#indieweb 2018-07-18
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@murderofcrows IndieWebCamp SF / #DWeb Hackers Day β Tantek (https://crw.moe/b/Xs) (twitter.com/_/status/1019371292766756866)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://amp.fastcompany.com/90202172/why-bad-technology-dominates-our-lives-according-to-don-norman?__indieweb_impression=true" to the "See Also" section of /principles https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50102&oldid=49039
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[chrisaldrich] How's this cartoon for a Webmentions article? https://alistapart.com/d/_made/d/webmentions_960_492_81.jpg
# [chrisaldrich] ALA tells me that the article will post Thursday morning at 10:30am ish (I'm presuming Pacific time).
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KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: that is a nice cartoon
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] what is the metaphor of a batter hitting to a racket? Different kinds of blogging platform (sports) playing together? I think it passes Taft test
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# KartikPrabhu I think ALA has an artist who draws their "cover" illustrations for each article
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ALA" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ALA is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu A list apart
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# [chrisaldrich] [dougbeal] I wish I could draw as whimsically as that... It was drawn by Dougal MacPherson
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# [chrisaldrich] I'm curious if there's a way to have Twitter backfeed for an article that's published by another article come to my site even though the original will be on their site exclusively for the first couple of months of publication? (Could Brid.gy support something like this snarfed?)
# [chrisaldrich] Maybe with rel-canonical/rel-alternate?
# [chrisaldrich] Eventually I'll publish it on my own site, but most of the reactions/replies will have come and gone before I do.
# [chrisaldrich] And most will have the rel-canonical URL on them and not my URL which would be a rel-alternate link on the original.
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# [chrisaldrich] I do have the technical capability to publish on my own site and automatically redirect to the canonical version so my personally syndicated versions to Twitter will conglomerate back to my site via u-syndication, but I can't help but think about all the other reactions I'll be missing.
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Enabling two way communication with WordPress and GitHub for Issues" https://boffosocko.com/2018/03/03/enabling-two-way-communication-with-wordpress-and-github-for-issues/
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Setting up WordPress for IndieWeb use" https://boffosocko.com/2018/04/27/setting-up-wordpress-for-indieweb-use/
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# [chrisaldrich] Loqi and IndieNews, it's not really news if it's a slightly updated post from a few months back...
# [chrisaldrich] Goodnight Gracie...
# [chrisaldrich] γγγγΏ Loqi
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# [jgmac1106] Morning IndieWeb
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[davross] Hi IndieWeb folks! I'm a Mozilla Rep and MozFest wrangler, based in London UK. I was suggested to come in here to bring the opportunity to join us for the 9th annual Mozilla Festival (MozFest), October 26-29..
# [davross] The reason it's important TODAY is that there is now only 2 weeks left to send us a session proposal. With themes along the Internet Health:
# [davross] - privacy & security
# [davross] - decentralization
# [davross] - web literacy
# [davross] - digital inclusion
# [davross] - openness
# [jgmac1106] @davidross folks are already planning a session submission
# [davross] ..along with Youth Zone, and Queering Mozfest - I'm sure you can see why I'm reaching out to you, the IndieWeb community to add your voice to our truly global community.
# [davross] in that case some encouragement! π
# [jgmac1106] There are a few alumni space wranglers hanging around
# [davross] π
# [jgmac1106] I was in 2016, but HD to decline. The co-organizer of HWC Baltimore was a web lit wrangler
# [davross] Some important linkage then perhaps:
# [davross] Apply by August 1: https://mozillafestival.org/proposals
# [davross] MozFest CFP Help: https://gitter.im/mozilla/mozfest-cfp-help
# [davross] More from me: https://medium.com/p/eb04f45dcbc5
# [davross] More from Decentralization space: https://medium.com/p/452ac084c3e4
# [jgmac1106] I think [kevinmarks] and [calum] are leading up efforts for the session. There will also be some IndieWeb stuff organized by London crew around Mozfest I think
# [jgmac1106] And tell Kevin to stop using Medium and publish from Mozilla blog
# [davross] aha Calum has been to my London MozCoffee. He a top guy!
# [jgmac1106] Nothing like decentralized web articles published on a silo
# [jgmac1106] Hee hee, kidding of course (not really)
# [jgmac1106] Some folks are even hanging in EU until IndieWeb Berlin. If you are in place to do the same you should try
# [davross] Agreed. I've been moving my static site stuff to Gitlab, but was not ready in time for my article. This is why we need folks like you there!! Tantek is doing his bit. I'm brainwashing everyone on Mastodon/ActivityPub stuff.
# [jgmac1106] Pretty cool. I miss Planets.
# [davross] Also note you can submit more than one proposal. I'd also err on the side of real human impactful outcomes. A lot of people are suffering today, out there in the world. And many of us no longer wish to be hypothesising - instead connecting and building real actionables.
# [jgmac1106] You a right Loqi RSS and MoFo blogs, those were the days
# [jgmac1106] We have some ways to play with Fediverse but thx for being a wrangler
# [davross] I'm going to stay in here too as I really need to start allocating time to expanding my knowledge in this area. Calum's meetup is usually a night of another Mozilla event so I can never go!
# [jgmac1106] I may try to make it this year with Halloween later in the week. I usually have huge party, it's Halloween. Christmas for freaks and geeks
# [davross] haha
# [jgmac1106] That is why I bailed when I was a wrangler. Had family surprise fly in.
# [davross] This is my 2nd year in the P&S space. It's mega exhausting in truth, but hugely rewarding. We started in April.
# [jgmac1106] Not sure if Fuzzy is still around but he was leading up remote participation. They should accept remote sessions
# [jgmac1106] I know, most people here have been, were, or are MoFo or MoCo contributions
# [davross] Oh he certainly is. He's one of my fave local core vols. Love him to bits. We actually ARE theinking about more ways to engage remotely. If you perhaps have any ideas..
# [davross] * primarily next year.. but never too early start
# [jgmac1106] A remote wrangler and remote sessions, if MoFo can't figure out remote participation... bigger problems
# [davross] π
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# [davross] well it's a media Uni to right so if it's likely anywhere
# [jgmac1106] Check out what Virtually Connecting does, they have fun, or wait till West Coast wakes up and talk to @aaronpk
# [jgmac1106] Indieweb summit and camps do remote right
# [davross] I know them too. I was suggesting the model to Mozfest Production. I know it's volunteers too. Got a vol from there connected with me on Mastodon
# [davross] ok see you're telling me stuff here that MATTERS.. any links to these? resources? format?
# [davross] of course this is basically a Mozfest session unfolding π
# [jgmac1106] [tantek] organized a one day hackday around DWeb conference, I will be remote participant there
# [davross] yeah he suggested I ping about the CFP
# [jgmac1106] But I like the VConnecting model of matching a remote and on the ground buddy, the remote sessions after keynote
# [davross] The wifi would struggle. It would require MAC address from hardware supplied in advance and cabled in for stability - onsite at least.
# [jgmac1106] Fuzzy used to lead up remote. Gee if only people spent time on some WebRTC standard and some platform called AirMozilla
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# [davross] The main talks are a whole other kettle of fish as the production crew is like a truck load of decks & kit. WebRTC is being tested.
# [jgmac1106] HWC is all remote. We use mumble
# [davross] like right this minute tested
# [davross] I've used Mumble for CCC
# [jgmac1106] Again if MoFo can't figure out low bandwidth remote we will never hit D&I targets
# [jgmac1106] But glad folks think about it. It's important
# [davross] 10000%
# [davross] Hey I don't disagree. We're doing our bit each of us trying to improve it. We've new IT manager. All sorts. Actually it's the D&I call next month that will test WebRTC
# [jgmac1106] Long and short there will be an IndieWeb session proposal and IndieWeb events in London around Mozfest dates and then IWC Berlin
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# [jgmac1106] Did you go to MoFo All Hands this year?
# [davross] If you UK local folks wish to integrate more with Mozilla's UK community please also feel warmly invited to our event. I tried Jitsi last week and it was total pants. Mumble might be another to go for. I've added a few of Calum's meetups in our calendar. Must add his next one! https://bit.ly/mozukcommunitycal
# [davross] No. I've never been to an all-hands.
# [davross] ~ 70 vols globally went so considering there are Mozillians registered in 121 countries I did not have my hopes up π
# [jgmac1106] I did not either, they split from MoCo and used a closed proprietary platform
# [jgmac1106] Honestly if I put in a session it would be "Make MoFo an Open Organization Again"
# [jgmac1106] But if you want the reasons would have to move to #indieweb-chat
# [davross] How we can do that with added servers requirement would be music to my ears.
# [jgmac1106] Sorry just woke up. Have my first jaded moments before coffee
# [davross] * without added server
# [jgmac1106] Not added server return to principles of Manifesto
# [jgmac1106] Ohh chat, no that is off the record channel of https://chat.indieweb.org
# [jgmac1106] It doesn't get archived and considered off record
# [davross] Hey Greg this is starting to get very very cool, but I do need to dash. We are not closed to these conversations. People like me as a volunteer are a valuable test bed for ideas and connecting with people the open web like you all right here. I'm here to learn from your deep knowledge.
# [davross] If you wish to talk more we can jump on the phone sometime or my email is davross@protonmail.com and on mastodon https://mastodon.social/@david_ross
# [davross] enjoy that coffee! I will likely be about later today πββοΈ
# [jgmac1106] I am on same instance as well
# [jgmac1106] Talk soon, thx for volunteering
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# [jgmac1106] Loving all the other languages mentioning webmentions. English Only Web Ain't an Open Web
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@jgmac1106 Discussing tags and categories with 2016-Indieweb theme (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4667-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1019575478598987776)
# @jgmac1106 Testing my categories on 2016 IndieWeb theme (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4669-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1019577386873049088)
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schmarty sorry i missed the convo on /NeoCities yesterday. i updated the page w/ some deets of an improv project i'm involved in. we have a neocities site w/ a very simple glitch.com-powered micropub endpoint.
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# [jgmac1106] Welcome [don_c] [schmarty] sorry didn't make it to Baltimore on this trip. Need to see the improve troupe
# [jgmac1106] Not sure if they were being serious but some WP developers were talking about adding an indieweb toggle on to Calypso
# [jgmac1106] @sknebel automatic charges $50 a month to add all the plugins
# [jgmac1106] I pay that much for 10 gigs annually
# [jgmac1106] Never done improve but I am teacher basically same thing. Always wanted to try
# sknebel I'd guess for the ones offering custom domain support they don't want to offer even cheaper plans, and want to keep custom domains as a differentiatior to make serious users paying customers, and don't want to have the hassle of managing domains for customers. vs for the large hosting companies its core part of the business and a scale benefit
# [jgmac1106] That's why I like Indie hosts, even though places like 1:1 can be cheaper
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@rboren @photomatt I recall the jokes made about crusty blogrolls when we deprecated the links manager. Now, folks are exhuming it for use as their canonical OPML source to feed OPML subscriptions. https://boffosocko.com/2017/11/10/a-following-page/ (twitter.com/_/status/1019275363522895874)
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# [jgmac1106] We actually did a research presentation , a buddy was friends with who line is it anyway guy, comparing comedy improve to teaching
# [jgmac1106] On Balt-Wash prky now
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# [jgmac1106] I do want to build one of those websites where you store all the data in the url
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[dougbeal] sknebel: as long as you are happy with github approved plugins, github will compile your Jekyll for you
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# [dougbeal] What is static domain site
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "static domain site" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "static domain site is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [dougbeal] What were they called?
# [dougbeal] Ah
# [jgmac1106] [schmarty] could we build all the pieces in Glitch for a basic IndieWeb blog
# schmarty i was using baltimorecrypto.party (https://github.com/martymcguire/baltimorecryptoparty/) to test some indieauth / relmeauth discovery and edits to index.html required waiting several minutes before they take effect.
# [jgmac1106] Glitch doesn't offer much storage but be cool
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@wiobyrne β©οΈ Hey Jon, I started playing with the shortcode, but had troubles adding it to my main site. I'm going to try on my experimental IndieWeb site. My main site has a lot of shortcodes baked into the theme, and that was making it tougher. (twitter.com/_/status/1019634006722301952)
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@HiveLearningNYC #hivebuzz nation in NYC is anyone interested in partnering with @jgmac1106 to sponsor and cohost an #IndieWebCamp Sept 14-16 or Sept 27-29. DM us and we can help you connect. (twitter.com/_/status/1019653564623392769)
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# @jgmac1106 @MorrisPelzel thanks for the favorite. If you want to add all the #indieweb love to your blog ask anytime.
Actually running a crash course starting 7/30. Details coming soon. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4677-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1019670505870233601)
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gRegorLove ooh
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[cleverdevil] That's cool. Do you have some mechanisms in mind already?
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aaronpk Yeah there's some brainstorming on /server-indieauth
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@bradenslen Hey Indieweb: Update on State of Webring Hosts 2018: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/07/hey-indieweb-update-on-state-of-webring-hosts-2018/ (twitter.com/_/status/1019677417374388225)
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@khurtwilliams I attempted to add a new 'beer' post kind to the Post Kinds Plugin for WordPress. #IndieWeb #PostKind #Beer (Island In The Net) (twitter.com/_/status/1019682495917428736)
# KartikPrabhu judas priest! is there going to be a new post-kind for each beverage/food?!!
# KartikPrabhu because it will get hard to maintain/update. but anyway not my problem
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# [jgmac1106] Many people want an IndieWeb version of Tappd, I think Teacup can work and a food and drink generic post works
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@fncll Why does the #indieweb validator keep giving me this error "A h-card was found on your site, but itβs not marked up as the representative h-card!" for https://fncll.org/ ? I have the u-url class (not to mention u-email and p-note markup) there. (twitter.com/_/status/1019688512180719616)
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ^
# [jgmac1106] Just go back to what Tantek always says as long as it's wrapped in an h-entry it does not matter. That's all that is consumed anyway
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@ChrisAldrich β©οΈ Ryan, I believe we're cut from the exact same cloth. Pleasure to meet you! If you haven't seen it yet, https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education
some of us are trying to pool resources to do a lot of what you're talking about. Please come join us.
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/18/reply-to-ryan-boren-et-al-on-the-wordpress-link-manager-calypso-and-indie-blogging/?replytocom=61038#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1019688745103048704)
# @jgmac1106 β©οΈ @rboren I agree with @chrisaldrich and @audreywatters in fact believe #IndieWeb a moral imperative for a schools https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-the-indieweb-improve-better-readers-and-writers-online/ (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4681-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1019692255458873345)
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@HeNeArXn β©οΈ So likely all you need to do is add a <div class="h-card"> around them. Or ask our resident wordpress experts at https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/1019697394617929729)
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# [chrisaldrich] kartikprabhu, only posts for each individual food group. Certainly beer qualifies right? Maybe zegnat could give us some guidance on creating u-beer-me and p-beer-me? π πΊ
# KartikPrabhu making up random mf2 properties is not a good idea
# KartikPrabhu atleast use the experimental *-x-* prefix notation. ask gRegorLove ;)
# gRegorLove Oof
# gRegorLove Also => dev
# KartikPrabhu or #microformats
# aaronpk Anyone want to help with this? https://ramblinggit.com/2018/07/hey-indieweb-update-on-state-of-webring-hosts-2018/
# [chrisaldrich] aaronpk, last year I had set up one Known instance that let me OAuth into it with another separate Known instance to create posts. Perhaps if one could use their own website to log into yours via IndieAuth to read it and potentially interact privately? Example: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/testing-the-ability-to-crosspost-from-my-personal-site-to posting (syndicating) to
# [chrisaldrich] I just invited him with some details.
# [chrisaldrich] It's odd, I feel like he's been syndicating into chat for so long that I honestly thought he was already here...
# [chrisaldrich] POSSE to IndieWeb chat...
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# chrisaldrich For the tape, I would not advise making up a beer microformat... and piggybacking off of the extant /drink or /eat post types is a simpler way to go if you need something beyond a /note.
# [chrisaldrich] says the guy with a /chicken feed and a chicken microformat on his site. π
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# gRegorLove Haha, love the verb "chickened" on those posts, chrisaldrich. https://boffosocko.com/kind/chicken/
# [chrisaldrich] benwerd, we could use some more history on the /chicken page if you get a moment. π
# [chrisaldrich] My problem is that now that I've got one, chickens seem to haunt me on the internet now, so be careful what you build...
# gRegorLove For example, which came first?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "egg" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "egg is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# gRegorLove I guess chicken came first :)
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@nilshauk IndieAuth, WebMentions, Websub and Social readers are all nifty building blocks for a better web. And then thereβs Vouch which will be integral as well, currently an unfinished idea for anti-spam mechanics in a decentralized #IndieWeb future. (twitter.com/_/status/1019708828206731264)
# [chrisaldrich] In the /chicken context, this headline didn't play out the IndieWeb way I expected: The Silicon Valley eliteβs latest status symbol: Chickens | The Washington Post https://boffosocko.com/2018/03/05/the-silicon-valley-elites-latest-status-symbol-chickens-the-washington-post/
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# [cleverdevil] π
# [chrisaldrich] I love that you're quiet for ages benwerd, but you pop up to chat about chickens!
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# [chrisaldrich] Definitely provide the documentation commensurate with your priorities. /fun
# dougbeal chicken is serious: https://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf
# KartikPrabhu ->> #indieweb-chat
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "chickening" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "chickening is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "chickened" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "chickened is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ chrisaldrich what do you mean by "Chickened" here? https://boffosocko.com/2018/02/17/my-first-chicken-post/
# tantek__ on a different topic (I think) - this is good for the indieweb too: https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/1018205523470979073
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@evanpro What if social software helped you have better relationships with your family and friends (twitter.com/_/status/1018205523470979073)
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# [chrisaldrich] Tantek, I needed a verb for a chicken post; chickened seemed to fit as a pseudo-verb and was better than "chickened out" π
# [chrisaldrich] For the most part, I created it as an exercise to delve into the Post Kinds Plugin to eventually write this: https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/06/manually-adding-a-new-post-kind-to-the-post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/
# [chrisaldrich] because post wasn't as much /fun?
# [chrisaldrich] I really think of my chicken feed as an "Easter Egg" on my site, and not something to be taken seriously.
# [chrisaldrich] But I agree with your stance on verbifying nouns. π
# [chrisaldrich] see what I did there?
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bradenslen good evening indieweb
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# bradenslen I made the edits to https://indieweb.org/webring I don't think I blew up the Interwebs. :-)