn’t live in any new silo, regardless of how “open,” but on the repos and blogs of contributors. We then use… http://bit.ly/2J2DUMT #edtechie18 (twitter.com/_/status/1002525165987692544)
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@bradenslen The more I experiment, hands-on and learn this Indieweb stuff the more in awe I am. This is how comments, trackbacks, pings should have worked, but we didn’t know that back then.
### Share this:
* Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)
*… https://ramblinggit.com/2018/06/249/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002538720879366144)
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@dmarti ↩️ Selectively blocking JS is a decent workaround for now, for users who are willing to nerd out ( https://blog.zgp.org/time-saving-tip-for-firefox-57/ ) but the browser needs to be better at blocking/sandboxing crypto-miners, trackers, "growth hacking", other crap. Work in progress: https://twitter.com/ehsanakhgari/status/972224912634064896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (twitter.com/_/status/1002539152355688448)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #IndieWeb is just carving out a place on the web you control. Do that and you are done.
The tools to connect to the community are hard, but https://chat.indieweb.org is a model of how open source support should grow.
Stop by for help anytime.
Also feel… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3070-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002547121101393920)
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# @Stupidosaur ↩️ Well the 'good old' HTML & CSS were only for displaying things and hence low risk while Javascript could write complex maths and logic and access file systems. Most of the trackers, malware & ad delivery is Javascript. So shutting off JS=far safer browsing https://twitter.com/aral/status/1002498136479236097 (twitter.com/_/status/1002550387398905856)
# @Stupidosaur ↩️ Another downside of JS is it often comes from 3rd parties so your websites break if those servers are not available. So when making website, it's better not to use Javascript as far as possible. Keep it simple. Speeds up the website, gives general SEO & mobile search advantage. (twitter.com/_/status/1002551293603467264)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ And I see you are a Drupal fan. Started my 14 day #indieweb Drupal challenge two days ago.
So maybe we can help each other. All the Drupal modules maintained by @swentel (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3072-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1002551392630968321)
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@benwerd ↩️ Is that really realistic in 2018? Perhaps from a pure content perspective (and Google's approach with AMP largely supports that view) - but if you're trying to create a richer experience, JS is part of the toolbox. Perhaps, though, there could be strict timeouts and size limits. (twitter.com/_/status/1002551857397395456)
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# @Stupidosaur ↩️ Another downside of JS as web developer (not user) is if u use frameworks like Angular JS or whatever from 3rd parties. Again it depends on availability of those servers. This point may seem like the above point but earlier one was about fancy widgets etc this is about frameworks (twitter.com/_/status/1002552081725710336)
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@acfou ↩️ Blocking ads and tracking JS on bad sites but NOT on good publishers is the ultimate solution. I have the prototype tech already. (twitter.com/_/status/1002552820980207617)
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# @benwerd ↩️ Is that a whitelist or blacklist, or something else? Something I'm sure you've considered but I hope is solved for is the ability for new publishers to compete and make money. Entrenching existing known entities at the expense of allowing for new voices would be a mistake. (twitter.com/_/status/1002553593025556480)
# @Stupidosaur ↩️ But I think now HTML5 is getting lot of dangerous abilities like Javascript, though I don't know a lot about its cutting edge features. For example file access https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File/Using_files_from_web_applications
I suspect lot of typical developers don't know this stuff so we are relatively safe for a while. (twitter.com/_/status/1002553867782033408)
# [jgmac1106] I dunno but it keeps growing and it isn't too bad. Hard to resist not jumping in but I would sink the boat.
# @Stupidosaur ↩️ Yes I speak mostly from content perspective. If HTML lets u do text,image,audio,video,u can serve a decent website to people without JS. Yes AMP is kinda like that. Can you suggest some rich content stuff where JS is inevitable? I try to do it in CSS. https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/1002551857397395456 (twitter.com/_/status/1002555070658080768)
# [jgmac1106] I have such disdain in the all javascript is evil position. Like blaming existence of words for hate speech
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@jason_kint ↩️ agree strongly. it's the issue with many of these problems. reputation and trust for brands and experiences is built over time, consistent experiences, direct relationships but we absolutely cannot constrain innovation, newcomers and independent voices. (twitter.com/_/status/1002555480475086848)
# [jgmac1106] Yeah drives me nuts. Want to finish my post on local news saving local web.
# [jgmac1106] Many assumptions are wrong
# [jgmac1106] And thinking is born
# [jgmac1106] Sorry don't know who I am talking to btw
# @benwerd ↩️ I should declare that I have skin in this game (investor at @mattervc), but I agree that it’s a huge issue with most of these solutions. And it’s a real inclusion issue as well as a business one. Newer pubs are more likely to have more diverse staff. You can’t shut them out. (twitter.com/_/status/1002556173424316416)
# [jgmac1106] Okay I need to get micropub working, go back to Known or master and fall in love with Drupal quick. Copy paste on FF for Android stinks and now my response property box just disappeared on Chrome.
# @dmarti ↩️ Some lessons here from ongoing #deliverability efforts in the email business, where work is needed from both #spam filters and new legit SMTP servers to get the mail through. Browsers will need to respect new publishers that build trust+consent. (twitter.com/_/status/1002557392515559424)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Good @benwerd We need local news to save local web, and I think it's possible, without targeted ads but with local relevant brands, but fear it could never get the returns your LPs want so we may stifle innovation until new investment models take hold. (twitter.com/_/status/1002557642479493120)
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# @benwerd ↩️ I don’t think that’s a given. But there certainly are other models - and ones that allow for a collaborative marketplace of ideas by design. We also work with sponsors for events like Open Matter that bring innovation support to non-venture-scale orgs. https://medium.com/matter-driven-narrative/a-lot-more-experiments-open-matter-e3088db96fb?source=linkShare-3b16402f5b9d-1527863666 (twitter.com/_/status/1002559103435075584)
# @Stupidosaur ↩️ Well if they are newer pubs they can start out the 'good way' with minimal Javascript (whatever they need for ads etc, till ads also stop tracking users and are more location or content based, which can be handled on server side, without Javascript) (twitter.com/_/status/1002559291717488641)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Venture Capital probably way more at fault for bad adtech than javascript. Do I blame books because some folks write hate speech? (twitter.com/_/status/1002559339666853889)
# @dmarti ↩️ The (sort of) good news is that the ad agency crisis, the #brand crisis, the web UX crisis, and the local news crisis are all symptoms of the same set of problems. As we move the web from unpermissioned to trust-based data sharing, many things tend to improve #internetOptimism (twitter.com/_/status/1002559477017530368)
# @benwerd ↩️ TBH, I don’t think it’s even VC (which certainly takes some blame) as lazy business thinking. The shortest path to maintaining the vision of an open, accessible web while paying the bills has been ad tech. But other models have always been out there, & are now badly needed. (twitter.com/_/status/1002559980136902656)
# @Stupidosaur ↩️ It's not just adtech, most drive-by malware during innocent browsing come by JS [HTML5 may change that. Maybe browsers should let us switch specific features of HTML 5 off like JS]. I just want to see content not let it mess with my browser/machine much. https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1002559339666853889 (twitter.com/_/status/1002560625560686592)
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@drupal8modules New #alpha version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-alpha8). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1002578084367921153)
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb 🙂
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# @johnjohnston ★Like: Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/like-drafting-indieweb-principles-for-the-rest-of-us/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002601087474511872)
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[manton] If anyone is going to be in San Jose next week, I'll be around for a few days for WWDC. We're also doing a Micro.blog meetup on Tuesday at lunch. Hope some of y'all can join us! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2nGNR4iAE50CpeqzARmGypdTOnlJ5DLJKlNuvtiWm3jbBOA/viewform
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# [cleverdevil] I think newsletters is good.
# [cleverdevil] I don't think there is a page yet.
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aaronpk hah /newsletter redirects to /this-week-in-the-indieweb
# [cleverdevil] Rut-roh.
# sknebel there's /email and /email_lists, there might be some overlap with the latter, but I'd say new page is fine
# aaronpk i'd say take the /newsletter page and then add a link to /this-week
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chrisaldrich I almost did that same thing a week ago eddie when there was a lot of talk about newsletters in the #wordpress channel. I've been slowly iterating on something myself as has wiobyrne.
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# chrisaldrich I was knee deep in restarting my effort and didn't have the patience to do wiki plumbing on /newsletter page.
# chrisaldrich Most other wiki pages like /video and /news have indieweb-specific definitions but have a link just under them to related community services btw if we want to keep that same pattern going for /newsletter
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# Loqi A newsletter is a regularly scheduled email that is sent out on a specific topic to an email list https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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@EchoChamberUncu ★Like: Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2018/06/01/%e2%98%85like-drafting-indieweb-principles-for-the-rest-of-us-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002625996984606720)
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@cathieleblanc @wiobyrne gives me lots to think about RE working in the open https://wiobyrne.com/small-b-big-b/ #blogging #IndieWeb #OpenED (twitter.com/_/status/1002642036523139075)
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@oldaily Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/68168 The author of this post correctly points out that the original indieweb principles were too technical for most people. (twitter.com/_/status/1002643965630402560)
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-01.html
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# @jgmac1106 Thx for the feedback on my draft @olddaily. I think remixing the principles of the #IndieWeb for different audiences will be a focus of our summit (you should come). Looking back mine maybe too technical for all of us, but not my audience. Except learn a… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3078-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002656224737886209)
# @jgmac1106 Thx for the feedback on my draft @oldaily. I think remixing the principles of the #IndieWeb for different audiences will be a focus of our summit (you should come). Looking back mine maybe too technical for all of us, but not my audience. Except learn a… http://bit.ly/2HcSATx (twitter.com/_/status/1002657456470872064)
# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/01/instagram-explains-feed-we-love-to-hate/" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48189&oldid=47357
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@josemurilo "We are happy to announce the release of the very1st version of the #NewTainacan. Now you can install and try a digital collections repository directly from your #WordPress panel, with an easy one click install process!"
@leogermani #GLAM #LODLAM #IndieWeb
http://tainacan.org/new/2018/05/28/new-alpha-release/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002659952249462791)
# @josemurilo "We are happy to announce the release of the very1st version of the #NewTainacan. Now you can install and try a digital collections repository directly from your #WordPress panel, with an easy one click install process!"
@leogermani #GLAM #LODLAM #IndieWeb
http://tainacan.org/new/2018/05/28/new-alpha-release/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002660454395760640)
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@oschettler If your 9 year old daugther demands her own homepage, you have to provide her with an editor, right? Here is my take https://github.com/oschettler/tunes #indieweb #opensource #laravel (twitter.com/_/status/1002661791598632960)
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@tedcurran #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us: https://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=68168 #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/1002667161905610752)
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-01.html
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ There's https://micropub.rocks/ and https://webmention.rocks, but I don't know of anything else along the lines of what you're looking for. I pinged the WordPress chat to see if others had ideas: https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2018-06-01#t1527886682806700
Beyond this several… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/davidwolfpaw-theres-and-but-i-dont-know-of-anything-else (twitter.com/_/status/1002668839480496129)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-01.html https://t.co/ZJQmcoK6A6 (twitter.com/_/status/1002674916456480768)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @DavidWolfpaw I have been trying to think about an #IndieWeb WordPress Theme developers guide by (a learning how to edit theme and figure out what is needed). You just need to focus on microformats first. Nothing will work correctly if that is off. Step… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3082-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002676233174478848)
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# @jgmac1106 posts - IndieWeb: https://indieweb.org/posts#Kinds_of_Posts (twitter.com/_/status/1002681569860030464)
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tantek Next events: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-13-homebrew-website-club and IndieWeb Summit 2018!!! https://indieweb.org/2018 Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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# @jgmac1106 I got a few critiques they were too technical. @petermolnar in #IndieWeb chat @oldaily on Twitter. Welcome the help revising. I didn’t want to edit the wiki but we could do it on one of our personal pages.
Also I should interview you for the UX user… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3084-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002697437155397632)
# @jgmac1106 Post-Kind Plugin for @WordPress: https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds (twitter.com/_/status/1002699738750341121)