#indieweb 2018-07-24

2018-07-24 UTC
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aaronpk wow lots of new podcasts on microcast.club!
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@wiobyrne "Absolutely. This is what I'd love to have with @hypothes_is" http://bit.ly/2O9vLVE @dwhly #IndieWeb @ChrisAldrich (twitter.com/_/status/1021553795170553856)
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@wiobyrne @dwhly about @hypothes_is #Indieweb & webmentions: "So, I'm putting the bat signal out. Help me understand how one could build an annotation client that would implement webmentions for folks that are interested in them." http://bit.ly/2O9vLVE (twitter.com/_/status/1021554252379037696)
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@jgmac1106 I am teaching a class on technology so dumb it’s brilliant. HTML. If you want a 3 week boot camp on blogging bringing #IndieWeb Plugins to WordPress join me http://jgregorymcverry.com/launching-edu-522-week-zero/ #edtechchat (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4976-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021554628855562240)
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tantek__ anyone else getting mobile push notifications for every tweet from a subset of the people they follow from the Twitter app?
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tantek__ seemed to start today
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@wiobyrne ↩️ Awesome!!! The #IndieWeb @hypothes_is bat signal has been lit!!! https://t.co/dqC9PGnd4S (twitter.com/_/status/1021555031630204928)
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aaronpk I've been getting "so and so recently tweeted" for a while
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aaronpk Too many accounts to go and mess with notification settings on all of them
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tantek literally "Personname Tweeted: ..." or "Personname Retweeted: ..."
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aaronpk Mine are "so and so tweeted recently:"
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aaronpk which is disconcerting when it tells me that I tweeted recently cause it's normally hours after i post something
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aaronpk Twitter is desperate for engagement
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tantek__ what is engagement
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "engagement" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "engagement is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ resists a snarkinition
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snarfed engagement is after you propose marriage but before the wedding
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove haha
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tantek__ technically after a marriage proposal is accepted
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tantek__ between after you propose marriage and a marriage proposal is accepted is awkwardness exponential with elapsed time
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aaronpk now i'm imagining a flow chart like the w3c spec process
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mblaney jgmac1106 happy to help work on a credentials version of indiepay.me
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@kendallgiles Explorations with indieweb and webmentions: “And Now to Tackle Webmentions“ https://kendallgiles.com/2018/07/and_now_to_tackle_webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021588923955535872)
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@gRegorLove ↩️ I’m biased, but the indieweb chat is a good place to keep up with things people are doing on their personal sites and get inspired! https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/1021590410513342464)
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@gRegorLove ↩️ It’s for everybody. :] But yes, webmentions were developed in the indieweb community and a lot of our personal sites support it so we can interact between our sites. (twitter.com/_/status/1021600223779581952)
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@billbennettnz Setting up WordPress for IndieWeb use https://boffosocko.com/2018/04/27/setting-up-wordpress-for-indieweb-use/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021627790460899335)
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@kukharenko Webmention - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1021646677613191168)
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@malcolmblaney #indieweb #readerinception https://t.co/m9icj2DZSU (twitter.com/_/status/1021659788424429568)
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mblaney ^aaronpk I signed into my reader using aperture, just to see if it would work after reading the conversation earlier today.
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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petermolnar mornign
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petermolnar morning
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Loqi good morning
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jgmac1106 !tell mblaney awesome, I was looking for some type of ledger that could record a credential or endorsement being given. They way badges done now so complicated. I meant to just sketch out webmention badges but went overboard here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkJbqfV0P18 and wrote abotu webmention badges here: http://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-have-an-indieweb-webmentions-credentialing-system-openbadges/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 morning all
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@jgmac1106 #IndieWeb Manifesto: http://www.uzine.net/article63.html (twitter.com/_/status/1021691649196523520)
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jgmac1106 exploring the history of microformats, microdata, namespaces, RDFa, microformats2, and JSON-LD was a fascinating little trip last few days, thanks all who shared resources
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cweiske "you know who you are"
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jgmac1106 Who is cweiske?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Cweiske.de
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jgmac1106 and now we know who you are
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cweiske no, it was more a reference to the usual "you know who you are" lines in thank-you notes of books
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jgmac1106 working on my edu 522 tutorial, meaning having to make a walkthrough of install WordPress>Add themes>add plugins>configure h-card
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jgmac1106 yeh cweiske I know most are (or should be) sleeping and tempers still flare on both sides, but I really wanted to know the history,
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jgmac1106 but assuming that may have at one time been employed by technorati is a pretty good hint on the folks who explained the folly of linkeddata
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jgmac1106 back to tutorial writing
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@jgmac1106 Upload #IndieWeb Theme to WordPress: http://youtu.be/taWSmLBDOi0?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1021712627179896832)
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@jgmac1106 Adding #IndieWeb Plugins to your WordPress Site: http://youtu.be/Do8OyQFXCEc?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1021716880346808320)
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jeremych- Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning jeremych-
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jeremych- Hi sknebel. Still trying to work out why my truncated usernzme is showing up here, but not in the members online.
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[jgmac1106] Jeremy folks did say Loqi had a hiccup yesterday messing up usernames
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sknebel jeremych-: can't you just change your username back to your full one?
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jeremych- Probably, but confused as to whether this is something to do with /nick or elsewhere.
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sknebel one way to find out ;)
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jeremych- I thought I had done that. Let me try again.
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jeremych- gives up for the moment.
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jeremych- !tell snarfed just got a message "Your instagram-atom cookie isn't working. Click here to regenerate your feed!" Is that new? Don't recall seeing it before.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed jeremycherfas: not really new, just doesn't happen often
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snarfed did you do it? :P
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jeremych- Just about to ...
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jeremych- I always forget how much eaiser it is to do in Chrome than in Safari. In any case, worked well, although there is a gap of about 12 hours, but that's OK.
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[jgmac1106] Is Safari even considered a browser?
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sknebel why would it not?
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[jgmac1106] a gentle tease but I like browsers that expose urls, and half the time when I want folks to use some web based app it won't work in Safari but will in FF or Chrome...and web extensions and Safari...ehhh yuck
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[jgmac1106] Start off any class I teach with, "Just Don't Use Safari"
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[jgmac1106] I am probably wrong, a bias built over years, but....
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jgmac1106 I can almost 100% stick to FF but do Chrome sometimes for Tweetdeck
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ So Excited! Yes #IndieWebCamp NYC is 100% a go. I met with one venue partner yesterday and have one more today. I wanted to announce the final date today but it will be real soon EOW latest (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4994-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021787406742310912)
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jmac IndieWebCamp NYC woo
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jmac I would look into daytripping over for that
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[generativist] I wanted to introduce myself. My name's Johnny (generativist on twitter). I'm finishing up a computational social science Ph.D. at GMU. I've been building computational models of belief system discovery and expression (in US democracy). I'm still at the frantic last parts of the dissertation process, but I'm starting to explore who is building what in a space similar to #indiewebcamp.
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[generativist] Hello, Folks!
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[eddie] Welcome Johnny/generativist 👋
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[generativist] Thanks, eddie 🙂
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jmac That sounds like very important and cool work [generativist] !
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[eddie] Do you happen to have a personal website, generativist?
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[generativist] Timely, at least! I had designs on a really general model, but I think I've actually just ended up with a pretty good conceptual model of how social cues dominate information exchange on social mediums, with deleterious effects. Hence, why I'm here. I'd like to change that a bit, if I can!
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[generativist] I blog sometimes: https://dispatches.artifexdeus.com/
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[generativist] And, here's my GH: https://github.com/jbn/
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[generativist] I'm still slowly reading posts linked from indieweb's wiki but I'm hoping to connect with people who build infrastructure (once I get a better sense of what you all are trying to do)
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jmac You will find here a receptive audience to new research critical of social-media "silos".
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[generativist] Excellent! I'm gonna hold back on any of my ideas until I understand this community more. My friend referred me just yeseterday. But, I'm def excited by it
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kicks [generativist]++ welcome!
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Loqi generativist has 1 karma
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[eddie] Glad to have you! One of the pages of the wiki that can help give you a sense of the community (until more people are hanging out actively in IRC is our principles page: https://indieweb.org/principles)
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jmac If you are podcast-compatible I recommend https://martymcgui.re/podcasts/indieweb/. Listening to a few episodes and following the links neatly kick-started me into starting my journey here
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kicks i think what the community is trying to do is pick up where we left with the web prior to the advent of social media
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jmac Marty repeats basic get-started info every episode, which is very useful. (Insert joke here about how this ironically violates DRY.)
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schmarty jmac: thanks for the shout-out! i should probably change up some of those repeated messages. thankfully they are reusable audio, so i don't actually repeat them when recording every week. perhaps they'd evolve better if i did!
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jmac kicks: I see it as sort of that, but more of a back-port of the web's early promise to the realities of the web of today, working with what we have instead of saying "OK, ignore all that stuff, use only these things instead" because that never works
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kicks jmac++ good point
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jmac Microformats2 gives us metadata that settles neatly into even the hottest hot messes of modern HTML usage, Webmention allows websites to send messages to each other wholly regardless of their shape, size, and platform, and so on
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[generativist] (Hello, @kicks!)
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jmac schmarty: Nah the repetition is oddly soothing, haha
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[generativist] I'll grab the podcasts. That's actually great for me now. I'm very time poor and I can do that while doing errands. Thanks
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kicks [generativist]: cool blog, i'm very interested in the #block-tweets proposal
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[generativist] oh, I had a few converstaions with people about that and decided it was a bad idea
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[generativist] I should update it.
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kicks yeah that would be great! i'm definitely more interested in the possible approaches rather than this specific approach
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[generativist] i think the idea is right -- that, without a negative signal, homogenous social media spaces will just keep seizing up -- but my implementation was bad
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kicks because it's viral in nature?
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[generativist] my implementation or social media spaces?
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kicks yeah the implementation - where someone gets blocked if they interact with the blocked user?
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[generativist] oh, that was part of it
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kicks ok i'll wait for the updated article :) glad to see ideas floating around tho!
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[generativist] but also: 1) it opens the door to abuse for people sharing them because peopel can lurk with sock puppet accounts and they become troll targets
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[generativist] and 2) the proliferation of disposable sock puppet accounts will probably dilute the value too mcuh
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[generativist] but yes, I'll update it 🙂
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[generativist] it's actually one of the first things I want to implement post-defense
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snarfed this talk at google's cloud event today looks relevant to us. 1:55pm pst, streamable. "Google's Vision for a Safer Web," https://cloud.withgoogle.com/next18/sf/sessions/session/156303
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[ryan339] Google’s vision for a safer web: “we own all the data and all network traffic passes through our servers using our proprietary protocols” 😋
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schmarty There’s a quote like that in the context of the Data Transfer Project. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/20/17589246/data-transfer-project-google-facebook-microsoft-twitter
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schmarty “This is a delicate time for a data-sharing project. Facebook’s API was at the center of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and the industry is still feeling out exactly how much users should be trusted with their own data.”
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schmarty I guess that’s more editorial from the author but I think it highlights a dangerous form of thinking
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gRegorLove Yikes
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gRegorLove If that's really the "industry's" feeling, it seems to be lacking some self-reflection. You built the tools that made it easy for people to unknowingly give away their data.
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@ChrisAldrich An IndieWeb Magazine on Flipboard https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/24/an-indieweb-magazine-on-flipboard/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021822869154750466)
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gRegorLove What is Flipboard?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Flipboard" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Flipboard is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@jgmac1106 Add Static Homepage to your #IndieWeb WordPress Site: http://youtu.be/oW-anFp7hHE?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1021827210800492544)
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jgmac1106 channel is now just getting spammed with people sharing that link over and over again
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@jgmac1106 Adding h-card widget to #IndieWeb Themes: http://youtu.be/oJ0NZLSHB-U?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1021831561744994304)
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@MarcoInEnglish My blog has been spiced up with a lot of #Indieweb features. It can now receive and send web mentions, I can create different kinds of posts like Articles, Replies, Quotes and more, etc. Am doing this all on my own WP installations. We'll see how this works out. :) (twitter.com/_/status/1021832713802850307)
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MarcoZDe Hi there! An Indieweb newcomer here. But doing OK so far. :-)
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KartikPrabhu welcome MarcoZDe
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MarcoZDe KartikPrabhu: Thank you!
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[joewillmott] Guys you're all far more internet than I. I've been having a struggle for years and finally taken the time to sit down and try to fix my email woes... but alas, I have now performed every single one of the 561,000 reccomendations thrown at me by Google and still cannot solve my very basic problem.
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[joewillmott] If I send an email to whatever@mydomain.com it gets forwarded to myemail@mydomain.com - I have removed all forwarders, but still the problem persists. Is there somewhere I may have set up a forwarder without realising?
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[ryan339] who hosts your email?
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[joewillmott] hostgator (i know, im leaving but ive paid for the year so imma use it)
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[ryan339] no experience there, so I couldn’t say, but it must be something in the hostgator settings!
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[joewillmott] I am absolutely exhausted from all the dead-ends. I feel like a 13 year old again -.-
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@manton2 Upcoming meetups: NSDrinking tomorrow night at Radio Coffee & Beer. 8pm. Also, Homebrew Website Club returning first Wednesdays: August 1st at Mozart’s Coffee. 6:30pm. Hope to see some of y’all there! (twitter.com/_/status/1021855546826268672)
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dougbeal [joewillmott]: is the email forwarding through cPanel?
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dougbeal [joewillmott]: What domain registar did you use? Have you verified that the MX record points at hostgator?
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[ryan339] ah, i didn’t consider his MX records pointing at a proxy that could be doing some mailbox shenanigans, good point!
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[kevinmarks] [generativist] I think Holly said you're Bay Area now, so see if you can get to SF Wednesday for Homebrew Website Club,
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[generativist] I am, [kevinmarks]. Moved to Downtown San Jose. In the future, I'll be able to go to SF for events, but until I finish my dissertation the public transportation round trip is very time expensive
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[generativist] (Actually, I asked Holly knowing she knew people out here. I'm kinda amazed there is so few events in San Jose proper. It feels like a weird desert)
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[kevinmarks] we did try some south bay ones, but turnout was less good - you still need to travel a lot.
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[kevinmarks] caltrain is not bad for working on if you are laptop based - there's no wifi but phone tethering mostly works
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[generativist] yea, i saw lots of defunct meetups for various groups
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[generativist] yea i've only taken it a few times. works well enough (albeit not especially speedily)
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[kevinmarks] there are more things in Palo Alto than SJ - stanford is a nexus
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[generativist] yep haha. i've met up with a few people out here via twitter and it was all in Palo Alto
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[generativist] i def will do homebrew soon though
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gRegorLove Belated welcome, [generativist] o/
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[kevinmarks] some O'Reilly events are in North SJ, though that can take a long on the light rail as SF
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[generativist] Thanks, [gregorlove]!
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[kevinmarks] I recommend a bike+caltrain
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[generativist] ah, makes sense, thanks
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gRegorLove [joewillmott], We might be able to help with your email problems more in the dev channel.
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[kevinmarks] you can put bikes on the train, biking in SJ/PA is easy, SF is s bit tougher (hills, trams)
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[generativist] Yea I saw. Dedicated bike cars on the train, too!
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[kevinmarks] see if you can make this event https://indieweb.org/2018/SF
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[generativist] I need to explore the whole area once I'm phdone. Lots of cool conferences too, although some are pretty damn pricey
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[kevinmarks] that's an indieweb day + an evening at internet archive - that's worth the train journey
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[generativist] Oh wow! IA events were some I really awnted to go to, too. (Missed the aaron swartz day hackathon)
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[generativist] I'm really gonna try and make that one
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[generativist] thanks, Kevin. Hopefully see you there
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[kevinmarks] I'm in the UK now, so not goign to happen
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[kevinmarks] but I was the SJ to SF commuter for ~15 years
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[generativist] Oh, haha
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[kevinmarks] IA has drop-in friday lunches which can be fun, but it is a long bike ride from caltrain SF
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[generativist] hrm. may be worth it for me. thanks again
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ So glad I skipped #iste to go to #indieweb summit. The Smart Badges are everything wrong in #edtech wrapped up in one. Educators need to stand up and fight for a better web. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5001-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021864390625243142)
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[joewillmott] Will google the heck out of MX records and explore that area, thanks gang
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[joewillmott] it's got late (and ive got frustrated) enough for me to end my hunt for tonight, but in a couple of days when i have the energy, i have a notepad full of "have you"s and "you should"s to look into
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[joewillmott] thanks 🙂
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dougbeal [joewillmott]: You might also learn what servers the mail transited from mail header, if you can view the raw message.
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[chrisaldrich] Anyone know about https://twitter.com/HelloNaamio/status/1021305668148527104 ? It looks like it might be an interesting project/business brewing?
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@HelloNaamio For those of you out of the loop, we're a decentralized web content platform with support for ecommerce and social media! We have first-class support for #ActivityPub and #RSS, and have a progressive web app that allows you to manage your content on the move, even offline! 🎭 (twitter.com/_/status/1021305668148527104)
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@oldaily An IndieWeb Magazine on Flipboard #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/68366 I don't think much of FlipBoard because, as Chris Aldrich  says, it's just another silo. (twitter.com/_/status/1021899178677559296)
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@nick_chater An IndieWeb Magazine on Flipboard https://ift.tt/2mM5vo1 #EdChat (twitter.com/_/status/1021904937037574144)