#indieweb 2018-08-08

2018-08-08 UTC
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[kevinmarks] heh
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[kevinmarks] SVG is a legit way to make infographics
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[kevinmarks] https://www.w3.org/annotation/diagrams/annotation-architecture.svg
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jgmac1106 agree…and I am partial to just CSS bc I am weird…but the infographic tools that exist…an html first version very possible
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KartikPrabhu HTML memes are harder to copy-paste
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jgmac1106 feature not bug
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KartikPrabhu ok
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[kevinmarks] you can still shitpic SVG memes
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jgmac1106 but yeah…I agree, still when I work with young teeenagers and introduce them to the web, I usually start with Mozilla x-ray and they make a fake news article about them selves…then I go into making meme…its a decent intro pathway into html that reflects their online culture
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jgmac1106 but go and look at every infographic out there, it is a background img, and a bunch of numbers displayed on a grid…a html first infographic tool possible and can be an entry point like fake news and memes onto the web
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jgmac1106 x-ray goggles they are called….usually have them find a local newspaper change headline, image, text..don’t realizie it but learn <h1> <img> <p> tags..then they make meme..and be all like , “Oh Snap” I built a web page
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@dshanske An Indieweb Podcast – Episode 9: 30 Days of Indieweb: https://david.shanske.com/2018/08/07/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-9-30-days-of-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1027040005573763072)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Ooo, today is HWC day :D
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jeremycherfas Is it? I will try to make it if I can, at least for the beginning.
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Zegnat I’ll be trying to be there for as much of the alloted time as possible. So feel free to drop by whenever
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sknebel same here
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@magicroundabout ↩️ @hankchizljaw @jack I quite like the indieweb community over at http://micro.blog but can’t see mass adoption happening. (twitter.com/_/status/1027140805750935552)
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@swentel Sadly enough, no #IndieWeb session at @DrupalEurope - but that gives me more time to finish the Drupal module and Android client ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/1027148186018881536)
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@jgmac1106 100% correct. An important read as I try to apply for grants to bring the #IndieWeb to schools to teach sourcing skills and argumentation. I firmly believe you can not know how truth gets shaped online until you shape your own. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5723-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1027156457958121472)
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dougbeal When is next-hwc
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Zegnat Virtual Europe will start in just over 2 hours, I think
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@DavidWolfpaw ↩️ I don't need to ask why to leave, but I should ask why to stay, as that can help offer suggestions on how to stay connected. For instance, using webmentions to stay connected to conversations via your website. Twitter is the big one on my list to fully switch to #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1027192030890471426)
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sknebel 15 minutes until vHWC, firing up Mumble
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-08-08 2:59pm UTC (#6349)
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Zegnat 15 minutes? Don’t you mean 30?
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sknebel ?
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sknebel oh, true
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jgmac1106 …uggh I forgot I need to reinstall Mumble..in the middle of setting up heroku app…couldn’t get the node.js app spun up on my servers quick enough
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sknebel !cancel 6349
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Loqi Okay, I cancelled it!
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sknebel 33 minutes until vhwc
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-08-08 5:30pm CEST (#6350)
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Loqi vhwc
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2018-08-08 at 4:57pm CEST
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Zegnat (Silent) writing hour in progress at vHWC. Feel free to join us and work on your own IndieWeb project for the day! https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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@cowglow It's time again for the #HomebrewWebsiteClub here in #Nürnberg. Grab your laptop and get to hacking! (twitter.com/_/status/1027223037328982017)
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@SteveStreza ↩️ @murderofcrows I saw in #indieweb a few days ago, I'm planning on going! (twitter.com/_/status/1027230460282204161)
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@andymci Shoutout to @indiewebcamp #indieweb from @jeckman. Smaller communities like this pushing for an open web. They need help bridging the gap w/ non-technical users. #wcpub (twitter.com/_/status/1027236116167045122)
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@ChrisHardie Appreciate @jeckman noting that nostalgic calls to “return to the open web” are sometimes referencing an experience that wasn’t inclusive or diverse. Even movements like @indiewebcamp @decentralweb may appeal mostly to technical tinkerers. #wcpub (twitter.com/_/status/1027237085525237765)
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@miklb ↩️ The #indieweb recognizes that right now it’s still at that stage but is constantly working towards easier and more access https://indieweb.org/generations (twitter.com/_/status/1027238585441890305)
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@jeckman ↩️ Absolutely - to be clear, my mention is entirely positive in terms of these being the right directions to go while *also* working to better communicate ethical values to a broader web audience and make access easier (twitter.com/_/status/1027242927117021184)
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@miklb ↩️ I’d also note there’s a passionate WP community working on these things despite the headwinds from WP core over the years. (twitter.com/_/status/1027243712554967040)
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@murderofcrows https://indieweb.org/events/2018-08-08-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time (https://crw.moe/b/cz) (twitter.com/_/status/1027247410161102849)
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@jackjamieson at Virtual Homebrew Website Club (https://wp.me/pa1ZnJ-8a) (twitter.com/_/status/1027250477430386688)
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Zegnat Why is UI design so hard?
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snarfed because people suck?
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KartikPrabhu everything is hard unless you are an "expert"
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KartikPrabhu don't blame people
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snarfed heh, nuance here will be lost over IRC, probably a better conversation for in person
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snarfed (tldr: by "people" i meant as users, not as developers. me included, i'm horrible :P)
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Zegnat And I am designing for myself, which makes it double horrible ;)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: yes, I meant users too
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KartikPrabhu don't blame users for UX being hard
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snarfed sure. it was a joke, and blame is obviously the wrong framing.
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@voxpelli ↩️ We don’t need yet another monoculture and I disagree that federated social is the given path. Mastodon is doing a good job, but so is eg. the IndieWeb community and the specs they make enables everyone to own their own web presence, rather than an account on a federated instance (twitter.com/_/status/1027260667496210433)
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[kevinmarks] silo-quits << https://a.wholelottanothing.org/2018/08/08/im-done-with-twitter/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://a.wholelottanothing.org/2018/08/08/im-done-with-twitter/" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50733&oldid=50451
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@voxpelli ↩️ Of course Mastodon can be part of an IndieWeb future, but plurality and the possibility of a true indie presence are key to not again arrive with what we have today (twitter.com/_/status/1027261605082537984)
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@voxpelli ↩️ The IndieWeb currently also breaks apart the different areas of responsibility in a way that I so far haven’t seen Mastodon do. In the IndieWeb you can have one application for posting content, one for hosting your content and presenting it to the world, a third to read posts etc (twitter.com/_/status/1027261950647062529)
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dougbeal jgmac1106: You are taking care of the picture for vHWC?
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@voxpelli ↩️ Breaking it apart in such a way has enabled individuals within the IndieWeb community to each on their own, or in smaller groups, become expert within one or a few of those areas and build really excellent tools without having to also consider all the other aspects (twitter.com/_/status/1027262286245888001)
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] already up
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Zegnat It is a great picture!
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ There are even #IndieWeb tools like @pfefferle’s WordPress-Osatus plugin that turns your indieweb site into it’s own federated network https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-ostatus (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5741-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1027263301380698113)
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voxpelli (Hi everyone!)
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Loqi voxpelli: snarfed left you a message on 2017-12-30 at 6:17pm UTC: hi! when you get a chance, mind counting the total number of valid webmention wm.herokuapp.com has received that aren't from bridgy? ie source domain isn't [www.]brid.gy or brid-gy.appspot.com. i'm hoping to roughly pinpoint when we hit 1M total wms. not urgent.
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snarfed hi voxpelli!
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[jgmac1106] hey @voxpelli thx for the heads up on webmentions
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voxpelli Yikes, sorry for not responding in a timely manner to that ping snarfed!
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[jgmac1106] ha ha, I wonder what the longest !tell is
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voxpelli [jgmac1106]: you’re welcome! I’m long overdue with some updates to that endpoint and with that the opening of some new accounts on the hosted instance
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voxpelli Personal life in combination with work life has kept me away from this community for a far too long time :/
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[jgmac1106] yeah trying to see if I can replace the overly complex #OpenBadges spec with two webmentions.
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voxpelli [jgmac1106]: cool! Feel free to open a brainstorm issue about that as well if you wasn’t to figure out how that would work with my endpoint
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[jgmac1106] there is already an open issue, but that was about enabling indielogin and self hosting
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[jgmac1106] I have it working with a manual webmention: https://jgregorymcverry.com/sending-my-first-webmention-badge-openbadges/
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voxpelli Right, yeah, either comment on that or reference it from a new ticket, I’m not so picky, just glad that I get feedback :)
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[jgmac1106] just trying to get https://edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.com to send/recieve
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Loqi EDU 522: Digital Teaching and Learning Too
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[jgmac1106] ....wait if you are gonna play with webmentions and dat....maybe I should just hold off
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[jgmac1106] building an h-card generator in Beaker now
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[jgmac1106] and we will just get [aaronpk] to help you add indielogin to the heroku built
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aaronpk Swapping github auto for indielogin.com should be surprisingly easy since they are almost the same APIs
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tantek__ neat!
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tantek__ good silo-quit article: https://www.wired.com/story/the-sadness-of-deleting-old-tweets/
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tantek__ silo-quits << 2018-08-01 WIRED / Emily Dreyfuss [https://www.wired.com/story/the-sadness-of-deleting-old-tweets/ The Sadness of Deleting Your Old Tweets]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-08-01 WIRED / Emily Dreyfuss [https://www.wired.com/story/the-sadness-of-deleting-old-tweets/ The Sadness of Deleting Your Old Tweets]" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50736&oldid=50733
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Only that you need to go out and get your tix to @IndieWebCamp NYC right now by visiting https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5743-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1027266986173186048)
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@WorkingWriter ↩️ Agree, though I think the bulk of #IndieWeb and #DWebSummit folk point to future rather than past. (twitter.com/_/status/1027267928444547073)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ It’s More Back to the Future. In all seriousness we have long debates about adding “design for diversity and inclusion” as an IndieWeb principle. We set a goal at the Leaders meeting at the Summit that the leaders meeting can’t look the way it did next… http://jgregorymcverry.com/5745-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1027270012493615104)
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@ChrisAldrich An Indieweb Podcast: Episode 9 30 Days of Indieweb https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/08/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-9-30-days-of-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1027270487884353536)
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Zegnat Does Facebook want to be Reddit now? A friend just shared this with me: https://i.imgur.com/QejK5xJ.jpg
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Zegnat Anyone else seen that?
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@WorkingWriter ↩️ @ChrisAldrich is trying to bridge this gap. I'm trying to help in small ways too. Can never have too many volunteers, though. #IndieWeb #techcomm (twitter.com/_/status/1027271372916056064)
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aaronpk silo-quits << https://a.wholelottanothing.org/2018/08/08/im-done-with-twitter/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://a.wholelottanothing.org/2018/08/08/im-done-with-twitter/" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50738&oldid=50736
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aaronpk audience << https://xoxo.zone/@andybaio/100516109185372930
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Loqi ok, I added "https://xoxo.zone/@andybaio/100516109185372930" to the "See Also" section of /audience https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50739&oldid=37478
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Loqi [Andy Baio] Is there any way to post a message SOLELY to your local timeline? That would be pretty cool.
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aaronpk seeing a lot of people leaving twitter today
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eeeeeta oh?
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gRegorLove Zegnat, is that FB app or just mobile web?
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gRegorLove I'm not seeing it currently on desktop or m.facebook.com
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Zegnat I think it is the app
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Zegnat But I don’t see it on mine
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gRegorLove Looks like interaction overloas. A set of emojis and up/downvote? Heh
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gRegorLove *overload
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Zegnat Yeah
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Zegnat They’ve resisted a dislike button for so long, they rather add an extra reddit up and down vote UI to the side, I guess
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@egoexpress Todays #HWC achievement: Finally my dev @withknown setup is running happily in Docker on Windows with PHP7. Yay! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1027292217550032897)
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aaronpk even twitter can't post to facebook anymore! https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/link-twitter-to-facebook
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@cleverdevil ↩️ The service itself isn’t, but it’s built entirely on top of open standards like RSS, JSON Feed, Webmention, Microformats 2, Micropub, and other #IndieWeb tech. It’s the open web as it’s meant to be! (twitter.com/_/status/1027313770861711360)
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@cleverdevil That said, there has never been a better time to join the #IndieWeb and http://Micro.blog has made it easier than ever before. I can’t recommend it enough. (twitter.com/_/status/1027314107295383556)
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aaronpk wow there are services that charge $15/month to delete your tweets
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@ChrisAldrich Reposted a tweet by Detlef Stern _( Twitter)_ > > liest (und hört dann endlich): "Ein IndieWeb Podcast" von @pfefferle über Podcasts von @ChrisAldrich https://notiz.blog/2018/05/26/ein-indieweb-podcast/ >> >> — Detlef Stern (@t73fde) May 26, 2018… https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/26/repost-of-detlef-stern-tweet-about-an-indieweb-podcast/ https://twitter.com/t73fde/status/1000432684160770048 (twitter.com/_/status/1027322448247762945)
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aaronpk interesting take on a silo-quit https://twitter.com/tinysubversions/status/1027325323317104640
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@tinysubversions 100% related to this article that I'm going to try really hard to turn this into a promo-only account from now on. ("promo" meaning "promoting interesting projects or information"). If you want to engage with me as a person, follow me on Mastodon. (1/5) https://twitter.com/tinysubversions/status/1027270383181811713 (twitter.com/_/status/1027325323317104640)
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@jonathanprozzi Here are the notes from tonight's @HWCBaltimore meetup: https://jonathanprozzi.net/indieweb/hwc-2018-08-08-wrap-up/ (twitter.com/_/status/1027334612303921152)
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[jgmac1106] been talking to stefan over on the botwiki slack instance they all need to make bots for the IndieWeb, the channel is huuge
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aaronpk nice! all an indieweb bot really needs to do is publish a feed of posts!
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@jgmac1106 @aparrish I hope you can make it to #IndieWebCamp NYC https://indiweb.org/2018/NYC Let’s free all the bots from the silos so they play in every sandbox. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5754-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1027339445635350534)
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[jgmac1106] yep
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[kevinmarks] Well, more sophisticated bots reply to @'s so they'd need webmention
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[jgmac1106] yeah [aaronpk] give loqi a home so we can send him proper webmentions
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aaronpk https://loqi.me/
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Loqi https://loqi.me/photos/loqi-capy.jpg https://loqi.me/photos/loqi-mustache.jpg https://loqi.me/photos/loqi-pony.jpg https://loqi.me/photos/lo...
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[kevinmarks] [jgmac1106] you got the url wrong
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[kevinmarks] https://indiweb.org/2018/NYC
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[jgmac1106] oooh crap
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[kevinmarks] Register it quick
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[jgmac1106] ha ha,
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @oliviataters https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC will be working on indie bot automation, if you're interested (twitter.com/_/status/1027340689284259843)
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@jgmac1106 @aparrish I hope you can make it to #IndieWebCamp NYC http://bit.ly/2AVdd94 Let’s free all the bots from the silos so they play in every sandbox. (http://bit.ly/2APXgRs) (twitter.com/_/status/1027340839205445632)
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[jgmac1106] ....ooops I forgot "edit" tweet really deletes and resends
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] are you coming or just attending remotely?
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[kevinmarks] Remotely
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[jgmac1106] okay, that is what I thought, the tweet just suprised me
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[kevinmarks] Unless I can find a funding source. I'm gently trying to persuade the CPN project that they really need indieweb
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[kevinmarks] Olivia is a bot, she'll be remote attending too
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @oliviataters Our terms and conditions are usually open source or cc0 at indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1027342083764506629)
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@oliviataters ↩️ @kevinmarks indieweb were helpful. (twitter.com/_/status/1027342212227588102)
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