#indieweb 2018-08-07

2018-08-07 UTC
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[kiai] Hello #indieweb
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[jgmac1106] Hello [kiai]
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[matpacker] hello [kiai] welcome to the IndieWeb
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[kiai] Thanks [matpacker]
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/oliviataters/status/1026594279622230017?s=19
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@oliviataters centralized projects printing money for themselves and their friends while pumping the decentralize the world mantras are absolutely unbelievable. (twitter.com/_/status/1026594279622230017)
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@Veruska96d Adding #IndieWeb Plugins to your WordPress Site https://www.datsfree.info/adding-indieweb-plugins-to-your-wordpress-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/1026742435496517632)
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Zegnat Good morning indieweb
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jeremycherfas Good morning zegnat
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Zegnat Hello jeremycherfas :) Any IndieWeb-y plans today?
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jeremycherfas None. I can't believe the treadmill I have put myself on with my daily podcasts.
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Zegnat What you need is an indieweb podcast ;)
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cweiske sounds worse than writing a blog post a say
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cweiske s/say/day/
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@growdigital ↩️ I have yet to implement them @IndiegoHugo, my @GoHugoIO #IndieWeb theme, but there is good thread here: https://discourse.gohugo.io/t/anyone-for-webmention/10411 (twitter.com/_/status/1026762403873284096)
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[jgmac1106] Morning all
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Zegnat Hi [jgmac1106] :)
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[jgmac1106] Hope all is well
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jeremycherfas Zegnat - that market is way too crowded.
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jeremycherfas Hi [jgmac1106] Class going well?
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, ha, you might be right! I still haven’t gone through the one by GWG and chrisaldrich completely.
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[jgmac1106] Yeah... Half the people got scared off and dropped before it began but that is more reflection of format then content
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[jgmac1106] 3 weeks from never being online beyond a silo to going full IndieWeb WordPress...it's hard
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[jgmac1106] [cweiske] if you need stuff to blog about I post daily challenges
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jeremycherfas Right now, I need someone to help me research my daily podcasts, but that isn't going to happen.
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[jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] you mean what to listen or you need research done?
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jeremycherfas Need research done.
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[jgmac1106] ... What? I can see if anyone wants it as a class project
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Zegnat Move research talk to #chat? :)
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[jgmac1106] Sure
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[jgmac1106] Do folks think webmentions.io is easiest way to set up and receive webmentions for https://edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.com?
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Loqi EDU 522: Digital Teaching and Learning Too
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Zegnat Under what objective goes “receive webmentions”?
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Zegnat But as far as ease of receiving webmention, yes, wm.io is probably the easiest wm-endpoint-service
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Zegnat The problem is of course that you do not really “own” the received mentions then. Unless you use something like Morris to create a copy
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[jgmac1106] I want them to send a webmention here http://edu-522.glitch.me/TeachSomething.html
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry] Teach Something Project
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[jgmac1106] And I want to send from here: http://edu-522.glitch.me/IDLV2badge.html
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry, PhD] Instructional Designer Level 2 Badge https://cdn.glitch.com/7af7b78a-254a-4110-ad5c-c1b984075626%2FIDLvl2-badge.png?1533578521935
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[jgmac1106] ...it will be on my domain need to move from "staging" still lying in bed bc we are puppy sitting and dogs in my office
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Zegnat I think asking them to send you a webmention is nice. And that can be done in many ways (curl, telegraph, CMS, ...).
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Zegnat I am just wondering what the goal is asking them to aso receive webmentions.
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Zegnat Do you expect something to be done with the webmention?
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[jgmac1106] Okay will check out Morris. I want to make headway before I go begging around globe at HWC
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Zegnat Receiving with wm.io is easy enough, but then what? Then the wm you have sent them is stored by wm.io ... what do you actually want students to do?
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[jgmac1106] They all have WP, easy for them to send and receive
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[jgmac1106] They are going to build a portfolio page displaying webmentions I send as badges
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Zegnat Aah, OK, if you know everyone is on WP that makes it a bit easier. As you can focus on what happens when WP has received a wm
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[jgmac1106] By the time I leave IWC NYC I want to have all the parts to an IndieWeb LMS MVP
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[jgmac1106] Currently I need to make a manual file for each badge, not sustainable.. Started working on javascript form...but have no idea how to spit out and create a new html file... Gonna need a database solution
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[jgmac1106] .... But for now, proof of concept, can I receive a badge application as a web mention and award badge as webmention
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Zegnat +1 to proof of concepts!
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[jgmac1106] Then @zegnat I return to the citation engine you made and combine that with what I found from UNC library and it's done
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Zegnat Exciting
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[jgmac1106] Doing a correct h-cite with SPA still aaf
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[jgmac1106] With APA... In a SPA less annoying
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Zegnat h-cite wasn’t really made for it. Though if you can show the usecases and possible prior art I could totally see the microformat being extended. Just a matter of documentation.
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Zegnat FWIW, I could totally see sort of a badge-as-a-service system working. Where you add badges to the system through a standard form. And then can send those badges to different URLs as a separate action. (“Send badge #15 to example.com.”)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah... Badge as service is what I need to get to. I started on the javascript forms.. But the OG template still needs to be handcoded for now
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Zegnat Do you need javascript? What’s wrong with a normal HTML form?
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[jgmac1106] Goal for now send and receive from two sites... Baby steps
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[jgmac1106] My apologies form built in html, was using javascript to populate form fields into a different html file
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[jgmac1106] Can this be done in just html and do we need to go to - dev for answer
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Zegnat Lets take it to #dev :)
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@kjblank80 ↩️ Lost? His fans will follow him. His podcast still exists as RSS feeds. He makes the @indieweb case to self host because a private platform can choose remove content at anytime. Now he will run free with no platform forum scrutiny. (twitter.com/_/status/1026792488701440001)
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dgold great.
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dgold alex jones making the case for the indie web
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[kevinmarks] This is great, but bit sure where to attach it to the wiki https://twitter.com/l1quidcryst4l/status/1026256546114822151?s=19
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@l1quidcryst4l new to queer twitter? just made your account? came out recently? well, lucky for you, i’m going to save you a whole bunch of heartache with the official: JESS FROM ONLINE GUIDE TO QUEER TWITTER ETTIQUITE (twitter.com/_/status/1026256546114822151)
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[kevinmarks] [jgmac1106] how about webmention.herokuapp.com (you could spin up an instance for your course)
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jgmac1106 I think this will work, came across it yesterday and added it to the list…but this looks like best option for my class
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jgmac1106 thanks [kevinmarks]
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jgmac1106 What is context collapse?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "context collapse" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "context collapse is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 there???? sorry just have difference between open and private on my mind
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[kevinmarks] context collapse is when something written in one context is repeated to another context, often for the purpose of attacking the writer - it is a key failing of /twitter and a misunderstanding of /publics
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Loqi ok
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jgmac1106 Context collapse refers to when a social media user who belongs to a specific peer or social group shares a post publicly but with the expecation that the audeince understands the social norms and practices of the gorup creating a “private” post in public. Then another social media user, not part of the peer group, encounters or interacts with the post using a different set of norms, values, and practices.
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jgmac1106 oops beat me
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[kevinmarks] Do edit it
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[kevinmarks] context collapse << https://medium.com/message/context-collapse-architecture-and-plows-d23a0d2f7697
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Loqi ok, I added "https://medium.com/message/context-collapse-architecture-and-plows-d23a0d2f7697" to a brand new "See Also" section of /context_collapse https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50696&oldid=50695
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jgmac1106 I will and your example is great, would love to find an example from Black Twitter as well
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[kevinmarks] context collapse << https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/the-new-york-times-fired-my-doppelganger/554402/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/the-new-york-times-fired-my-doppelganger/554402/" to the "See Also" section of /context_collapse https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50697&oldid=50696
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[kevinmarks] contex collapse << http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2013/12/08/coining-context-collapse.html
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "contex collapse" or similar
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[kevinmarks] context collapse << http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2013/12/08/coining-context-collapse.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2013/12/08/coining-context-collapse.html" to the "See Also" section of /context_collapse https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50698&oldid=50697
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@JorisGriffioen ↩️ All true, but I think you underrate the discovery and signal boosting of big platforms. Also: humans are lazy, every extra hurdle lowers his potency. (twitter.com/_/status/1026798580198244352)
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[kevinmarks] Lost of great references in danah's post if you want them
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[kevinmarks] context collapse << https://twitter.com/l1quidcryst4l/status/1026256546114822151?s=19
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@l1quidcryst4l new to queer twitter? just made your account? came out recently? well, lucky for you, i’m going to save you a whole bunch of heartache with the official: JESS FROM ONLINE GUIDE TO QUEER TWITTER ETTIQUITE (twitter.com/_/status/1026256546114822151)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/l1quidcryst4l/status/1026256546114822151?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /context_collapse https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50699&oldid=50698
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[kevinmarks] publics << /context collapse
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Loqi ok, I added "/context collapse" to the "See Also" section of /publics https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50700&oldid=49834
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[kevinmarks] Hm, does that work or do I need []
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jgmac1106 grrr I just lost all my edits due to conflict
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jgmac1106 [[double brackets]] for internal
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jgmac1106 [single] for external
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@jgmac1106 Just added an article about context collapse on the #IndieWeb wiki with @kevinmarks as we study open v privacy in #edu522. Perfect example of how open pedagogy works in the wild. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5690-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1026803098663243777)
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jmac I have maybe my first need for Webmention moderation; a bot added an article of mine to its "regularly tweet a fresh link to this article" schedule, and the results look a bit odd. http://fogknife.com/2018-03-27-i-read-the-overneath.html#webmentions
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jmac Its interesting because it's in no way spammy or abusive behavior, but it ends up looking a bit like that due to my presentation
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jmac (Those mentions are maybe a week or two apart from each other; it strikes me too I ought to display dates, eh)
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@vishae What I am up to as of… 16 April 2018 IndieWeb removing the u-photo leak so Bridgy can cross-post images to Twitter properly automating u-photo class for actual images in a post Explore automation with Keyboard Maestro (on Mac) and Workflow (on ... https://www.serenawho.com/2018/08/08/7215/ (twitter.com/_/status/1026849724677218304)
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[johnjohnston] Hi, I am in need of a little help with aperture, Indigenous, alltogethernow and monocle. I’ve got aperture set up ok (As far as I can see) but nothing shows up in Indigenous or alltogewthernow. Monocole shows me an error 403 with Bearer Token Not Supplied. I am using WordPress and the indieweb plugins. http://johnjohnston.info/blog I’ve put slightly fuller notes at http://johnjohnston.info/oddsandends/aperture.txt including the error mess
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[johnjohnston] welcome. My original aim was to get Indigenous working…
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aaronpk hey cool, that's progress on the error surfacing front!
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aaronpk sounds like the access token isn't making it to wordpress, probably the authorization header thing. looking for a link...
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aaronpk looks like this has some troubleshooting steps but I thought there was more https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/#i-keep-getting-the-response-that-my-request-is-unauthorized
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[johnjohnston] [aaronpk] thanks I’ll try the debug step
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aaronpk there's something you can add to .htaccess too, GWG do you know where that is documented?
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gRegorLove https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/#faq-header
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[johnjohnston] added define( ‘INDIEAUTH_TOKEN_ERROR’, true ); turned debugging on and logging but nothing in the log file when I tried monocole again.
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aaronpk oh thx gRegorLove, I didn't realize that page was different from the readme
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gRegorLove Separate plugins
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aaronpk ohhh
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[johnjohnston] that .htacess bit worked thanks [gregorlove] [aaronpk] both monocole and indigenous working now:-)
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aaronpk awesome! that step should get added to the indieauth plugin instructions then!
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sknebel still would like the plugin to self-test that if possible
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aaronpk -> wordpress
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@sl007 ↩️ just btw : a way requiring minimal work could be a webmention [https://indieweb.org/Webmention] to activitypub bridge, then you could use https://brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/1026858419372916737)
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@HongPong if you are concerned about the problems with publishing and social media and like whoever the next #AlexJones deletion is gonna be: RSS feeds + syndication. check https://indieweb.org/ .. and rsync can mirror lots of files. best of luck (twitter.com/_/status/1026873667400216581)
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@metbril I was wondering if your #indieweb #microformats2 #wordpress mf2_s theme repo is still under active development? It has not been updated for a year. https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_s (twitter.com/_/status/1026873802519662593)
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yosi :-D
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yosi hello
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yosi hello
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yosi lol}
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KartikPrabhu hi
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yosi Hello, what are you doing
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yosi :-[
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yosi watch this
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yosi https://subefotos.com/ver/?f9caa96baad25946ec2c16deca1d54c8o.jpg
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yosi https://subefotos.com/ver/?16b07a45d3e0037150d4c3060597da4do.jpg
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yosi estas dos
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yosi :P
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aaronpk yosi: please don't spam the channel
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yosi lol
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KartikPrabhu yosi: this channel is for indieweb related discussion. do you have your own site?
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yosi lol
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@petermolnar Apparently it’s not possible to run fully static sites with dynamic features, such as webmention handling - you can get close to it, but you do need to embrace external services.: https://petermolnar.net/running-a-static-indieweb-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/1026886211762376704)
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tantek__ wat
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tantek__ hey yosi, how did you find #indieweb?
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yosi QUE SIGNIFICA ESO no se que significa
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yosi no hablo casi en ingle
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yosi :-X
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yosi there is forgiveness and I read it I wanted to put here I see it very cool
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yosi https://subefotos.com/ver/?443fcdd801c218830a733fb3425a3a75o.jpg
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@jgmac1106 #EDU522 Daily Update VIII: Using #IndieWeb Post Kinds: http://youtu.be/ElgXo9nonwc?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1026911512114470912)
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[jgmac1106] I threw out all my rss feeds after too long of no grooming trying to think of best way to crowdsource new recommendations
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: how about from the likes of the h-feeds you follow?
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[eddie] jgmac1106: I have a recommendations channel where I subscribe to people's likes, reposts and follow feeds when I find them
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aaronpk Ohh *just* the likes and reposts in that channel?
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[eddie] Yep
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[eddie] Then I filter out likes and reposts in my normal channels
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aaronpk that's pretty cool
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@HongPong ↩️ It's a good time to talk about RSS feeds, anti trust in social media, #indieweb design principles (http://indieweb.org), #mastodon etc (twitter.com/_/status/1026940497087090688)
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tantek__ wow https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/08/killer-memes/566498/
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tantek__ "Last year, Alex, a 19-year-old in California who runs a network of Instagram pages dedicated to publishing memes, became so frustrated with the current apps for making memes that she hired a developer to build her own. She spent $3,000 on the project, which she says has saved her hours of time and frustration."
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] it isn't a killer meme making tool, we need to take the lessons of Mozilla Popcorn, Zeega and [kevinmarks] hatred for google and wrap them up into one art generating machine. the layout in terms of CSS Grid is prettly simple, its the input fields allowing 25/50/75/100 on top of a slide where you can set a background image and done
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[jgmac1106] it doesn't take any money, we could easily ( a relative term) spin up an IndieWeb version that could be an HTML first version of memes and infographics
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[jgmac1106] you don't need a killer meme tool...I spent a few months learning css grid, aint hard to get a h1 above an image and h2 below...in fact it has been first website I teach people to build for last six years
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[kevinmarks] Meme all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4vq2sHFk.jpg
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[jgmac1106] Wow worst auto correct ever
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[jgmac1106] How info graphic turned to Google is crazy
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[kevinmarks] Memes as understood on the engagement led media is Cliché chasing. We need to go back to the underlying Dawkins definition of meme before he lost it
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[kevinmarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2001/11/winer-and-locke-are-having-spat-about.html
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[jgmac1106] One of my students in my Grad class wants to do an infographic project and a discussion with [tantek] and Facebook sparked a thread in class
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[jgmac1106] But I think the graphical display of data is possible in html ways without flattening a bunch of images... Can't wrap my head around small displays...maybe just repeat
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[jgmac1106] Of background images and a stacking of elements
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[jgmac1106] I only brought up the infographic as I know in the Google Play Store review of Mozilla Webmaker I make fun of their rating system using your one star compared to a Mozilla employee five star review...
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