#indieweb 2018-08-06

2018-08-06 UTC
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gRegorLove Haha https://twitter.com/xor/status/1026164197485424640
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@xor We know little about that ancient culture, and even less about the "web" they used to communicate, but we believe the incantation "utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook" was very significant to them (twitter.com/_/status/1026164197485424640)
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KartikPrabhu lol
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jmac Decided to use Chris Aldrich's recent alistapart.com article (https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet) as a first-order hyperlink target for the word "Webmention" in user documentation, for now. It's pretty gooood.
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jmac That's kind of a weird illustration for it though
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jmac (I know this is not Chris's doing)
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jmac Like, shouldn't the guy on the right be catching the ball for later verification and subsequent representation on his personal domain, instead of smashing it back to the guy on the left? Or maybe this is meant to illustrate proper error handling of invalid mentions. idk.
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KartikPrabhu jmac: it is an illustration
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KartikPrabhu if you make a metaphor 100% accurate it isn't a metaphor anymore
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__number5__ Anyone knows what happen with Freenode? Why I suddenly got so many DM spams?
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jalcine Freenode has been going through it over the last few months
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__number5__ I got 30(!) DM spam over the weekend, all told me my channels have been moved to EFNet :P
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi greetings human
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ephemer0l_19 Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
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Loqi ephemer0l_19 said: Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
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ephemer0l_19 This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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ephemer0l_19 Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
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ephemer0l_19 Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
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@ISCdotORG We have not received any money from @hns. We have asked them to take us off their web site, we didn't give them permission to list ISC on their web site and we do not endorse their initiative. (twitter.com/_/status/1025461692132519936)
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petermolnar do we have examples of "follow" pages which offers solutions for non-indieweb, generic public, to subscribe to a website? It's getting tricky, now that Firefox is planning to remove RSS from it's codebase.
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[jgmac1106] See [chrisaldrich] follow page
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[jgmac1106] We have also been trying to document different types of rss feeds on /rss
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[jgmac1106] I woke up to working microsub today speaking of feeds. Was supposed to spend my indieweb time today fixing rss feeds in WP but I slept through first hour may skip a day of #morninghack
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Zegnat I feel like a lot of the bigger blogs have just been switching to newsletters again in the recent years, petermolnar
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petermolnar I was wondering about that, and I reached the conclusion that instead of a newsletter, I'll set up a google groups for my updates, which is owner-post-only - eg. rss via mail. Reasons: google group, because dealing with DKIM and mailing lists is painful, google because it (hopefully) makes things not to go to spam with gmail. I've tried blogtrottr back a long while ago, but that ended up in spam for nearly everyone.
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petermolnar for alternative ways, I'll keep thinking.
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Zegnat Twitter still seems very popular as a venue for notifications as well. Set up a separate Twitter account for your site and have links to posts automatically go in there
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petermolnar given that I'm not using my own account for nearly anything, that could work as well
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[jgmac1106] I don't newsletter but send out a weekly digest of post. People subscribe if they want..
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Zegnat Feedbin lets me subscribe to newsletters, meaning they end up in my RSS reader. Best of both worlds ;)
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[jgmac1106] Lost a ton as I went all IndieWeb and they got a list a mile long of post called (no title).. But I don't monetize so I don't care
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[jgmac1106] Most folks in my world just use inoreader
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petermolnar rss readers are sparse when it comes to general population
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sknebel a few people I know use Sendy with Amazon SES
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sknebel and a bunch of other mailing providers have free tiers, e.g. I think the indieweb newsletter uses one of these
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[jgmac1106] I am okay with niche approach. Build for those with shared values,... The idea of having to do one more thing....
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[jgmac1106] Yet my friends who have newslettered for years have massive subscription bases, far exceeding folks subscribing to my blog
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Zegnat I have subscribed to, and unsubscribed to, a lot of newsletters. I find them to be very mixed. And the plaintext email versions are often terrible
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[jgmac1106] Thought about just sending out my bookmarks and articles as an auto email on Fridays
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[jgmac1106] But @petermolnar look at Chris's follow page
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[jgmac1106] Just feel I put all this effort into writing on the web for others to find...if the audience too lazy to find my work on their own they can go elsewhere
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[jgmac1106] I also don't track analytics because of the privilege of not monetizing
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[jgmac1106] Now that aperture is working I need to finally groom my RSS feeds, finally just deleted them all after 15 years or so... Had to use hatchet after neglecting scapel for too long
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petermolnar oh, wow, that's one long list https://boffosocko.com/about/social-media-accounts-and-links/
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[jgmac1106] https://boffosocko.com/blog/subscribe/
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[jgmac1106] so in terms of semi-private shares, what about authenticated feeds? Could I make a feed of post that were password protected?
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[jgmac1106] up starting my timer, be back to chat in 25 minutes
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cweiske the tt-rss feed reader supports feeds that want http basic auth
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GWG I just dropped ttrss in favor of Fresh RSS until I get Microsub
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cweiske what is fresh rss
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fresh rss" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fresh rss is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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cweiske what is freshrss
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Loqi FreshRss is a free self-hosted feed reader written in php https://indieweb.org/FreshRSS
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cweiske fresh rss is /FreshRss
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Loqi ok
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GWG I wanted something simpler for now
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sknebel I've seen feeds with long, random ids too as a compromise
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Zegnat capability urls for the feeds, basically
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@IndieWebCampDE Der nächster Homebrew Website Club in Nürnberg findet übermorgen statt — kommet zu Hauf! :) https://indieweb.org/events/2018-08-08-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg (twitter.com/_/status/1026430057726636032)
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cweiske freshrss has microsub support?
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GWG cweiske: No.
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GWG I intend to use it until I build or receive Microsub support
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Zegnat How is FreshRSS compared to tt-rss, GWG?
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GWG Zegnat: I never use the web interface. I use it to connect to an Android app. But, the only major difference is that TT-RSS has some plugins to extract full article text for feeds that don't have it
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GWG It also still supports Websub, which TT-RSS ripped out one day, I believe
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cweiske yes
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cweiske I never came around bringing it back via plugin
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GWG I found the Articles Path on CSS setting. Okay. It can do full feed.
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Zegnat I might give it a shot, I want to start owning my subscriptions
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GWG Zegnat: What do you use now?
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Zegnat Feedbin
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[dgold] I’ve also recently moved to freshrss, happy to help if needed
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Zegnat I am actually pretty happy with Feedbin. Just interested in owning the archive myself.
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cweiske you don't want to self-host feedbin?
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Zegnat I don’t want to selfhost something in a programming language I dislike, no, cweiske
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cweiske :)
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cweiske same here
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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GWG dgold, why did you move and what do you like/hate?
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Zegnat Hi jeremycherfas! :)
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jeremycherfas Was my email what you wanted, egnat?
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jeremycherfas Must clean this keyboard. zegnat ^^^
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Zegnat That seemed to have definitely been part of the conversation, but no. I think we got to some specific system of organisation. That may or may not have had a software equivalent. (sebsel pointed me at pile of index cards, but that didn’t seem to be it either.)
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Zegnat It is probably lost to history now. I will up my note-taking game at HWC
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jeremycherfas => #chat
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petermolnar I've tried freshrss, went back to miniflux 1 for the wallabag integration
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Zegnat I was getting to the point where miniflux looked like an option, and then they spun that off to a completely different language and infrastructure...
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GWG Zegnat, ditto
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petermolnar sure, but 1.x is sort of done...
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petermolnar I have one single slim feed where it can't download the content on it's own
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petermolnar otherwise it just works
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dgold GWG: I was using miniflux - I stopped because the dev is an utter arse. Attempts to engage with him were met with naked hostility
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petermolnar it very much looks like there's an rss reader dev pattern there
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petermolnar same applies for tt-rss
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snarfed whee, got my first copyright takedown notice for huffduff-video. won't be the last, i'm sure
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snarfed from the BBC. very polite and reasonable.
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petermolnar huh?
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snarfed they emailed and asked me to not allow huffduff-video-ing BBC videos due to their copyright
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snarfed (which i will happily obey)
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snarfed in unrelated news, great example of a simple question that indiemap answers well: what fraction of links on the indieweb are relative vs absolute? https://github.com/microformats/mf2py/issues/122#issuecomment-410547625
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Loqi [sknebel] First PR: #123 I'd be interested in a somewhat representative sample set for pages to parse: e.g. right now I'd like to know in what ratio encountered urls are relative vs absolute. I maybe could grab 100-1000 random entries from indiemap or brid...
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snarfed answer: 423M links total in the dataset, 158M are relative, so ~37%
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sknebel snarfed: you saw my last update to the PR to your PR? if that looks ok to you, fine for release IMHO
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snarfed sknebel: thanks for the nudge! i saw the optimization PR, but not one for the revert. will look
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sknebel snarfed: https://github.com/snarfed/mf2py/pull/2
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Loqi [sknebel] #2 Implement and document safe operations on incomplete copies of BS4 elements
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed aha, wasn't watching that repo. maybe that's the default for forks? odd.
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sknebel huh
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sknebel interesting
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tantek__ Facebook << 2018-08-02 NYT / Kara Swisher: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/opinion/the-expensive-education-of-mark-zuckerberg-and-silicon-valley.html Opinion: The Expensive Education of Mark Zuckerberg and Silicon Valley] They have weaponized social media, and we are all paying the price.
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-08-02 NYT / Kara Swisher: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/opinion/the-expensive-education-of-mark-zuckerberg-and-silicon-valley.html Opinion: The Expensive Education of Mark Zuckerberg and Silicon Valley] They have weaponized social media, and we are all paying the price." to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50667&oldid=50432
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tantek__ Facebook << 2018-07-31 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/facebook-political-campaign-midterms.html Facebook Identifies an Active Political Influence Campaign Using Fake Accounts]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-07-31 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/facebook-political-campaign-midterms.html Facebook Identifies an Active Political Influence Campaign Using Fake Accounts]" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50668&oldid=50667
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[dgold] GWG/Zegnat : fresh rss is php, pretty non-memory intensive, and the dev team are a delight.
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[dgold] Unlike other self hosted rss solutions where the dev singular are crazy people :)
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[dgold] I had one interaction with andrew dolkov(sp?), he at least was not rude, but he didn’t seem particularly tolerant.
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[dgold] GWG: re fullfeed items, I found it as easy to spin up a free heroku instance of huginn to create a full content feed of the two sites I was interested in. Does the job.
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snarfed morning tantek__! how'd the mtg with the data transfer people go?
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tantek__ snarfed, better than expected, though there's still a lot of challenges to overcome
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snarfed interesting!
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snarfed anything in particular i should know?
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tantek__ Did my best to ask hard(er) questions, and how folks responded was just as illuminating as what they said
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snarfed how hard a line are they drawing on migration vs sync, individual post, etc use cases?
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tantek__ snarfed, not really drawing any such hard lines, but more a question of prioritization
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snarfed huh ok
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snarfed happy to wait for a blog post or switch channels/DM if you want
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tantek__ e.g. I specifically asked for "delta dumps"
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tantek__ since a certain date, or previous dump etc. (imagine once a day polling for example)
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tantek__ snarfed, -chat is good for informal chat
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snarfed sure
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GWG dgold, I had runins with Dolgov too
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[dgold] GWG: the Flameeyes thing was The Last Straw for me. I’d seen that user on the ttrss forums, had not put 2+2 together that he was the dev
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GWG I am happy to move till I can host a Microsub option
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@ISCdotORG We have not received any money from @hns. We have asked them to take us off their web site, we didn't give them permission to list ISC on their web site and we do not endorse their initiative. (twitter.com/_/status/1025461692132519936)
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sknebel aaronpk: ^^^ that is Loqi expanding a tweet from a non-voiced user I think
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk nice edge case
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gRegorLove I was wondering where that came from
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aaronpk guess i'll limit tweet expands to voiced users for now
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[tantek] Flyer posted at MIT today
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aaronpk oops, slack gateway isn't uploading images anymore
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-08-06-14-02-30-FMJejlpiIa.jpg
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yosi HELLO
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yosi xd
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yosi lol
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@schmarty Farewell to Facebook syndication, notes from the DWeb Summit, and a cat on the IndieWeb. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for July 28th - August 3rd, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/08/06/193442/ (twitter.com/_/status/1026613443707777024)
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