#indieweb 2018-08-15

2018-08-15 UTC
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@bradenslen Like: http://Indieweb.xyz: Difficult or Silo?: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/08/like-indieweb-xyz-difficult-or-silo/ (twitter.com/_/status/1029525111441895426)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I noticed some of the cool reading related pieces you had on your website and hoped you might find some of those related pages/tools. If you have questions/problems, feel free to hop into the chat to ask questions or for help of any kind. https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/14/reply-to-matt-mcmanus-on-lost-infrastructure/?replytocom=71104#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1029525972163297282)
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[kevinmarks] A case for indieweb approaches disguised as silo nostalgia? Let's all go back to Tumblr - The Outline https://nzzl.us/zFnbiSJ via @nuzzel
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[chrisaldrich] Having to post on one's own stream to reply to another on Tumblr is rather reminiscent of webmention...
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@t Dense past 2.5 weeks #HomebrewWebsiteClub @MozSF @W3C #CredWeb f2f @Meedan @theSFMarathon half @IndieWebCamp #SF / #DWeb #HackersDay #DWebSummit browsers panel & #indieweb talk #DataTransferProject f2f 16.5mi run @W3CAB f2f @MIT Joshua Tree yoga retreat http://tantek.com/t4vx1 (twitter.com/_/status/1029573805256130561)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (315 in all channels)
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petermolnar this one is for telegraph
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@garrettc I'm very pleased to announce that Oxford #indiewebcamp is officially happening on the 22nd and 23rd of September! Thanks to sponsorship from @haybrookIT and @WhiteOctober. More details here: https://polytechnic.co.uk/blog/2018/08/oxford-indiewebcamp-is-go (twitter.com/_/status/1029680948340830209)
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jgmac1106 [kevinmarks] do you have a link to the html slideshow you use. I can’t find it. Want to assign in class
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jgmac1106 morning Jeremy
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@vincentlistens ↩️ Get on the #indieweb train and do it on your blog like me :-) Or if you prefer a private(paid) service you can share with select individuals. I'd recommend https://shoeboxapp.com (free for fixed size images, paid for full rez and movies). #ownyourcontent (twitter.com/_/status/1029689687064162304)
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Zegnat jgmac1106 you mean the script for slideshow in browser? kevinmarks uses https://revealjs.com/ I think
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jgmac1106 thanks
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@bradenslen In Reply to: http://Indieweb.xyz: Difficult or Silo?: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/08/in-reply-to-indieweb-xyz-difficult-or-silo/ (twitter.com/_/status/1029708413461258241)
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@khurtwilliams The IndieWeb isn’t a free web https://islandinthenet.com/the-indieweb-isnt-a-free-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/1029710592469286913)
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@pearsonified Every non-Leftist who wishes to protect and CONTROL the content they post to Twitter should be: 1. Running an indie POSSE protocol to… 2. Post content from their own site to Twitter. https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1029713225414262785)
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[kevinmarks] That's it, reveal.js also slid.es if you want a gui
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jgmac1106 I am drafting a letter to folks who have purchased NYC tix and trying to get them to login to wiki, which first means making sure they have a rel=me link o some authorization, post their chat-name and optionally work on their page...in terms of homepage revision this workflow should be very self-evident
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[jgmac1106] oops meant for -meta
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@sadlerjw ↩️ Brent Simmons has a great post about it: http://inessential.com/2018/02/01/why_micro_blog_is_not_another_app_net And I wrote about my experience with setting it up with my own site too: https://www.sadlerjw.com/2018/04/17/wrapping-my-head-around-micro-blog-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1029718793910734848)
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@aaronpk On a plane to Boston! ✈️ I'll be giving a talk at @DevConf_us this weekend! If you're in the area I'd love to meet up and talk about all things #oauth #indieweb and more! (twitter.com/_/status/1029727895684411393)
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@ChrisAldrich I had a very short conversation at the IndieWeb Summit 2018 in Portland with @xolotl about the stickers on his laptop. Who knew he was such a subject area expert that @motherboard was using his material? #creativecommons #Webmention #journalism #indieweb https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/15/putting-stickers-on-your-laptop-is-probably-a-bad-security-idea-motherboard-vice/ (twitter.com/_/status/1029745016128692224)
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[kevinmarks] what if the real distributed social network was the friends we made along the way? https://pleroma.site/objects/a1a6aea9-f7d4-4d0c-9f5b-426901e7b891
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Loqi [kaniini] what if the real distributed social network was the friends we made along the way?
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@jgmac1106 So in my #edu522 we are studying connected learning and aaffinity spaces this week anyone in the #indieweb community want to hop on a quick microcast and let me ask you four questions about learning and leading the community? I need to work on a model… http://jgregorymcverry.com/6036-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1029751783080513536)
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[jgmac1106] need a volunteer
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petermolnar you need to tell us the assignment first ;)
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[jgmac1106] get on an audio recording with me let me ask you four questions about how you think learning happens in the IndieWeb community
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[jgmac1106] Will be basd on Hallmarks of Affinity Spaces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_space
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[jgmac1106] here is the assignment for students, I try my best to do the same stuff I make them do: https://edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/modulefour.html
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry] Connected Learning and Affinity Spaces
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@mxbck ↩️ @SaraSoueidan That's awesome. Own your own content! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1029758425654337536)
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] can I send you an email that I want to send out to people when the register for NYC?
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@mxbck ↩️ @SaraSoueidan Maybe this is helpful to you? https://indieweb.org/photo (twitter.com/_/status/1029759337726705665)
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petermolnar I'm probably not the best person for this
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petermolnar you can send it, by my experience in this area is extremely limited
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jgmac1106 pefect candidate then
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jgmac1106 who is petermolnar?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Petermolnar.net
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petermolnar jgmac1106: I need to leave now, but I'll take a look later
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@jgmac1106 Huge thanks to @Reclaimhosting for being first @IndieWebCamp NYC meal sponsor. https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC more importantly eternal gratitude for all the work @jimgroom @timmyboy and crew do for #DoOO  Time to go add them to the wiki. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6038-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1029765919323709442)
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skippy i *thought* I had IRSSI set up to ignore all those kicks, but I'm still seeing them. Anyone know how to suppress those in irssi?
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tantek__ what is IRSSI?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IRSSI" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IRSSI is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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skippy https://irssi.org/
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tantek__ IRSSI is https://irssi.org/ (presumably an [[IRC]] client, perhaps cloud based?)
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Loqi ok
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skippy i dont think it's cloud based. it's terminal based.
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tantek__ skippy feel free to fix dfn! I guessed from the name (sounded cloud like for some reason)
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tantek__ jgmac1106: now that you're organizing an indiewebcamp, probably want to hang out in #indieweb-meta also for planning / organizing related stuff :)
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@jgmac1106 A huge shout out to @Mozilla for sponsoring the Leaders Breakfast at @IndieWebCamp NYC https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC#Sponsors. Does your browser support internet freedom? It should. Time to say #foxyeah to supporting the #IndieWeb (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6040-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1029789338090070016)
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@jgmac1106 I want to thank @scsu for being a Partnership Sponsor of @IndieWebCamp NYC. As a faculty member of a university with a #socialjustice mission I am proud to be at a school fighting for the #IndieWeb  https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC#Sponsors (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6042-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1029790025096069122)
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@megarush1024 Current status: Collecting orphaned webmentions and attaching them to posts, because fuck you Twitter you will not win. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1029809383042174976)
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@mapkyca Oxford IndieWebCamp is go! https://mapkyc.me/2vO2JmN #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1029812433207091206)
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@sukiletxe ↩️ Anda, pues está muy bien. ¿Y cómo va, tiene límites de caracteres o algo? Lo pregunto porque tengo pensado hacer cross-posting, a lo indieweb pero en muy cutre. (twitter.com/_/status/1029820067872219143)
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[metbril] [aaronpk] How about a bookmarklet to do a 1-click subscription to a (indieweb) site to Aperture?
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@metbril Het lijkt dat Instagram is gehackt. Weer een goede reden om weer eens naar het IndieWeb te kijken. (https://instagram-press.com/blog/2018/08/14/issue-affecting-access-to-instagram-accounts/) (https://indieweb.org/photo) #Instagram #hack #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1029837595482775558)
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tantek__ Anyone know any more about that? https://instagram-press.com/blog/2018/08/14/issue-affecting-access-to-instagram-accounts/ sounds bad
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sknebel saw some other reports about that, but no details anywhere.
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[eddie] I am working on adding day summary pages to my site. So I decided to have fun with future dates: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/08/19/ I think it’d like to randomize the text eventually between some different fun blurbs
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Loqi Eddie Hinkle
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gRegorLove Haha, nice [eddie]. Also: https://gregorlove.com/2018/09/
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gRegorLove I need to work on my archive pages. They're still article-centric.
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tantek__ eddie, future day pages can show the events you have posted for those days
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tantek__ Interesting: future silo quit mob? https://twitter.com/monteiro/status/1029816025129209856
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@monteiro Stand with us on Friday. I doesn't have to be permanent. Come back when/if you want. A day. A week. The point is to have them see a dip in engagement. Show them how many of us there are. Also: Do the #BlockParty500 thing!! It’s totally awesome. #DeactiDay https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkqkHVnUUAUSX4D.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1029816025129209856)
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gRegorLove They should consider logging out on the app and site, too. I saw a Twitter engineer tweeting to @jack about their issues with recent decisions and that they were doing that so they wouldn't be one of the "monthly active users"
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[kevinmarks] This is an interesting approach https://info.pleroma.site/federation.html
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gRegorLove https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-engineers-speak-out-jack-dorsey-listens/
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gRegorLove Thread: https://twitter.com/jaredgaut/status/1029170702509719552
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@jaredgaut I’ve been a daily user of @twitter for the last 11 years - long before I started working at Twitter. I won’t be a “monthly active user” during the rest of Q3. I’m deleting the @twitter app from all my devices and signing out of all browsers. @jack, thread 👇 (twitter.com/_/status/1029170702509719552)
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[eddie] gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (96 in all channels)
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[eddie] I love the tardis reference
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[eddie] I was literally just thinking I needed to make a time travel reference in one of them. Haha
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[eddie] tantek: that’s true! Based on my current data model, that will be hard to discover until I get my database indexing up and running
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[eddie] Right now everything is just flat files. But that would be a convo for #dev 😆
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[eddie] Great idea though, I’ll add it for future improvement
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skippy https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1029829205675073536
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@_cingraham Twitter is "experimenting with features that would promote alternative viewpoints in Twitter’s timeline to address misinformation and reduce 'echo chambers.'" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/08/15/jack-dorsey-says-hes-rethinking-core-how-twitter-works/?utm_term=.ad678fc0d621 (twitter.com/_/status/1029829205675073536)
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gRegorLove geez, Twitter.
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skippy technology will solve all our problems! More machine learning! More algorithms! -- someone at Twitter, most likely.
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gRegorLove "It has introduced new machine learning software to monitor account behavior and is suspending over a million problematic accounts a day." wow
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: ^
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/@ifixcoinops/100554998054059903
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tantek__ wow ok that explains it
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Loqi [Dan Fixes Coin-Ops] Thing I like watching the week after Twitter does something stupid:Latest wave of Twitter refugees roll in - some of them are ANGRY about THINGS because on Twitter, ANGER and SNARK makes NUMBERS go UP and makes EXCITING BRAIN CHEMICALS HAPPEN.A few d...
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tantek__ silo-quits << https://twitter.com/monteiro/status/1029816025129209856
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/monteiro/status/1029816025129209856" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50969&oldid=50933
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tantek__ Twitter << Criticism by employee: https://twitter.com/jaredgaut/status/1029170702509719552
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@jaredgaut I’ve been a daily user of @twitter for the last 11 years - long before I started working at Twitter. I won’t be a “monthly active user” during the rest of Q3. I’m deleting the @twitter app from all my devices and signing out of all browsers. @jack, thread 👇 (twitter.com/_/status/1029170702509719552)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism by employee: https://twitter.com/jaredgaut/status/1029170702509719552" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50970&oldid=50835
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tantek__ interesting indeed [kevinmarks]
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tantek__ what is a remote content policy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "remote content policy" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "remote content policy is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ remote content policy is a form of [[disclosure]] by a site about how it may treat content received ([[federated]]) from other sites, like how it may by default treat messages from other sites with URLs, from new remote accounts, with images or video, and/or from known abusive sites. Example: https://info.pleroma.site/federation.html See Also: [[disclosure]]
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ disclosure << remote content policy
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Loqi ok, I added "[[remote content policy]]" to the "See Also" section of /disclosure https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50972&oldid=47855
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tantek__ Twitter << 2018-08-09 WIRED: [https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-engineers-speak-out-jack-dorsey-listens/ When Twitter Engineers Speak Out, @Jack Listens] <blockquote>… highly skilled employees within organizations have the chance to be powerful advocates for change …</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-08-09 WIRED: [https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-engineers-speak-out-jack-dorsey-listens/ When Twitter Engineers Speak Out, @Jack Listens] <blockquote>… highly skilled employees within organizations have the chance to be powerful advocates for change …</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50973&oldid=50970
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tantek__ Twitter << 2018-08-15 WaPo: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/08/15/jack-dorsey-says-hes-rethinking-core-how-twitter-works/ Jack Dorsey says he’s rethinking the core of how Twitter works] <blockquote>…introduced new machine learning software to monitor account behavior and is suspending over a million problematic accounts a day…</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-08-15 WaPo: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/08/15/jack-dorsey-says-hes-rethinking-core-how-twitter-works/ Jack Dorsey says he’s rethinking the core of how Twitter works] <blockquote>…introduced new machine learning software to monitor account behavior and is suspending over a million problematic accounts a day…</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50975&oldid=50973
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aaronpk [metbril] good idea!
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aaronpk may I humbly request that the repeated "what is" and wiki edits with the double < go in -meta? example: the full page of edits in this scrollback just now
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sknebel or chat if it's not busy. they are in the wiki logs, no need to be in chat log too
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aaronpk 👍