#indieweb 2018-07-23

2018-07-23 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] What is microcast.club?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "microcast.club" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "microcast.club is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] Microcast.club is a directory of microcasts, or short-form podcasts, created to help you discover new and interesting microcasts!
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Loqi ok
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ We're doing a virtual Homebrew Website club meetup to work on just this on Wednesday if you want to join us: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/20/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-on-july-25-2018/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021309587700559873)
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jgmac1106 Good morning IndieWeb
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tantek__ good morning jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 you still awake or getting up at some crazy hour?
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jeremych- Good morning IndieWeb. Checking after a self-imposed absence (if I can't be here properly, I'd rather not be here at all) and looking forward to some selective catching up.
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jgmac1106 begs the question was is properly being here, because I find all kinds of ways to be improper, a talent, or curse, you choose
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jeremych- If you insist.
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jgmac1106 I did say I naturally find ways to be improper. I guess insisting is one. Good to have you back
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jeremych- Thanks. Good to be back.
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jgmac1106 wow have to love the digital humantities folks, adds webmentions a week ago and pulls in 113 in a day. Part of the reason @chrisaldrich and I are going after that community hard. Already strong network of bloggers
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@jgmac1106 Hey @kfitz, @elotroalex, @readywriting, @ryanstraight, @andrewbonamici, @kathiiberens, @nickmofo, @AnterosArrows, @rosariorogel wanted to let you know @cathieleblanc, @schmarty, @dshanske and I are planning #IndieWebCamp NYC for Sept..Full Announcement… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4884-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021344009799729153)
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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sknebel welcome back jeremych-!
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I am so stoked about the new readers. Here is an article by @aaronpk https://www.godaddy.com/garage/an-indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet/ I am sure @chrisaldrich shared. Going after an IES grant to see if I can combine a social reader with #DoOO to improve adolescent writing. We can build… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4888-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021354175286906880)
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jgmac1106 If we do pull off IWC-NYC and it is looking likely, I want to leave with a webmentions credentialing system. Something like @eddies endorsment but with a permalink back to criteria and the submitted evidence proving criteria was met. Need some kind of ledger, wonder if indiepay.me could be forked for credentialing
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ rosariorogel Here is the planning page on the wiki https://indieweb.org/Planning#nyc I am hoping to finalize dates and venue TODAY. Will launch new page. Have a few speakers lined up. You should come. Remote option very strong. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4892-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021358470468128768)
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jgmac1106 what is the url for aperture I want to sign and add to my feeds to show screenshot and I forgot
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "url for aperture I want to sign and add to my feeds to show screenshot and I forgot" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "url for aperture I want to sign and add to my feeds to show screenshot and I forgot is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 no I am cool, but thanks
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jgmac1106 https://aperture.p3k.io/
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ you inspired me to to start a new feed. Now to populate with all our friends as they add #IndieWeb love (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4896-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021364020341854208)
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@cathieleblanc Looking forward to my first #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/1021365419549118466)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @kfitz Realized I can just use the list here to make my #IndieWebEdu feed: https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education Its okay about iOS..nobody is perfect. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4901-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021366683750010880)
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jeremych- Thanks sknebel
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skippy good morning, IndieWeb folken.
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sknebel good morning
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eli_oat :waves:
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jeremych- Morning skippy
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@stlouist Breaking News = Twitter/Facebook Newspapers should embrace Indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/1021386285058084864)
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[jgmac1106] Hey skippy
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@jgmac1106 Trying to Create the #IndieWeb To-Do List: http://jgregorymcverry.com/trying-to-create-the-indieweb-to-do-list/ https://t.co/yDyLfnEQzI (twitter.com/_/status/1021393941134966785)
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[manton] [dougbeal] Does Anchor allow custom domains yet? I only see an option for customizing the path part of the URL, not using a custom domain. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I criticize them. 🙂
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[eddie] 😆
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[chrisaldrich] #silosgonnasilo... I wonder with the start of /Data_Transfer_Project if it's worth making/having a graded list of silos that allow bits/pieces of IndieWeb philosophies?
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[chrisaldrich] Silos like WordPress.com and Tumblr.com that let you bring your own domain versus those that don't, but who provide useful data downloads/easy interaction versus the worst draconian silage.
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[manton] I think that's a really good idea.
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[manton] To me, the number 1 thing is custom domain names because that implies ownership. It's not descriptive enough to say that both Tumblr.com and Anchor.fm or Medium.com are silos when really only 1 of those is at all IndieWeb-friendly.
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[chrisaldrich] We should also start a pool taking dates on when the first of the "big" silos begins sending/receiving webmentions... 🙂
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[manton] Haha. I'm not holding my breath.
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect it's likely that some of them may die/disappear before it happens...
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[manton] Here's a draft of what I'm going to post about Anchor if anyone has feedback: https://gist.github.com/manton/d3d127ad1566488697386dafed2365d5
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[chrisaldrich] There was a lot of interesting criticism last year when it appeared that SoundCloud might go down that may be relevant and/or extend your criticism, particularly since it's in a related audio space.
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[chrisaldrich] what is soundcloud?
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Loqi SoundCloud is a silo for hosting/sharing/commenting on sounds and music https://indieweb.org/SoundCloud
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[chrisaldrich] https://indieweb.org/SoundCloud#Speculative_Shutdown has a few articles if you're interested in that part which underlines the need to own/control the data...
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[chrisaldrich] I always dislike the argument that services are "free" as well. You end up paying one way or another, either via direct dollars for hosting or service or with unseen costs like the monetization of your data or the eyeballs/ears of your content's consumers.
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jgmac1106 [manton] isn’t it $5 extra on top of your $5 a month? or $10 extra for a total of $15 a month?
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jgmac1106 I always like a bit of a lede or vignette to start an article but that’s the writing teacher in me. I think it is an amazing post
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jgmac1106 spot on, nothing like someone sitting on 14 million dollars say “do it free"
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[chrisaldrich] [manton] another potentially useful criticism (though perhaps tangential) is that services like Anchor.fm typically go to great lengths to hide the original audio files (.mp3 typically) from the browser which makes an even more cordoned off web and prevents useful tools/services (like Huffduffer) from working.
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[chrisaldrich] If these audio silos made the audio more easily discoverable/searchable, it would help the web a great deal.
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jgmac1106 also [manton] on this page you link to: http://help.micro.blog/2018/microcasting/ you do not include the pricing details and then say MP3s should be 25 MB or less but present the times in kbps…not sure everyone will do the math
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ For fun and not to need to reinvent the wheel: * Educators in (or aware of IndieWeb): https://boffosocko.com/about/following/#IndieWeb%20and%20Education * Related Educators in IndieWeb Twitter List: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/educators-in-indieweb/members My following page may have others of interest as well. https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/23/reply-to-greg-mcverry-about-indiewebedu/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021428545250136065)
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schmarty I like the piece, Manton!
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skippy does micro.blog have an export feature?
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[chrisaldrich] Does Anchor.fm allow creators to monetize their content on the platform? What happens if/when they own so much of the space that creators must be there or be irrelevant? Will they have the same contentiousrelationship with major creators that Facebook does with newspapers/journalism?
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skippy anchor's hosting seems to be a minimal benefit. looks to my eye like the submission to major directories (Apple, Google) and their mobile client are the bigger features.
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[eddie] I like the piece as well, Manton!
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snarfed [chrisaldrich] et al, it doesn't change your larger point, but just fyi http://huffduff-video.snarfed.org/ happily huffduffs soundcloud, probably anchor, many others
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snarfed full list: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html
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snarfed (also hrm it's slow right now. fixing...)
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[manton] @skippy Yes, export to WordPress format or push all the original files and HTML to GitHub. (More export options coming later.)
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed, I've seen the list, and have appreciated the largess, but most of those podcast services hide the .mp3 file and Huffduffer doesn't find them. I'll try to make a list of ones I have issues with, but I haven't been listening as much during the summer while I'm not commuting as much.
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skippy thanks manton.
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed++ for some of those huffduffer add-ons
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Loqi snarfed has 318 karma in this channel (404 overall)
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[manton] Thanks for the feedback, y'all. I agree SoundCloud presents similar problems, although I think Anchor may have something different planned for monetization, e.g. ads on your podcast + Medium-like memberships. Hard to say yet.
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snarfed1 [chrisaldrich]: right. my point was that huffduff-video *does* find the hidden mp3s. but still yes, obviously ideally those silos shouldn't hide them in the first place :P
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@lucas_gonze "Longevity is the goal of keeping data as future-proof as possible. If human society is able to preserve ancient papyrus, we should be able to build web technology that doesn't require us to destroy everything we've done every few years ." https://indieweb.org/longevity (twitter.com/_/status/1021433298021625856)
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[chrisaldrich] Doctorow recently tweet ranted about some of the issue of finding .mp3 files: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/985193738979782656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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@doctorow I really despair for people trying to figure out how to write the web today, given how obfuscated the referents to files on the web have become; for example, I'm about to fold a podcast that I appeared in to my own podcast feed (twitter.com/_/status/985193738979782656)
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ZachOglesby[m] That is the real issue, what is the actual business model they are going for. If they don’t actually support custom domains once they hit that critical mass they need and change everything your RSS feed is locked into their url for your listeners and at that point good luck moving if you are not happy with the way things have turned out.
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[chrisaldrich] In the medium piece Nic says "Anchor will share in the revenue in a way that will always be transparent, fair to the creator, and competitive in the market." Transparent how? Like YouTube is transparent with creators? And if they own 80+% of the market, how competitive will/can it be? Will they be taking 50% of the income all to save $10 in hosting fees?
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[chrisaldrich] Will users be able to select the advertisers that appear against their content? Or vice versa? Will advertisers be paired with Nazi sympathizers as recently seen on Youtube?
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[chrisaldrich] All this said, nice piece as it stands [manton].
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[manton] Thank you.
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[chrisaldrich] Oops, one change, his name is Nir and not NiC....
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[chrisaldrich] do fix that typo....
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[manton] I think a company like Anchor has the potential to really do something good, but I'm not optimistic. Paying back the $14 million means huge scale and growth. That means ads and lock-in, in some form.
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[manton] Oops, thanks!
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[chrisaldrich] In fact autocorrect may have gotten you twice on his name: Nir Zicherman
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skippy i've long considered building a platform that charges by the interaction. New post? $1. Add a comment? 10 cents. The idea being it would discourage some rubbish.
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[manton] I can't blame auto-correct. I think I just rushed through it. Fixed for the final post.
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skippy But people being people, they'll still post rubbish. :)
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snarfed skippy: sounds like bill gates's proposal from ~20y ago to charge (fractions of a penny) per email, to reduce spam
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snarfed like stamps on postal mail. honestly not a bad idea.
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skippy it pleases my egalitarian sensibilities; but then it just rewards people who can pay to flood your comments with trash. :(
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed, here's a good example in which Huffduffer doesn't work, and on one of the most popular podcasts out there: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/podcasts/the-daily/roe-wade-abortion-norma-mccorvey.html
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snarfed skippy: eh, not if you charge very little. say $.001 each. for the average person, that will be maybe a few dollars per month total? it only starts to add up for high volume bulk senders, which is where you want the incentive to apply
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snarfed [chrisaldrich]: afaik you can extract the underlying rss feed from an itunes podcast...but agreed, you shouldn't have to!
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snarfed also ironic, that ny times podcast is on radio public, which doesn't offer an rss feed anywhere...and yet this from the radio public architect: https://about.radiopublic.com/why-podcasting-still-needs-rss-6a2779e94e96 :(
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[chrisaldrich] Another major offender at the top of the podcast spectrum is NPR. Here's a good stand alone example of their popular show invisibilia: https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/601968934/invisibilia-for-april-13-2018?showDate=2018-04-13
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snarfed [chrisaldrich]: i see direct mp3 links in that page
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snarfed in general i've found npr to be pretty well behaved
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[chrisaldrich] I didn't look directly, but huffduffer isn't finding it for me...
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snarfed the mp3 links have query params, but they're there
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snarfed maybe ask jeremy to handle that
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[chrisaldrich] I find it quite interesting that major players who likely have some money for infrastructure as well as major exposure like NYTimes and NPR who also have advertising departments aren't self-hosting.
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snarfed npr is :P
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[chrisaldrich] In looking just now I actually realized that NPR is at least doing single pages for episodes now where they had previously been doing one page per podcast with the entire catalog of episodes on one page.
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skippy wow, radio public seems pretty cool.
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snarfed skippy: except no rss feeds or mp3 links :P
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skippy snarfed: use the app! :)
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snarfed can't tell if serious or trolling
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[chrisaldrich] Have they changed recently? I could have sworn the last time I looked they were farming it out.
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snarfed mp3 links are on ondemand.npr.org
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skippy i dont currently consume podcasts, but the radio public app looks nice overall: no account, just search and listen.
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snarfed regardless, just like we tell everyone here, you don't have to be indie or self host all the way down. using your own domain, and data portability, are the keys. applies to companies as well as people.
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[chrisaldrich] I did some research last November to write up some criticism/commentary on podcasting space. Need to circle back around to it one day.
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snarfed building and running tech infrastructure is difficult and expensive. if ny times has to choose, i'd rather they spend that money and time on journalism :P
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snarfed (they obviously do some of both...but still)
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[chrisaldrich] perhaps outlets should have a non-profit tech consortium to build infrastructure, though that would move them away from some level of healthy /pluralism?
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snarfed maybe! pluralism is great! advocating that every person and every company in the world build and run their own tech infrastructure, less so. kind of a non starter.
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[chrisaldrich] alright, we're preaching to the choir now... on to more productive work. Thanks as always snarfed!
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snarfed heh. you too!
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skippy the build-vs-buy decision is always tough, and hard to calculate costs/benefits over time. :( we struggle with that at $work all the time
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skippy how do you listen to podcasts, snarfed?
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snarfed android app, beyondpod. the key for me is i want a single app, not one per podcast, or per network
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skippy aye. that seems to be much of what radio public is striving for, too.
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aaronpk i'm super worried that podcasting is going to silo itself in the near future as bigger networks start to find other ways to monetize
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aaronpk we're in this wonderful open world with podcasts right now where there are actually multiple players and a very open ecosystem, but part of that means there is inherently almost no tracking/analytics, which people sometimes need to justify the ongoing costs
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snarfed to be fair, download counts are a reasonable metric. just incomplete and overly coarse grained
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aaronpk sure, but it's lacking a lot of information that is valuable to people
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aaronpk like, was this podcast ever played. my podcast apps download every episode but I only listen to like 1/3 of those.
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snarfed yup
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aaronpk not to mention, "how far did the listener get through the podcast"
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[kevinmarks] we're already seeing thinsg described as podcasts that only work in one silo
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[kevinmarks] the podcast extension that I'd like would be a way to associate an add episode/subscribe action to a segment, so when they do tail promos you can queue them up
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[manton] [kevinmarks] Good point on silo-only podcasts. To Anchor's credit, they produce real podcast feeds that work in any player. But without a custom domain, it all seems fleeting.
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@generativist This @indiewebcamp looks cool. (h/t @girlziplocked) https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021447622899318789)
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[chrisaldrich] I love that WordPress allows me to post /listen posts and sites like GWG's will actually collect/display them. Gives the publisher some data about listenership. There's no reason that podcast apps couldn't send webmentions (potentially with a %finished snippet) to publishers to provide that data.
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dougbeal manton: no mention of being able to use a custom domain w/ anchor
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @generativist @indiewebcamp @girlziplocked drop into http://chat.indieweb.org for conversations (available on web, irc and slack) (twitter.com/_/status/1021449337912676358)
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@generativist ↩️ @kevinmarks @indiewebcamp Thanks, Kevin! (twitter.com/_/status/1021449563985489920)
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[chrisaldrich] Here's an example of showing listens: https://david.shanske.com/2018/07/16/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-8-interflux/#comments
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skippy the pedant in me greatly dislikes the notion of "listening" being classified as a "response on" the original. :(
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[chrisaldrich] @skippy, fortunately it's pretty trivial to change that to "Listened" 🙂
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sknebel "interactions"?
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skippy sure, but that's not even a "response"...
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gRegorLove Apple Podcasts now has analytics, but that's only if people are using that app.
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skippy but this is my own personal beef. As a reader of a site, facepiles of "reads" and "likes" don't really offer me, the reader, any value.
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[chrisaldrich] The "response" is specific to his particular theme.
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gRegorLove Thankfully NPR still has their feeds to subscribe in any app, but I hear them pushing their own NPR One app a lot, instead.
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gRegorLove I really hope it doesn't move more towards each podcast network has their own app
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect that for larger news/magazine outlets they offer some "social proof" of how good or not the piece may be, particularly if people are going to the effort of advertising the interaction on their own site.
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[chrisaldrich] Fortunately with PWA maybe everyone will move back to OG web and abandon custom apps.
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[chrisaldrich] Of course, even the comments sections on major publications are just dumpster fires without any valuable discourse unless someone is heavily curating them.
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skippy https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180709/14354240208/espn-latest-to-nix-user-comments-abdicate-responsibility-fostering-good-community.shtml
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[chrisaldrich] skippy, here's another recent favorite of mine: http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/06/did-you-even-read-the-piece-this-startup-wants-to-make-that-question-obsolete-for-commenters/
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jgmac1106 So I am launching my class today. About to send this post out to students. Kind of glad it’s only ten but going to advertize in my normal circles for the open crowd: http://jgregorymcverry.com/launching-edu-522-week-zero/
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[Chris_Lott] Good luck [jgmac1106] --- that is a serious teaching challenge! All summer in a day 🙂
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jgmac1106 once I send the email, go right to glitch and get modules built
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jgmac1106 yeah pretty screwed, gonna try and make it fun
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@schmarty Technology is terrible, Instapaper goes independent, and IndieWeb takes means. It's your ~10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for July 14th - 20th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/07/23/140225/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021456646768295936)
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schmarty jgmac1106: everybody is gonna learn a lot!!
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jgmac1106 including me, I still haven’t tracked down, my css in the moduletemplate, this form when I first started learning css grid, made way more mistakes than I did in my second try with the syllabus
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • July 14th - 20th, 2018 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/493069 (twitter.com/_/status/1021459284176011266)
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@jgmac1106 Hey all my #DoOO #DigPed #EdtechAfterDark #edtech #literacies #GoOpen friends this is the three week bootcamp class I am running: http://jgregorymcverry.com/launching-edu-522-week-zero/If you wanted to build a website or bring your website to #IndieWeb tplace to be. Starts 7/30. Last bit… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4936-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021460814535020545)
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[kevinmarks] you left a space out
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[kevinmarks] or rather the POSSE did, the link is right in the underlying page
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@jgmac1106 #EDu522 Homepage is built: https://edu-522.glitch.me/ Learn more about this 3-week blogging 101 #IndieWeb #OpenPedagogy bootcamp here: http://jgregorymcverry.com/launching-edu-522-week-zero/ Follow along as I build the class live NOW on @glitch http://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/582993e2-abab-4046-a954-dd639e6966b9 (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4938-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021467354256101377)
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@sdepolo ↩️ I’ve been OK and trying different methods to challenge myself to write more on my own blog as part of my #IndieWeb commitment, including not letting myself on social chats I love till I get milestones done. #BizapaloozaChat (twitter.com/_/status/1021468868101857280)
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@macgenie Free as in Facebook? No, thank you. #indieweb https://twitter.com/manton2/status/1021447423330258944 (twitter.com/_/status/1021470689608568839)
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jgmac1106 thx [kevinmarks] will fix
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[chrisaldrich] silo-quits << https://jamesshelley.com/2018/04/10/farewell-social-media/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://jamesshelley.com/2018/04/10/farewell-social-media/" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50269&oldid=50226
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@ChrisAldrich @kfitz did you own the domain where Planned Obsolescence was peer-reviewed? It may be one of the first major examples of book-length online academic samizdat of which I'm aware. I suspect we could help provide additional exemplars and links to [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/23/indieweb-book-publishing-examples/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021477984480317442)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @jasoncartwright @rynbtmn There have been some experiments https://indieweb.org/marginalia (twitter.com/_/status/1021480686765727744)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/errorinn/status/1021208723434475520?s=19
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@errorinn i don't take names when i kick ass; i'm all about metadata-resistant ass kicking (twitter.com/_/status/1021208723434475520)
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jgmac1106 not sure why this keeps getting all the love, maybe credit for a really short poem: http://jgregorymcverry.com/if-i-leave-a-title-what-will-happen/
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mayo mayo
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mayo oyam
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mayo mayo
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mayo oops, sorry, i kept getting errors and being prompted to enter my nickname
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mayo quick question: are there any plans/discussions on interoperability between micropub and microsub?
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KartikPrabhu what do you mean "interoperability"?
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KartikPrabhu they do two different things
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KartikPrabhu microsub is for subscribing using /readers and micropub is for posting to your site
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KartikPrabhu some readers may support both from the same interface
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mayo right, I'm looking at it from implementation side. So microsub servers (like Aperture, for eg, but some others) provide micropub endpoints for each channel. Microsub, as a standard, doesn't have any way of recognizing those.
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KartikPrabhu micropub is for posting to your own endpoint so I am confused
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ^
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GWG You can post to a Micropub Endpoint to add things to a Microsub channel I think
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KartikPrabhu is more confused
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mayo KartikPrabhu: check out https://aperture.p3k.io/docs - API Keys section. Each sub channel exposes a micropub endpoint, so you can post directly to that channel, as opposed to single generic micropub endpoint
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KartikPrabhu not sure why microsub needs to know about that. it is some specific functionality from Aperture
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mayo I find this extremely useful. It allows me to push posts to specific channels.
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KartikPrabhu yeah, that is done by micropub. but why should microsub need to know about this feature?
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mayo that's microsub ... micropub as a standard doesn't understand channels
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mayo and micropub as a standard can only discover single endpoint
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KartikPrabhu is getting more confused
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mayo heh
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sknebel what problem do you want to solve?
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mayo sknebel: site that supports micropub and has multiple micropub endpoints.
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sknebel let's start with a user-facing feature
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sknebel if you just want multiple micropub targets, there's the mp-destination extension
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mayo the problem is, each endpoint needs a auth header, with mp-destination, I can't specify those
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GWG mayo, reminds me I need to implement that.
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mayo GWG: what are you working on? :)
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sknebel your endpoint would need to take care of that, yes
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mayo sknebel: there is no space in the micropub spec to add additional data to mp-destination other than url
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sknebel and?
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mayo so it's not usable as a solution to my problem, heh
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sknebel then please explain what problem you want to solve
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sknebel because "one site with multiple micropub endpoints" sounds like you want to be able to choose in the client where to send a post, and mp-destination in combination with an endpoint that knows how to talk to all targets is a possible answer to that
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mayo but mp-destination is limited by the spec to be plain URL, which is not enough. I need to provide specific headers.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "One Website to Rule Them or Separate Areas of Focus" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/07/23/23/article/
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mayo unless you're implying any extra information in mp-destination is internal implementation of the specific endpoint
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mayo s/in/for
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sknebel yes, the endpoint is responsible for everything that happens behind it
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schmarty endpoints and destinations and headers sounds like #indieweb-dev chat. meet over there?
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gRegorLove [eddie], I like the "last drank, last ate" on your homepage :)
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[eddie] 😆 Thanks gRegorLove, I’m pretty fond of it too
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mayo schmarty: you're right
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schmarty (we try to keep this room for welcoming new folks, indieweb news, and high-level concepts)
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mayo schmarty: make sense, my initial question was relatively high level, but then it broke down into tech stuff. should've moved it then.
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schmarty all good! tapping out some thoughts over there now.
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tantek__ !tell adactio https://huffduffer.com/api has a "share your idea" link near the bottom that links to a defunct getsatisfaction(.)com page. Perhaps a github.com/adactio/huffduffer/issues instead? And while you're there, https://huffduffer.com/api#microformats could be updated to note h-feed h-entry h-card support!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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skippy what iOS apps do folks use and recommend? Trying to get back into iOS ecosystem, after years of Android. Can't put my finger on why I don't like Bear app for notes as much as others, so looking for what folks here might be using.
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tantek__ what is Bear
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/bear
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GWG I need to fix that Listening thing
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tantek__ skippy I use "Notes" for notes
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skippy http://www.bear-writer.com/
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tantek__ I recommend maps.me
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tantek__ what is iOS
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Loqi iOS is the operating system that runs on the Apple iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch https://indieweb.org/iOS
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tantek__ skippy: I put some notes about apps / config tips here: https://indieweb.org/iPod
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skippy danke
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GWG So, is a post on listening present or past tense
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tantek__ listening is present, a /listen is past
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GWG So my tense is wrong in the display
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tantek a /listen is like a /scrobble - both are past tense, and the plurals are plurals of your past listens / scrobbles
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skippy but the past tense of listen is "listened" ?
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skippy unclear how "listen" is past tense.
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tantek as a noun
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gRegorLove /listen redirects to /scrobble
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tantek as in "a listen"
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tantek or "your listens"
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