#indieweb 2018-06-07
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@jgmac1106 Glad to see @cathieleblanc already joining us. I might be the one getting the help. All welcome to join the Virtual Homebrew Website Club: blogging 101 Special edition: https://hangouts.google.com/call/M_CFfRrwnTM-O_stoqzKAAEE #ds106 #clmooc Will do another one tomorrow at -5 UTC as well… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3335-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004517975062392833)
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# @jgmac1106 #indieweb @cathieleblanc: #indieweb @cathielebland: I am focusing on content right now. When I go on contract I will be general education coordinator. The exciting thing about #indieweb is my phD is in CS but I have moved away from the technical This is getting back to technology (twitter.com/_/status/1004523195175718912)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb @cathieleblanc: I am running into lots of issues. Starting on a project like this I am not sure the wiki format is best way to present information. I am still struggiling to get my head around it. (twitter.com/_/status/1004523390554820608)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: @gwg and @chrisaldrich doing a great #indieweb podcast to help (twitter.com/_/status/1004523879077990400)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: I can't get #indieweb to look aestheically like I want so I have started a different WordPress installations for notes, and different articles, and photos. (twitter.com/_/status/1004524298059632640)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: go to listen @gwg last podcast and he explains why he used taxonomies and not custom type. (twitter.com/_/status/1004524665891586048)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: I demonstrate how I use the exclude categories plug in to only publish articles and then have the different archive pages for each. (twitter.com/_/status/1004526304346148864)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: Showing why she uses a different WordPress theme for each of post kinds to get the aesthetic look she wants (twitter.com/_/status/1004526688842276865)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: Goal maybe to build a theme I want a grid view of photos, but I don't know if building a theme would be more work then just maintaining a bunch of instances (twitter.com/_/status/1004527377110749184)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: Working with @cathieleblanc to go through each of her individual Wordpress instances to check all microformats. A lot of plug-ins don't work on many of her themes (twitter.com/_/status/1004529967093477377)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: That visual aspect of making your website is going to be important. I love the sematincs but we need to worry about how things look (twitter.com/_/status/1004530088250167301)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: I want my notes page to look like @cathieleblanc's https://cathieleblanc.com/notes/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004530463598370816)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: If I am going to do this with my students I can't send them to the wiki for help. I need to make them a guide. (twitter.com/_/status/1004531643640672257)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: The pencast @chrisaldrich did was super helpful. It juts needs to be shorter students won't sit through the whole thing. (twitter.com/_/status/1004531758585581570)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: If I do it with my students and I say pick one of these three themes. That just feels "unindie" (twitter.com/_/status/1004531985220603905)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: Even what you just said to me, that I have enough of an h-entry on my post but some thigns are missing that was super helpful. Do the kids need indpenendence or do we force them to be semantically correct (twitter.com/_/status/1004532174585040896)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: We may do a virtual IndiewWebCamp with #highered folks doing #DOO who want to focus on #indieweb but the big choice is do we force them into a theme. (twitter.com/_/status/1004532798932377601)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: Well force isn't forced if it is knowledge based decision. Explain to kids why those three themes work (twitter.com/_/status/1004533142601064448)
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@wiobyrne ↩️ I think we need to talk more about the"why" of these tools, & inform users/learners about the risks involved. This is also why I've been spending more time in domain of one's own (#dooo) & #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1004533157780250624)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb cathieleblanc: We need to make the tools easier to understand and easier move. This movement to decentralized software ..is good..if you can do plug and play...we just aren't there yet. It's really hard for a human to understand how all the pieces fit together (twitter.com/_/status/1004533624631382017)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb jgmac1106: @cathieleblanc and I will make it our mission to try and and get the archive of photo post kinds to display in a grid format. Feel free to help..We will need it. (twitter.com/_/status/1004534732481351685)
# @jgmac1106 #indieweb jgmac1106: I explain to @cathieleblanc how indigineous app for Android and we talk about the future of microsub reader. (twitter.com/_/status/1004535604271513600)
# @jgmac1106 Notes from Virtual Homebrew Website Club: Blogging 101 edition: https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes-from-virtual-homebrew-website-club-blogging-101-edition/ https://t.co/eCG4caD6E6 (twitter.com/_/status/1004536310344888320)
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chrisaldrich ugh.. how did I miss jgmac1006's vHWC today?!?
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PFMurph hey anyone wana buy a Cisco SG200-50P? I forgot I had it sitting in my closet
# PFMurph yeah
# PFMurph useful if you need to run lots of PoE devices
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# PFMurph 24 ports are PoE it looks like
# PFMurph well, if you'd like to go overkill, let me know
# PFMurph wait where are you based out of? I'd prefer local but I think I have a large enough box kicking around
# PFMurph in any case, I was thinking 300usd
# PFMurph but yeah, lmk if you change your mind
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KartikPrabhu > indiechat please
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@ChrisAldrich Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: To have a status update to post on its own website.
#IndieWeb #humor #ownyourdata
https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/06/why-did-the-chicken-cross-the-road/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004588666474278912)
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# @ChrisAldrich How to manually add the appropriate code and icons to the Post Kinds plugin to enable new kinds of posts on your WordPress installation.
#IndieWeb #WordPress
https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/06/manually-adding-a-new-post-kind-to-the-post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004591530911252480)
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@mrshll1001 ↩️ @kierancutting Also you should get in on the indieweb! There's tonnes of software to do it for you nowadays :-) (twitter.com/_/status/1004622865625485312)
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@kierancutting ↩️ @mrshll1001 How did you happen upon indieweb anyway? (twitter.com/_/status/1004624461583339520)
# @kierancutting ↩️ @mrshll1001 And any good resources for getting into it besides the indieweb wiki? (twitter.com/_/status/1004632029508653056)
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[kevinmarks] Not that's an expensive way to own your domain https://natfriedman.github.io/hello/
# @mrshll1001 ↩️ Depends what you want by getting into it; there's a bunch of "off-the-shelf" indieweb software that you can download and fire up. Even Wordpress has a bunch of plugins that make sites more indieweb friendly.
Other than that the wiki has a stepwise guide if you want to homebrew (twitter.com/_/status/1004636301084241921)
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petermolnar extend period
# petermolnar they even used the extend word, that's bold
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@kevinmarks “GitHub makes it easier for large, loosely coordinated groups of programmers—in corporations, for instance—to use git. It has a well-designed web interface. If you don’t think that’s worth $7.5 billion, you’ve never read the git manual.” @ftrain https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-06/github-is-microsoft-s-7-5-billion-undo-button (twitter.com/_/status/1004633973262127104)
# petermolnar I agree with that, [kevinmarks]
# petermolnar and that is why all the articles of github replacement are bs
# petermolnar because the simplicity of having most of the things at the same place with one login, being able to contribute seamlessly is powerful
# [kevinmarks] Though ironically I had to make a second login to use the enterprise version
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@SusBraithwaite Going all IndieWeb, hence the random/weird link tweets as I test out my cross-posting via http://micro.blog, twitter, and my site. (twitter.com/_/status/1004661722093940736)
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# [kevinmarks] have we seen this before? It's quite well put: https://hi-project.org/2016/11/decentralization-deep-cause-causes-care-deeply/
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @dancohen @aeguerson Feel free to stop by https://chat.indeweb.org (also available on Slack and IRC) anytime for help. #IndieWeb gets open source and community right (and that’s rare) and 24/7 support available from smartest people around. I am also… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3360-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004693906028711937)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ the Fluida theme already has microformats (and http://schema.org) support. I will throw it up on an instance add a few more plugins and see how #IndieWeb compatible it will be. @gwg does taxonomies slightly different with post-kinds than you do… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3362-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004695397443538944)
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Hi gwg
# jeremycherfas Not really. Late with my monthly tidy up.
# jeremycherfas So that's top priority for the rest of today.
# jeremycherfas You?
# jeremycherfas Hope it goes well.
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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[jgmac1106] Morning
# j4y_funabashi morning
# [jgmac1106] @gwg you been making a few grumblings about looking back into ILS saw this https://neu.peopleadmin.com/postings/54786
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[davidmead] I think I’m throwing in the #indieweb towel for the time being. OwnYourGram and OwnYourSwarm are again not seeing an endpoint (after working for a day or so). I never been able to get Quill working properly and new things like Teacup just don’t. Seems to be too much flux at the moment as I only ever update plugins on my WP and stuff just seems to stop working 😞
# [jgmac1106] [davidmead] yes many folks in WP having problems with authorization with Micropub clients and header authorization. I just gave up on ever using a micropub client for WP and I don't Instagram so I can't feel your pain
# [jgmac1106] But you should still be able to have your webmentions and other WP plugins working.
# [jgmac1106] If you haven't tried Known yet it's a great turn key solution. Ignore folks who say it isn't supported. Marcus Povey does wonderful job and most WP plugins supported by same number of people n=1-3
# [davidmead] Thx [jgmac1106] - I ran Known for a year of so in 2015. Even contributed a little bit in GitHub but switched back to WP
# [jgmac1106] [davidmead] my fav workflow to date is to do short posts, likes, tweets, etc from Known and long form on WordPress. Only way to get a visually appealing theme and all the #indieweb love
# [davidmead] thx [aaronpk] but i can’t right now
# [jgmac1106] Been doing WP only now for a few weeks and getting close my lack of micropub is a very local only me kind of problem
# [jgmac1106] I have until July to figure out what I am going to have my students do so experimenting with a few work flows
# [davidmead] The frustration is that it “just works” for long periods of time, months even, then everything falls apart. And I get that the silos, WP, and the community are all tweaking stuff…frustrating
# [jgmac1106] From what [aaronpk] notes in other channel you may just need an update plug in, but the Quill authorization issue...
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# petermolnar [davidmead]: on WP, there are other way to PESOS instagram, not just ownyourgram
# petermolnar good question
# petermolnar I haven't thought about that :(
# petermolnar Last updated: 1 year ago - yeah, forget it
# petermolnar [davidmead] to be honest, I took the other direction: I'm giving up on silos without API
# [jgmac1106] And now [davidmead] we see our ultimate goal. We need to create, contribute to, and curate a community around silo alternatives
# [jgmac1106] Yes! What incoming-webhook said. I assume eventually even Twitter will break. Gonna just enjoy the ride until it does
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# petermolnar I've been keeping my fb account in deactivated mode for the past ~2 months, with 2 exceptions: to download my data on the 25th and to announce a service to a group
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# @wiobyrne ↩️ It's almost like we we need to take back "public access." Keep digital weird, authentic, and indie. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1004746011670188032)
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# [jgmac1106] More grumblings about corporate instructional design, there are many many ILS programs or libraries that dig skill sets like yours
# [jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] is right this is gross https://twitter.com/PhilOnEdTech/status/1004403840127340544?s=19
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@PhilOnEdTech Facebook partners with community colleges to help students with digital literacy https://ihenow.com/2M6Tm8e "The partnerships involve Facebook providing its curriculum to colleges and educational providers" (twitter.com/_/status/1004403840127340544)
# [jgmac1106] And you read it and digital literacy defined as "how to advertise on Facebook"
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @georgestation the answer is for educators to curate a community together and use tools like #indieweb and/or #doo solutions to reestablish agency as the normative workflow. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3371-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1004757597264711680)
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# chrisaldrich good morning IndieWeb
# chrisaldrich Those interested in archive architectures and /longevity might find this research paper of interest: https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.00871
# chrisaldrich archival_copy << https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.00871
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Loqi ok, I added "https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.00871" to the "See Also" section of /archival_copy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48384&oldid=41933
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# chrisaldrich wonders if we need a whole new generation for that jgmac1106... ;)
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Turning off Facebook for Bridgy" https://snarfed.org/2018-06-07_turning-off-facebook-for-bridgy
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# [chrisaldrich] Facebook-- for forcing him to write it
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[wiobyrne] I have a question I think only this group will know the answer to. I set up a YouTube channel and WordPress install for my son who is going into 3rd grade next year. He wants to do book reviews on video all summer, he did them this past year in classes. He also wants to write up blog posts about things he's learning, video games, etc. We'll embed the YouTube clips. I put out a call to friends/family/colleagues and we have a small cohort of 6-7 el
# [wiobyrne] middle grades kids that all are bloggers & would want to be virtual buddies. Is there an easy way to connect their sites to make it easy for them to review each other's content, stay connected, etc.?
# [wiobyrne] This is some serious dogfooding. 😉
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[schmarty] wiobyrne: this looks somewhat interesting, though i don't yet know anyone running it: https://github.com/akirk/friends
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# [chrisaldrich] I've been meaning to set that up and test it out, but also don't know anyone else using it either...
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# jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] I have Ben a year behind yoru sone on Known. https://dogzon.jgregorymcverry.com
# [chrisaldrich] I know that https://edublogs.org/ has a built in feed reader that is meant to allow classes to read and interact with each other, but to my knowledge they don't support/allow webmentions or any of the IndieWeb pieces to be easily integrated yet.
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@producedbytobi Beautiful, heartfelt words from @WudRecords at receiving their award tonight.
Check them out kiddies for loads of new noise from all over the Indieweb!
#musichouruk #monsterthread #supportindiemusic #independentmusic #indiemusic (twitter.com/_/status/1004812467707547649)
# jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] I do with Ben on https://dogzone.jgregorymcverry.com
# [chrisaldrich] It would be cool to have a version of that on WordPress (maybe multi-site) working...
# [chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] the tougher part in your scenario for wordpress is having an easy reader experience for all of them to consume as it is to have them all producing.
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# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] as far as you can get with edublogger is hcard in header. I tried for @dogtrax
# [chrisaldrich] we need to talk edublogger into supporting the IndieWeb suite then... It seems like such a perfect tool for them.
# [jgmac1106] Wait until we have the learning based MicroSub reader ready
# [jgmac1106] Again Known plus Indigenous on their mobile devices. I like Ian's kid too much to tell him to use WordPress
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# @kevinmarks As predicted, Facebook uses their privacy debacles as an excuse to lock out genuine data portability apps. https://snarfed.org/2018-06-07_turning-off-facebook-for-bridgy #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1004816742831439872)
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# [kevinmarks] Not sure if known POSSE to Facebook worked as I don't have it on my phone.
# @jgmac1106 Brad thanks for these great FAQs these are exactly the types of thins we want in a WordPress user guide (doing a theme developer guide separately). Luckily you have webmentions installed so I saw this post. #IndieWeb WordPress isn’t easy, but WordPress… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3429-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004817746813743104)
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# [wiobyrne] My son's current setup is YouTube videos set to unlisted and embedded in posts on his WordPress site. I'd like for this to not have content going to/from the socials. But, I'd envision a "web of trust" with family, friends, selected penpals that go to the site to view/respond on content.
# [wiobyrne] If I could do this without YouTube (and not eat up my hosting) I would.
# [wiobyrne] I'd like to see that web of trusted sites (WordPress, Known, whatever) all connecting and providing an easy way to connect. It could be between sites, and just give the kids links to check, or a modified RSS. Or, it could be a "third space" or middle ground/site for them to review each other's work, and it sends it back to their site.
# [wiobyrne] We'll have 5 to 10 kids in elementary. If you've got some captive kids and want to join in...lemme know. The challenge is that some have sites, some do not. I also will have to onboard all kids (and parents) on how to make this all work. #keepitsimple :)
# [jgmac1106] ... and only hold data on your own kid under thirteen or make it a very tight circle
# [jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] you remember all the Known sites we set up for Literacy Research Association. You can publish public, private, or me only
# [jgmac1106] Other idea is you just make one domain and then give each kid a subdomain off of it with the same WP install on each
# [jgmac1106] I don't trust any social share button. If they have any kind of access to social they must be leaking data
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# [wiobyrne] I don't think it needs to be private. Each parent would be making a decision to put their kid online. Most of the people who want to do this already have their kids online with sites.
# [wiobyrne] I do think there is a need to "ban" social buttons.
# [jgmac1106] If you install Known from Installatron it is 0.9.2. Then download latest build from GitHub, when updating through sftp just keep the upload folder and the config.ini file
# [jgmac1106] You know how to do WordPress, if every kid on their own domain leave it up to parents what to do
# [jgmac1106] https://Edu106.networkedlearningcollaborative.com is a multiuser Known install
# [jgmac1106] I tried to set one up for the Mcverry Diaspora Facebook group https://ourclan.jgregorymcverry.com but three people joined and posted once
# [jgmac1106] It's probably set to private though
# [jgmac1106] But do it Ben was explaining to his Grandma how he had to use "ospacity" to see through his picture
# [chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] I've got a captive kid with a site that we could help you use to dogfood...
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# [wiobyrne] Thanks [schmarty] for the plugin. That might be a good option. I'm also thinking we could set up a simple RSS feed for the group. Finally....there might be a chance to set up that third space for people's feeds to intersect.
# [wiobyrne] Also thinking about some of the "talk" to have with parents/kids, and the "rules" or "expectations" of this to keep kids safe.
# [kevinmarks] If you use a creative commons licence, the Internet archive will host your video and let you embed it, but it is then public.
# [wiobyrne] Hmmm...that's a great point [kevinmarks] I would definitely do that for my YouTube content, but perhaps not for his. I wish there was an easier way to move my catalog over to the Internet Archive...or automate the process so when I upload a video, it goes to my YouTube channel..and the Internet Archive.
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# [kevinmarks] They have an api iirc
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@TaylorJadin It's Open Domains Lab time! Today I'm hoping to dive into some of the #IndieWeb plugins for Wordpress with help from this post/video from @ChrisAldrich #DoOO (twitter.com/_/status/1004833172847198210)
# [wiobyrne] The Internet Archive or YouTube? Or both? 🙂
# @TaylorJadin It's Open Domains Lab time! Today I am going to be playing with some of the #IndieWeb plugins for Wordpress using this guide from @ChrisAldrich https://boffosocko.com/2018/04/27/setting-up-wordpress-for-indieweb-use/
#DoOO (twitter.com/_/status/1004833604076232704)
# [wiobyrne] Awesome. Thanks. I might start using this to back up all materials.
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[cleverdevil] claps for Vicky
# [cleverdevil] One of my fave people 😛
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# @wiobyrne Taking Back The Web (Jeremy Keith - @adactio) at Webstock '18 - "If you care about the longevity of your online presence, independent publishing is the way to go." #indieweb http://bit.ly/2M8Yd9a (twitter.com/_/status/1004839118340280321)
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ Physical location is mentioned here: https://www.jadin.me/open-domains-lab/ I'm not sure if there's a virtual one set up (yet). If you'd like to interact directly to talk about what you're building or ask questions, there's a chat set up at: https://chat.indieweb.org/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004840692311646208)
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# [chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] There's a useful little WordPress plugin documented here for backing up posts to IA: https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#WordPress
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@Autumm Whew!
Able to make some time to update the #DigPINS website thanks to Open Domain's Lab at St. Norbert College.
Thinking about maybe doing some @VConnecting from this space next time.
#DoOO #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1004847134481534978)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Already trying to plan for a @virtuallyconnecting presence at the #IndieWeb summit @autumm been a lot of redent attention from the #DoOO crowd, especially at admin, level. Maybe we do one session focused for that crowd with your team. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3432-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1004867931560448001)
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# @jgmac1106 I do not think you have the #IndieWeb webmentions plug in installed. I would see a box below to add my post as a webmention. If you want to spend ten minutes doing a tune up I would be happy to poke around. Just hit me up in chat anytime.
Rest assured… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3434-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1004870856563154945)
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