#indieweb 2018-08-18

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@Draomin https://indieweb.org/POSSE#How_To_Implement (twitter.com/_/status/1030609561630068737)
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@Draomin ↩️ @NoahJMedeiros @MaxBlumenthal @Cernovich @caitoz https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030610722911219712)
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@Draomin https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030611395920838656)
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@Draomin https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030611669041303552)
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@Draomin Because freedom of speech is worth defending no matter what the person is saying don't you realize that? Read much? Graduated from High School???? Freedom of speech is for everyone not just white people - https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030612059866652673)
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@Draomin https://indieweb.org/POSSE https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/17/obama-merkel-blame-social-media-for-bein (twitter.com/_/status/1030612219485028352)
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jalcine D: D:
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@Draomin https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030612797686566913)
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jalcine this person is just throwing that link onto their tweets
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dougbeal !block draomin
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Loqi Okay, I blocked "draomin" from all IndieWeb Twitter searches
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@FrontPeoples ↩️ Good question. There is only consensus against CorpCensorship but not yet about the best strategy to respond with. Promoting a DECENTRALISED Internet is a necessity. https://indieweb.orgaPOSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030646712556113920)
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@FrontPeoples ↩️ Excellent and accurate characterisation, I commend your leadership. May I recommend this info on creating a DECENTRALISED Internet. https://indieweb.orgaPOSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1030647460220133376)
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@HongPong ↩️ content silos are the matrix farms and like, mastodon + pleroma + gnusocial + the new video and image services, is not a silo https://indieweb.org/silo (twitter.com/_/status/1030656373955145730)
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tantek__ wow some pretty big Twitter quits today
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eli_oat ooooh, who who *weirdly eager*
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tantek__ eli_oat: @fraying was a pretty big one
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tantek__ silo-quits << 2018-08-17 Twitter quit: longtime user Derek Powazek deleted his primary account https://twitter.com/fraying though his private placeholder https://twitter.com/powazek still seems to be up (and says to check @fraying)
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-08-17 Twitter quit: longtime user Derek Powazek deleted his primary account https://twitter.com/fraying though his private placeholder https://twitter.com/powazek still seems to be up (and says to check @fraying)" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51090&oldid=51075
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electronicmaji whiteeeeee boiii
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MetBril aaronpk: I read this https://getgrav.org/blog/oauth2-and-ldap-login-plugins and am curious if IndieAuth could be added as a provider?
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MetBril !tell aaronpk I read this https://getgrav.org/blog/oauth2-and-ldap-login-plugins and am curious if IndieAuth could be added as a provider?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@acegiak ↩️ @TheSacredIsle @realjamesbarton I wish @indiewebcamp were more accessible and picked widely adopted. (twitter.com/_/status/1030703516468166656)
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@TheSacredIsle ↩️ @acegiak @realjamesbarton @indiewebcamp Not sure what it is, but I will check it out. (twitter.com/_/status/1030708869834649601)
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@ohhelloana Are there any twitter mutuals thinking of going to IndieWebCamp Oxford? (twitter.com/_/status/1030725886436421633)
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tasse6 LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/100568811381660276
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Loqi [Eugen] To put into perspective what is happening, here is 6 month of history of the processing required to run mastodon.social: https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/005/531/666/original/a4f844557fe2392a.png
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acegiak hey team, hows things?
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Loqi acegiak: tantek left you a message on 2017-03-30 at 1:23am UTC: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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acegiak wow, I... havent been in here for a while it seems :P
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MetBril Snarfed: comments from a brid.gy insta
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MetBril Snarfed: comments from an insta post are coming through from brid,gy, but not the likes. Is this standard practice?
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[metbril] [snarfed] comments from an insta post are coming through from brid,gy, but not the likes. Is this standard practice?
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[kevinmarks] Hi acegiak, welcome back
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acegiak howdy!
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acegiak all the twitter hubbub and I was like "i should look at how I do things again"
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acegiak rn I'm moving the whisperfollow feed page to the WP admin backend
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[jgmac1106] hello [acegiak]
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[jgmac1106] who is acegiak?
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Loqi Acegiak is a web and game developer from Adelaide, South Australia https://indieweb.org/User:Acegiak.net
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sknebel welcome back acegiak!
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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[jgmac1106] Morning Sven
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[jgmac1106] [acegiak] whisperflow looks cool [jackjamieson] is doing soe neat stuff trying to build a native microsub reader in WordPress
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acegiak ooooh!
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[jgmac1106] and in other WordPress news [pfefferle] released a new plugin called mf2 stream which should make more themes compatible out of the box
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acegiak oh awesome! That's super neat because that's a thing that I think we've been needing
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[jgmac1106] for the technical explanation head to WordPress but in gaming news @zegnat is trying to figure out how to set up RPG by webmention
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[jgmac1106] and I am (today actually) trying to fork the rules to this: https://www.twittervszombies.com/ for IndieWebvsZombies
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acegiak oh neat! I've done some twitter based RPGs in the past
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acegiak Mostly freeform
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acegiak and this: https://magicspacegirl.itch.io/lonely-engines
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acegiak I'm interested in using indieweb as the infrastructure for stuff
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[jgmac1106] yeah I thought about doing just webmentions, but seems exclusionary, so @sknebel idea was to have install the WebSub/PubSubHubbub plugin so feed readers can be notified
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acegiak i mean, yeah. that works
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[jgmac1106] ...though I am thinking about adding a "webmention brigade" component with some bonuses or multipliers...to I guess gamify onboarding
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jgmac1106 but now I just want to play lonely engines
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acegiak you can join in lonely engines any time you want
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acegiak I don't understand why TvZ doesn't have an automatic scoreboard component.
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jgmac1106 bc it was built and designed by non technical teachers
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jgmac1106 I am gonna join lonely engine and share it with the #ds106 crowd
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jgmac1106 if we keep diving deep ionto the weeds on games we should proably head to the #chat channel
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jgmac1106 but I am thinking of post just being tagged bite or human, I will post a draft set of rules later
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GWG Acegiak!!
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acegiak heya!
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GWG Missed seeing you around
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acegiak I've been a busy girl
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GWG I understand, still wanted to mention it
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acegiak it's nice to feel missed
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GWG Does it help in bringing you back more often?
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acegiak Maybe? It's definitely nice to know I'm welcome here.
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GWG Why wouldn't you be?
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acegiak it's easy to forget people like you
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jgmac1106 yep the smart folks behind the scene pulling all the levers trying to keep IndieWeb WordPress afloat
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GWG I still remember the first time I messed up your website
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GWG And now we have a WordPress room
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rhiaro Anyone going to https://mydata2018.org/ in Helsinki at the end of this month?
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rhiaro (it's very expensive for some reason, but volunteers can get in free)
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GWG rhiaro: Long time no speak.
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GWG I guess it is the week for old timers coming around.
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rhiaro o/
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acegiak o/
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[kevinmarks] That is pricy
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rhiaro yeeeap. So I'm not attending the conference, but will be in town, since I'm currently a cheap ferry ride away. I was gonna go to Helsinki for a couple of days anyway, might as well do it while there are a bunch of data nerds in town
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[kevinmarks] It's kinda relevant to my brief at catapult, but not sure they'd wear it if Im not speaking. I'll look for a cfp next time
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] morning @zegnat
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GWG Morning?
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GWG I'm kidding, not opening up that can of worms
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Loqi happy day
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GWG Although I get a lot of "Hello, sir! Good morning!!" In a score of cheery voices around here
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Zegnat What is UGT?
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Loqi Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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GWG No one has yet offered to send me a webmention since I got here.
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Zegnat You need to be webmention’d?
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GWG Zegnat: I meant a local
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GWG There is no HWC here I know of
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GWG Aside from the HWC of one.
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Zegnat Ah
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[chrisaldrich] GWG I'll do you one better and webmention you using micropub if you like....
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GWG I meant trying to find like minded locals
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[chrisaldrich] lei:Hawai'i::webmention:IndieWeb?? 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] What is IndieSplain?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieSplain" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieSplain is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] hmmm... I'll just leave this here then... https://twitter.com/acegiak/status/1030264889409826816
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@acegiak Yes, Twitter as a platform is bad and getting worse, but I cannot afford to migrate away from a system where I've built a community and audience I love in favour of other platforms where that's actively harder to do. Marginalised folks can't afford to "just rebuild" (twitter.com/_/status/1030264889409826816)
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acegiak chrisaldrich, that tweet has broken my twitter notifications
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acegiak what I AM doing, is working on my twitter/indieweb integration
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acegiak pulling my twitter feed straight from the api in WhisperFollow now just to make it smoother
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Zegnat I think the way reactions to that tweet are saying how Mastodon is going great for marginalised communities, without pointing at instances where I might find these communities, are an interesting sign of the problem.
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Zegnat If you move to Mastodon today, how are you going to connect with the network there, if nobody is pointing you at it?
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acegiak yup definitely
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acegiak also SO MANY replies saying "it's not the platform that's bad, it's the people"
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acegiak no fam, it's the platform
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acegiak on the plus side, I have WF pulling tweets and displaying them nicely! *does a little dance*
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[chrisaldrich] I always feel like my twitter notifications break with even 30 reactions... I can't imagine something at your scale acegiak.
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GWG acegiak, you should check out Microsub. It is the future for reading. And this is the year of the reader.
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Zegnat When you pull in tweets, are they then chronological, acegiak?
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acegiak I'll push to github tomorrow when I fix my hard coded tokens
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acegiak yeah, the API gives you chronological tweets
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acegiak GWG: I plan to add microsub to WF
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acegiak just need to get my head around how to auth it
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GWG acegiak, use the IndieAuth plugin.
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GWG It implements all of that.
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acegiak *grumpy face*
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acegiak y'all treat auth stuff like it's so easy, but it's really hard for me
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acegiak even if I have the indie auth plugin I still need to integrate the flow into my code
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[chrisaldrich] lol... I think it's hard for everyone
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[chrisaldrich] If you hadn't seen it yet acegiak, there's https://github.com/jackjamieson2/yarns-microsub-server
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Loqi [jackjamieson2] yarns-microsub-server: Early stages of a microsub server plugin for WordPress. Currently in development and not yet stable, so please do not use yet.
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GWG acegiak, I spent months learning it
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acegiak I have the same problem with stuff like pubsubhubub subscription requests and all that. All of these back and forth flows between servers are actually really difficult to deal with for someone from my kind of code background (duct tape and google)
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acegiak chris: I saw!
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GWG I sat in a room with aaronpk, then wrote, got reviewed, bought his book...
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acegiak I have a nice setup with WF that I find easy to fiddle with at the moment so my plan is to add microsub compatiblity rather than restructuring my whole thing
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GWG I was only suggesting you draw on it for inspiration
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acegiak fair
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Zegnat “treat auth stuff like it's so easy” - *apologises profusely*
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GWG It is conceptually easy, it is hard to implement because of security concerns
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GWG That's why I wanted so much peer review. I didn't want to open a hole.
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[chrisaldrich] I remember that hole... 🙂
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GWG We found one later despite that.
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[chrisaldrich] testing++
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Loqi testing has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (13 in all channels)
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@carbontwelve ↩️ @acegiak @TheSacredIsle @realjamesbarton @indiewebcamp Me to. It looks like a noble project. (twitter.com/_/status/1030870634161733633)
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@simonw Yeah the indieweb community have been thinking about this for a while - it seems like this should be their moment to shine, I'm not sure why Mastodon is getting all the attention (at least in the Twitter circles I follow) (twitter.com/_/status/1030872890843885569)
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wagle you guys see this? https://lwn.net/Articles/762601/
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@tommorris ↩️ @simonw http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1030892575857811456)
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@dreid I see the IndieWeb is at it again. (twitter.com/_/status/1030892679452708864)
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[kevinmarks] That says subscription required @wagle - can you summarise?
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wagle oh/oww
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wagle sorry
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wagle they used to have short synopses for non-subscribers.. guess not.. its talking about https://datatransferproject.dev/
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wagle [kevinmarks]: ^^^
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wagle https://lwn.net/Articles/762601/rss might work, prolly now
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wagle https://lwn.net/Articles/762601/rss might work, prolly not
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[kevinmarks] I need to have another look at datatransfer
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Zegnat RSS link also requires a subscription
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wagle oh well, sorry..
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@LawJeremy ↩️ @jkolez @indiewebcamp has a bunch of info and tools for owning your content (twitter.com/_/status/1030909153965821952)
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[kevinmarks] How do I get loqi to remind me about that article on the 23rd?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Loqi#Countdown
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Loqi aaronpk: MetBril left you a message 14 hours, 24 minutes ago: I read this https://getgrav.org/blog/oauth2-and-ldap-login-plugins and am curious if IndieAuth could be added as a provider?
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aaronpk metbril: is that for logging in to your own getgrav instance or something?
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[kevinmarks] 5 days until we can read https://lwn.net/Articles/762601/
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-08-23 9:12pm BST (#6357)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1030865818739863554?s=19
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@simonw How about if, instead of ditching Twitter for Mastodon, we all start blogging and subscribing to each other's Atom feeds again instead? The original distributed social network could still work pretty well if we actually start using it (twitter.com/_/status/1030865818739863554)
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[kevinmarks] The difference between the atom and the h-feed is interesting
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[kevinmarks] The atoms has crappy titles, the h-feed is clearer, but the boost as h-cite is a bit subtle
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@dcutting ↩️ @nicklockwood http://Micro.blog? Indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/1030928260614574080)
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@kickscondor Why is anyone upset with Facebook or Twitter? The keepers of the Web are all of us—the individuals. We built it. And still can. Does no one feel a pang of remorse at abandoning their blogs and home pages? And of not showing the newbs where to safely migrate? (Indieweb, for one.) (twitter.com/_/status/1030943878986313729)
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@kickscondor ↩️ I adopted the Indieweb about two months ago - I can comment on other blogs, tweet, like, reblog and so on - all from my blog. It's fantastic. But it was a ton of (hand-coded) work to set up. (twitter.com/_/status/1030949005918842880)
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@kevinmarks “The furore over Fake News is really about the seizures caused by overactivity in these synapses - confabulation and hallucination in the global brain of mutual media.” - me on Mastodon's difference from Twitter http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1030952456849633280)
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[kevinmarks] Mastodon << http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51098&oldid=51084
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Loqi Mastodon, Twitter and publics 2017-04-24
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@xolotl pinging the #indieweb @t @aaronpk @jgmac1106 @ChrisAldrich (twitter.com/_/status/1030957895028891649)
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@singpolyma @chrismessina I mean, this is what http://indieweb.org is about, surely! #indieweb #diso (http://sngpl.ma/t4w10) (twitter.com/_/status/1030961411948732418)
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@megarush1024 ↩️ @A11YForAll Yes, I get the indieweb stuff. All of it. That covers a pretty wide swath of ground. (twitter.com/_/status/1030966224862306310)
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