#indieweb 2018-07-06

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dgold please don't use .io domains
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snarfed dgold: because of the security breach a while back? https://indieweb.org/short-domains#io
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dgold no
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dgold because by doing so you perpetrate the decades-long abuse of the Chagossian people
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KartikPrabhu what is .io?
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Loqi io may refer to: input/output .io short domain Google's annual IO conference https://indieweb.org/io
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KartikPrabhu it is documented on that link snarfed
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dgold https://gigaom.com/2014/06/30/the-dark-side-of-io-how-the-u-k-is-making-web-domain-profits-from-a-shady-cold-war-land-deal/
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snarfed ah, politics
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snarfed demurs
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dgold its not politics, snarfed
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dgold its human rights
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dgold they are NOT the same
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snarfed ok
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dgold using a .io domain is the same as using a hypothetical .palestine domain in the control of the IDF, or a .tibet domain in the control of the chinese, or a .jewish domain in the control of the nazis
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[cleverdevil] Okay, [manton] et al, once DNS propagation is complete, you should be able to use https://indiepaper.io
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[cleverdevil] There's a new website there, too.
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[cleverdevil] What is Indiepaper
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Loqi Indiepaper is a "read later" service, in the spirit of Instapaper, for the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Indiepaper
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dgold checks out of using Indiepaper then.
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snarfed probably #indiechat
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aaronpk ooh that is a pretty website
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dgold sorry, [cleverdevil], its a great idea, but I won't use that domain
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[cleverdevil] Feel free to share any suggestions with me, dgold 🙂
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dgold [cleverdevil]: don't use a .io domain
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dgold that's it
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dgold the land was stolen from people forced into penury exile by the british, who sold the land to the americans to use in their wars
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dgold and every cent you spend on a .io domain perpetrates and supports that endeavor
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[cleverdevil] Ah, I am familiar. You're welcome to deploy the app elsewhere if you want! Or you can use it through the direct endpoint - https://9h6ehctcjk.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/production/
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[cleverdevil] I tend to disagree with your interpretation of the situation, but its likely a topic for #chat 🙂
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dgold its not a VIEWPOINT
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dgold its a _fact_
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@miklb ↩️ @mor10 @no_fear_inc @johnbillion @carlhancock @rmccue fwiw https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/1015045374703276038)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-06.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@MrDignitty https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015094549696294912)
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jalcine dgold: thanks for that info re: .io domains
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jalcine I wish I had known this sooner
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KartikPrabhu jalcine: yes, it is one of those secret costs of choosing a domain name
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jalcine this kinda makes me wanna audit my domains now
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KartikPrabhu I do appreciate people having that point of view
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KartikPrabhu most opinions are "meh!"
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jalcine I have family who've experienced the effects of indirect money being used for anything but good
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jalcine so it hits a bit closer to home for more than I'd like
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jalcine but I'll take this to #-chat if anyone cares to go further
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KartikPrabhu jalcine: I'll pop into *-chat for a bit
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@mrshll1001 ↩️ @kierancutting Super nice! Will you be adding Indieweb stuff so I can follow there instead of on Twitter? :-p (twitter.com/_/status/1015140462334799872)
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@bradenslen Launched: IndieWeb Writers Web Ring: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/07/launched-indieweb-writers-web-ring/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015193408313405442)
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jgmac1106 Good morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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jgmac1106 !tell jalcine we could use indieweb.xyz for #indiewebpoetry for now just tagging all my relevant poetry stuff indiewebpoetry so anybody could find it regardless of service
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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skippy question: how do Microsub readers handle threads and conversations? How do IndieWeb tech solutions handle this in general?
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skippy Silos like Twitter make it easy to follow (and participate in) a thread.
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myfreeweb skippy: in general, https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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skippy okay, that's the plumbing to make it happen. How do I see a thread / conversation in Monocle or Indigenous?
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skippy another related question: for people who POSSE notes (to Twitter, for example), do they include these notes in their feed? Do they use a dedicated feed separate from their longer-form article posts?
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@bradenslen 3 Count’em 3 IndieWeb Webrings: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/07/3-countem-3-indieweb-webrings/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015227827661262849)
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aaronpk I want a good solution to following conversations in Monocle but haven't gotten there yet
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aaronpk i have some small ideas to start tho
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aaronpk For now, I just click through to the original post to see the conversation. For Twitter, micro.blog, Mastodon, and anyone's website that shows more than one level of reply it works fine
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skippy makes sense. it's a challenging problem to solve.
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aaronpk Now that I have this infrastructure I can start experimenting with some things. For example I want to be able to click on a post/tweet and see all replies to that and follow it for any replies that come in later
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aaronpk kind of like adding the comments feed of a post
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skippy :thumbsup:
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skippy when I click "new" to create a new item in Monocle, it will post to my Micropub target, yes? Just making sure.
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aaronpk I haven't decided if i want those to come in the same stream as the rest of the channel or if i want to have to click and see it in a different timeline
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aaronpk Yeah that makes a Micropub post
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skippy no way to add a title to make an article? it's notes only?
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skippy oh, no media either?
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skippy that's fine. just making sure I understand.
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aaronpk Yeah I haven't built that out very much yet. I'll probably add a photo upload at some point but I don't see a lot of reason to completely recreate Quill inside Monocle
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skippy i understand.
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aaronpk I do need to add syndication targets to it tho cause I think that's the main reason I haven't used it much
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aaronpk There's also a trick you can do if you have multiple sites and want to turn that into an account chooser to select which account to post to
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[eddie] skippy: I also am planning on adding conversation support to the Full Post view in Indigenous for iOS, just not the top priority right now. But it’s definitely on the list
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skippy :thumbsup:
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aaronpk [eddie]: do you want microsub server support for that?
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aaronpk or is that something you're going to do client-side somehow?
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@ton_zylstra Inspecting some pieces of puzzling #webmention behaviour https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/07/wrapping-my-head-around-webmentions/ @frankmeeuwsen @sebsel @martijnvdven #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1015237575890624512)
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat what is link to archive tool so I can check it out. Home from vacation and catching up on grading
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snarfed deployed a new bridgy publish feature: add labels to existing github issues. https://brid.gy/about#add-label
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/811
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Loqi [tantek] #811 GitHub: publish tag-of posts to add labels to issues
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aaronpk wow cool
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@e14t Implementing IndieWeb on your personal Drupal site, part 1 http://www.yoroy.com/2018/implementing-indieweb-your-personal-drupal-site-part-1 #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/1015261863213518849)
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skippy https://ar.al/2018/07/05/web+-on-a-phone/
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skippy that's pretty clever
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tantek__ good morning #indieweb!
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skippy hi tantek__
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[eddie] aaronpk: I'm planning on starting on the client-side. I have a local xray, so my plan is to just ping my local xray when you go to conversation view and then fill in the details. etc
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[eddie] aaronpk: It might end in a horrible fiery death, but it's my current plan
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aaronpk wow!
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[eddie] Because xray supports both Twitter and mf2 and micro.blog replies support mf2, so with Xray parsing I should be able to build in: Twitter, Micro.blog and IndieWeb conversations
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[eddie] :crossed_fingers: We'll see
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aaronpk I look forward to seeing how that turns out!
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[eddie] Because I'm so active on micro.blog and conversation threads are important to that, so it's pretty high on my priority list (after finishing up follow improvements, etc)
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[eddie] so I'll let you know how it goes 🙂
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[dgold] Skippy: it’s super clever, but it’s not really web+ on a mobile device.
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tantek__ hey plindner, what are you speaking on at dweb summit? saw you listed on the home page https://decentralizedweb.net/
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aaronpk taravancil too! ^^
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plindner I'm doing organizer grunt work.
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taravancil tantek__: as far as i understand they're won't really be talks. it will mostly be workshops, group discussions, and panels
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plindner But I may end up doing some other panel moderation as the need arises!
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plindner And I hope to be able to do a Perkeep oriented lightning talk, once I land some changes that make it worthy of discussion.
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aaronpk i'd love to go, but i'm having a really tough time justifying the cost of this.
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tantek__ taravancil: are you leading a workshop/discussion/panel?
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aaronpk I clearly fall under the "regular rate" of $750
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taravancil aaronpk: yeah it's super expensive...i don't think it was the last time
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taravancil to be fair they are renting a large venue this year
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taravancil tantek__: i'm leading a workshop and a set of lightning talks, still unclear whether or not i'm on a panel
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aaronpk are you justifying it as a marketing expense for Beaker Browser or something?
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taravancil yeah, for us this is a must-attend event
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tantek__ taravancil, yes I'm curious to see how the Mint venue works out, and whether there's a lot more attendance or not compared to 2016.
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tantek__ plindner: do you know if the lightning talks will allows slides, like on the web?
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plindner tantek__: unsure, but will find out.
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @atav1k Something in IndieWeb chat brought this up (twitter.com/_/status/1015302510095974400)
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tantek__ jalcine: there's a citation on the wiki for that too - not just an indieweb chat thing
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tantek__ what is .io
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Loqi io may refer to: input/output .io short domain Google's annual IO conference https://indieweb.org/io
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tantek__ https://indieweb.org/short-domains#io
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plindner tantek__: No response yet, but according to https://decentralizedweb.net/proposals/ "Slides are optional"
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sketchess good morning Indieweb
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gRegorLove Good morning, sketchess
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sketchess greetings gRegorLove :)
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sketchess I might be wrong, but did change your web layout during the past half year?
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sketchess seeing the bottom photo again..... triggers memories
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gRegorLove me or indieweb.org?
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sketchess your website
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gRegorLove I've changed the footer on my posts, yeah. Other little tweaks here and there are always ongoing too :)
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sketchess still liking the minimalistic style very much
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sketchess and still a good shot
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sketchess I could be wrong again, I remember you first beeing unhappy with it.
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sketchess have a nice one guys, see ya around
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-06.html
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sketchess great, I missed HWC^^........ well, bye
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@manton2 We posted a new episode of Core Intuition this week with a summary of my time at IndieWeb Summit and more. https://coreint.org/2018/07/episode-335-kind-of-a-challenge-for-newcomers/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015345830881124352)
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dougbeal o/ stevestreza
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stevestreza heya dougbeal c:
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stevestreza Tuned in during some of IWS and started lurking in here around then, while I get my updated website finished that should at least cover some indieweb basics
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[eddie] welcome stevestreza! I saw your name pop-up during the streaming.
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stevestreza Thanks! I think I was briefly in the zoom(?) before the youtube link appeared and my name would've popped up there
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-06.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/1015358486920564736)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "How the Blog Broke the Web" https://stackingthebricks.com/how-blogs-broke-the-web/ (from https://www.kickscondor.com/2018/07/06/how-the-blog-broke-the-web/)
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@aaronpk I don't completely agree with this sentiment, but it was still a fun read: https://stackingthebricks.com/how-blogs-broke-the-web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1015364623095103488)
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tantek__ that's a pretty funny read
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tantek__ of course, Blogger came out before Movable Type AFAIK
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dietricha_ aaronpk: hi! tantek__ mentioned you had some photos of the dweb meetup in sf - did you publish those anywhere?
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aaronpk oh yes I do! they're on my flickr but I have to flip them to public
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aaronpk tada https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/albums/72157692975142630
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dietricha_ i'm looking for any photos of the lightning talk we did, for some materials for dweb summit
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dietricha_ awesome, thanks!
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dietricha_ sweet, title slide ftw
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