#indieweb 2018-08-10

2018-08-10 UTC
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[tantek] When I opened the Twitter iOS app:
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@vilhalmer You can get an IndieWeb user's avatar in one line of python: site = 'https://vil.lv'; import bs4, requests, urllib.parse; urllib.parse.urljoin(site, bs4.BeautifulSoup(requests.get(site).content, 'html.parser').select('.h-card .u-photo')[0].attrs['src']) (twitter.com/_/status/1027706637262499840)
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tantek__ hmm it looks like the Slack upload didn't work
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tantek__ I filed a support request at https://help.twitter.com/forms/general?subtopic=suspended
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[jgmac1106] I see your img on slack
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tantek__ interesting. maybe Loqi didn't see it or is no longer uploading?
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dougbeal https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/C03QR2B4R/p1533859338000095
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tantek__ what is "In case you missed"
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "In case you missed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "In case you missed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ In case you missed is an annoying default-on [[notification]] from [[Twitter]] that adds to your [[notifications]] page every time someone you are following posts a tweet. Screenshots needed. See also [[antipatterns]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ In case you missed << Criticism: The only option you are given in the web UI is to choose "See less often". There is no obvious way to turn off such "In case you missed" notifications from the [[notifications]] list page.
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: The only option you are given in the web UI is to choose "See less often". There is no obvious way to turn off such "In case you missed" notifications from the [[notifications]] list page." to a brand new "See Also" section of /In_case_you_missed https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50812&oldid=50811
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tantek__ Twitter << Annoying feature: [[In case you missed]]
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Loqi ok, I added "Annoying feature: [[In case you missed]]" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50813&oldid=50198
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tantek__ antipatterns << [[In case you missed]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[In case you missed]]" to the "See Also" section of /antipatterns https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50814&oldid=50273
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aaronpk Slack images seem to have broken in the gateway, slack must have changed something
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-10.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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@waxpancake ↩️ Like a lot of IndieWeb-related efforts, I applaud the idea behind it, but am skeptical it'll ever find a big, diverse audience. It's generally too complex for non-geeky folks to use with too little value. I care about owning my content and digital preservation—most people don't! (twitter.com/_/status/1027805236755189760)
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jeremycherfas Goodmorning zegnat and the rest of IndieWeb
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petermolnar uhm... had anyone seen repositories on github that you can't star?
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cweiske maybe archived ones?
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cweiske https://github.com/npm/npm/ is archived, but can be starred
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petermolnar it looks active: https://github.com/niieani/bash-oo-framework
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Loqi [niieani] bash-oo-framework: Bash Infinity is a modern boilerplate / framework / standard library for bash
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cweiske i can star it
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petermolnar eh
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petermolnar PEBKAC
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petermolnar firefox stylus styles
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@webrocker ↩️ @foobartel maybe @jkphl and me make a little homebrew website club offdate happening tomorrow here to write stuff about stuff ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/1027846897543913472)
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[jgmac1106] morning all
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Zegnat Hi [jgmac1106] !
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@eay ↩️ I think Andy is right for the near future, but I'm wondering what happens when WordPress is adding support for Webmentions and so on. Suddenly 1/4 of the web will be IndieWeb-compatible. (twitter.com/_/status/1027898798486499328)
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@til_mb ↩️ (cont.) "IndieWeb" = an organised effort to counter the Closed Web, centred around the independent web; *people* rather than algorithms and advertisers. SEE: https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1027908476461301761)
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tantek__ Now that the countdown timer is up, Twitter prompted me with a prompt to verify, and when I clicked "Start", it sent me to a page to add a phone number
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tantek__ " Add a phone number. Enter the phone number that you would like to associate with your Twitter account. We will send you an SMS with a verification code. SMS fees may apply."
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[eddie] lol! They want your number!!
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tantek__ so I'm filing another support request at https://help.twitter.com/forms/general?subtopic=suspended
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[eddie] Have you ever just given them your number?
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tantek__ which I've done before, stating I don't have a phone number, please unlock the account
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tantek__ no
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[eddie] Do you actually have a phone number? If so, I think that would stop these suspensions, as I’ve never been suspended before. If you don’t have a number then I’m not quite sure what to do with Twitter because they seem to really want it
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petermolnar leave twitter?
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[eddie] petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (15 in all channels)
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tantek__ same thing happened last year 2017-129
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tantek__ and no I don't use a cell phone number
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tantek__ haven't since 2014
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tantek__ removed Twitter DM from my contact page since it appears this is not going to be fixed quickly (in less than a day)
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petermolnar tantek__: is it a full lockout? You can't access your archives either?
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petermolnar (not that you need them, it's just out of curiosity)
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tantek__ petermolnar it is a login lockout. when logged in, any profile or tweet permalink I try to access redirects to the "Add a phone number" page.
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tantek__ my profile page and tweet permalinks are still visible to others (or when logged out / private browsing mode)
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tantek__ Looks like I documented this previously with screenshots, but for a new account: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_unlock_your_account
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tantek__ Only thing "new" I did recently was use TweetDeck to add more users (and a new admin) to the @W3CAB account.
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tantek__ the only "different" behavior. so maybe I should avoid Tweetdeck?
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tantek__ going to be offline mostly the next few days - we'll see if they fix it by Monday or not
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skippy hallo.
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tantek__ !tell snarfed when did you notice that my account was locked? Did Bridgy get some sort of error message in some automated action specific to my account? I'm trying to construct a timeline of what I did on/with Twitter in the last week and when they locked my account, I noticed, filed support requests etc. Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ no luck so far with @t. switching to my private @tantek account in the interim.
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snarfed tantek__: bridgy backfeed tells me when important accounts get disabled, yeah. it first noticed yesterday 12:30pm pst. https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1533843077&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyDgsSB1R3aXR0ZXIiAXQM
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Loqi snarfed: tantek__ left you a message 1 hour, 21 minutes ago: when did you notice that my account was locked? Did Bridgy get some sort of error message in some automated action specific to my account? I'm trying to construct a timeline of what I did on/with Twitter in the last week and when they locked my account, I noticed, filed support requests etc. Thanks!
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snarfed ...and its last poll was ~30m earlier, successful, so sometime between 11:55am and 12:31pm pst
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[kevinmarks] I had that with my suspension - I had a dead phone number associated with twitter
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@bltavares I love the #indieweb ideas and protocols, but I just can't give up the simplicity of a static blog (twitter.com/_/status/1027981114261078016)
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@petermolnar ↩️ @bltavares You don't have to: https://deluvi.com/blog/webmention/ https://petermolnar.net/running-a-static-indieweb-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/1027988355424940038)
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@noahzgordon ↩️ have you read up on Webmentions at all? could be a good start for decentralized and de-commodified content sharing. https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1027995741292310528)
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[tantek] petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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@calum_ryan Later this month join us at Homebrew Website Club London (Covent Garden): ⏰22-08-2018 19:00–20:30 Just turn-up, bring a laptop, discuss and help design/develop a healthy, independent web! https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180822 (twitter.com/_/status/1027998815549304832)
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[tantek] [calumryan]++
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Loqi [calumryan] has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (11 in all channels)
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Jacky if anyone notices "IndieMark Scanner" in their access log for their site, it's me
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Jacky testing my project!
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Zegnat Jacky, make it scan https://licit.li/ and I will owe you a beer if we ever meet at an IndieWeb event :D
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Zegnat (Currently returns a 500.)
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aaronpk Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 38 karma in this channel over the last year (141 in all channels)
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Jacky lol damn
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Zegnat I’m trying something new, aaronpk. Positive reinforcement :P
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dougbeal Zegnat: beer rather than karma? ;)
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dougbeal indiebeer.me?
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Jacky it doesn't seem to work with https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F either Zegnat
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sknebel not surprising
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Zegnat tries to look innocent
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Jacky waaait
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Zegnat Did you figure it out? If you did, that might be a new record!
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gRegorLove haha
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Jacky nah lol got distracted with my dogf
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Jacky s/dogf/dog/g
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Zegnat Hahahaha
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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Zegnat jackysdog++
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Loqi jackysdog has 1 karma over the last year
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petermolnar we could use a beer counter; x => y beer++
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petermolnar or x => y chocolate++
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petermolnar Zegnat: I wonder how much undoing it would take to make your site work with IE6
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-10.html
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aaronpk 4 pictures! \o/
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[kevinmarks] silo-quits << https://twitter.com/susanthesquark/status/1027780751293468677?s=19
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@susanthesquark Hello friends! I’ll be taking a twitter break for the rest of 2018 Today I received some especially nasty hate mail, and it was a little too much even for me You can find me on Instagram or contact me using the form on my site Be kind to each other ❤️ See you in January! (twitter.com/_/status/1027780751293468677)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/susanthesquark/status/1027780751293468677?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50820&oldid=50792
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[kevinmarks] What is TSV?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TSV" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TSV is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] What is tsv?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tsv" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tsv is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] TSV is tab separated variables, a way of dumping data that does not rely on rococo nested escaping models like /CSV
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Loqi ok
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[kiai] Hello #indieweb! If any newbies are interested, just wrote an article on how to build a WordPress website on Dreamhost in a day. https://www.kiaikim.com/2018/build-a-wordpress-site-on-dreamhost-in-a-day
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tantek__ kiai++
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Loqi kiai has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-10.html
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@actualham A Provocation for the #OpenPedagogy Community, from ⁦@holden⁩. On self- and institutional hosting, and where we should be building our stuff on the web. #digped #indieweb #OpenPed https://hapgood.us/2018/08/10/a-provocation-for-the-open-pedagogy-community/ (twitter.com/_/status/1028039816125075456)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-10.html https://t.co/3LaQ1dwUgK (twitter.com/_/status/1028042077890699264)
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tantek__ nice pics everyone!
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[cleverdevil] https://twitter.com/jcenters/status/1027951007622475778
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[cleverdevil] lols
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@jcenters Recommending Mastodon as an alternative to Twitter is like suggesting HURD as an iOS alternative. (twitter.com/_/status/1027951007622475778)
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tantek__ what is HURD?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HURD" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "HURD is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk wait why did that tweet show up here
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tantek__ "alternative to Twitter"? 😂
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[iambismark] well actually HURD is an alternative for Darwin/XNU… 🙄
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[cleverdevil] I pasted the tweet in here 😛
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tantek__ this sounds like an indieweb business opportunity: https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/1027857852730429440
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@rhiaro My kingdom for restaurant websites which have a text-only one page version of the menu without so much javascript that google translate can't even parse it and nothing is copypastable. https://rhiaro.co.uk/2018/08/websites (twitter.com/_/status/1027857852730429440)
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[iambismark] javascript? i’m used to most of them menus being a pdf with an image…
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tantek__ [iambismark]: both. home pages that used to be flash have become JS, which somewhere in their depths link to menu PDF
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tantek__ restaruant home pages
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[kevinmarks] I was thinking about that for local restaurants, as here they tend to go with a Facebook page, so I own their foursquare and Google local presence by default
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tantek__ "Google local presence"
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tantek__ what is Google Local
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Loqi Google My Business (formerly Google Places for Business) is a Google program for listing your business information across Google Search, Maps, and Google+ https://indieweb.org/Google_Local
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tantek__ heh
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tantek__ what is a restaurant
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "restaurant" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "restaurant is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] The Chinese restaurant in Stokesley is represented on giggle by a photo I took when I walked in while they were closed
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[kevinmarks] Search for "Chinese restaurant Stokesley" on Google
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@ReBeccaOrg ↩️ Essentially you publish a URL that folks can POST (or the like) to which tells you that they did the equivalent of retweeting you, replying to you or faving you. And as @callahad said, WebMention is the latest iteration... https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1028067345753759744)