#indieweb 2018-08-19

2018-08-19 UTC
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@kevinmarks Pearl-clutching twitter users: but what if the hobbyist sysadmin gives up on my mastodon instance? Me: have you met venture funded social sites? http://Indieweb.org/site_deaths (twitter.com/_/status/1030973533902565376)
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aaronpk [kevinmarks] next time use silo.rip :-D
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[tantek] Lol yes
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@kevinmarks ↩️ So, these are both solved in the underlying protocols. Migration of followers is there in websub, with tests and everything https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/98 The separation of fetching of feeds and display ui is addressed in microsub: https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1030979397719941120)
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@dshanske ↩️ People continued working on it. Everything you need using W3C standards like Webmention, Microformats2…give it a try? https://IndieWeb.org/WordPress/Plugins (https://david.shanske.com/2018/08/18/2048/) (twitter.com/_/status/1030980083446673411)
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[tantek] GWG++ nice!
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Loqi GWG has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (149 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks] nice shortcut
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Chris could do it quickly, but for those who'd like to leave Twitter for #WordPress with similar functionality, I recorded a 2 hour video for an #IndieWeb set up. If you can do the 5 minute install, hopefully most of the rest is downhill [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/18/a-reply-to-david-shanske-regarding-implementation-of-the-diso-project/ (twitter.com/_/status/1031039370831118337)
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@megarush1024 ↩️ Replies are aggregated. That’s the point of indieweb. Post on your own site, syndicate elsewhere, bring back replies. And yes, with microblog they just work. Twitter, however, is a pain. (twitter.com/_/status/1031040140288946176)
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tantek__ !rt https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/1031039370831118337
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[chrisaldrich] !rt https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/1031039370831118337
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Loqi Thanks [chrisaldrich] and tantek__! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1031044775221157888
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[chrisaldrich] Could the old band get back together? https://www.monkinetic.blog/is-diso-back.html
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@JamieTanna ↩️ @ericflo @simonw Interestingly even https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub doesn't mention anyone! (twitter.com/_/status/1031087035589832704)
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@shevski ↩️ @simonw I'm sure @t and the @indiewebcamp folks will welcome you with open arms and last I saw had some very nice tooling for this (twitter.com/_/status/1031102295696715777)
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@vsenderov There seems to be a lot of unfounded hate towards RDF on the #indieweb wiki http://indieweb.org/rdf (twitter.com/_/status/1031107077924630529)
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@vincentlistens ↩️ #indieweb support to your blog combined with things like Indie Reader. It’s still quite techie to be mainstream yet though. https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader (twitter.com/_/status/1031109889970642944)
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Zegnat The things you sometimes learn randomly: RSS 3.0 stopped being XML based.
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[kevinmarks] That was a parody
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[kevinmarks] RSS was at 0.92 or so, and the RDF fans did an iteration, made it RDF, and called it 1.0
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[kevinmarks] Dave Winer didn't like the RDF version, so did a few changes from 0.92 and called it 2.0
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[kevinmarks] Aaron Swartz then parodied Winer's post and made up RSS 3.0 as plaintext (which is ironically closer to json feed)
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Zegnat Oh, I know. I had just never seen aaronsw’s RSS 3.0 reply to the whole thing ;)
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Zegnat Very close to YAMLFeed
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[kevinmarks] Feedparser has 3.0 support, because Mark Pilgrim knows how to overdo a joke
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sknebel clearly YAMLfeed needs an update to be compatible with RSS 3.0 then
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sknebel or a backcompat mode
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Zegnat RSS 3.0 uses an empty line as item separator, it seems. I don’t think we can make that work with YAML parsers
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Zegnat I was actually looking into the RSS spec to see if it had link-elements that could be used to advertise webmention endpoints.
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Zegnat Didn’t mean to unleash RSS 3.0 on the world again :P
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@rMdes_ ↩️ @simonw Yes! + #indieweb for some reclaiming of likes/favs/reply in the open internet :)) (twitter.com/_/status/1031160617724534784)
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@finalcut ↩️ I use http://withknown.com but self hosted. Supports all sorts of post types, likes, sharing is easy. Comments. Integrates with Twitter, Instagram, Facebook etc. Might be worth looking into. #indieweb #withknown (twitter.com/_/status/1031178415968342016)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "State of the Plerd, 2018" http://fogknife.com/2018-08-19-state-of-the-plerd-2018.html
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tantek__ what is plerd
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Plerd
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tantek__ wow: https://twitter.com/Akimdanial6/status/1029907666452152321
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@Akimdanial6 RIP @tweetbot ☹️ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dkr3j4iVsAAz4R7.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1029907666452152321)
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tantek__ what is Tweetbot
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tweetbot" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Tweetbot is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ Tweetbot was a popular [[Twitter]] client which suffered from critically reduced functionality on 2018-08-16 due to Twitter disabling parts of their public [[API]]. https://twitter.com/tweetbot
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ Tweetbot << https://twitter.com/Akimdanial6/status/1029907666452152321
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/Akimdanial6/status/1029907666452152321" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Tweetbot https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51115&oldid=51114
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tantek__ !tell rhiaro interesting - I heard about https://mydata2018.org/ at the Data Transfer Project meeting that I participated in a couple of weeks ago! Looks cool but unfortunately not going. Can you make it to IWC Berlin November 3-4? https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jmac I don't know if I agree that Tweetbot is a "was". It's had to follow Twitter's lead in disabling features, but it's still a piece of commercial software under active development, right?
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tantek__ jmac, I suppose I'm projecting to the near future, expecting "was" to be true in the short term, and not wanting to have to remember to update the wiki page. If you think there's a chance they'll pull out of their inevitable demise, feel free to update it to "is" :)
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jmac ✅
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[cleverdevil] Honestly, I haven't noticed much of a degradation in my daily experience with Tweetbot.
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[cleverdevil] I must not be using many of the now crippled features.
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[cleverdevil] The only thing I marginally miss is push notifications for mentions and DMs, but that's fine.
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tantek__ cleverdeveil - that's worth updating /Tweetbot about
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tantek__ [cleverdevil]:
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tantek__ since you're an actual user of it!
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tantek__ (and I was just documenting 3rd hand info)
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jmac I miss the Activity tab like a phantom limb
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jmac but i still use it
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[cleverdevil] Done-zo.
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[eddie] cleverdevil++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (72 in all channels)
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[eddie] I agree, none of the twitter features that have been lost were things I used
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[eddie] except push mentions
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[kevinmarks] https://pleroma.site/objects/745e1568-f826-48ff-bd43-a7d60151273e
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Loqi [kaniini] the fediverse has many multi-tenant softwares out there: Mastodon, Pleroma, GNU Social, PixelFed, etc. these are *great* software for their usecase. but the multi-tenancy trades some level of intimacy for allowing multiple users on the instance. b...
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Zegnat Single tenant vs multiple has always been a bit of a struggle in Known too. At least from anything I have seen on the support side. One of the first questions is always whether you are a multi user installation or just a single user's website
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tantek__ why does it need to ask you? why not presume single user until you go to create an account? no need to ask up front
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat when I use the multiuser themes it is a great private network
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Zegnat tantek__ during support. E.g. when people ask questions about enabling indieauto with known.
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Zegnat The CMS itself doesn't struggle. It just rolls either of the options you pick.
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tantek__ the asking / need to pick an option is the struggle
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Zegnat That I agree with. I would have to search around, but I am positive I remember people accidentally ending up with multiuser installs for just themselves.
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tantek__ right, default single user
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat it is one toggle question that converts a Known site
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[jgmac1106] And yes single is default
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tantek__ I think with WP plugins it's more complicated
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Zegnat Doesn't mean people haven't gone wrong, sadly, [jgmac1106]. But I was just throwing in another example of different cases with different amount of tenants in response to the status [kevinmarks] shared above.
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[kevinmarks] I want to encourage kaniini to come chat in dev here as he builds his new thing
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aaronpk i will invite him
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tantek__ wait isn't that a spam phrase?
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[kevinmarks] https://pleroma.site/objects/304cb9b1-72bc-4916-93de-94cd9d6bd2fa
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Loqi [kaniini] oh. by the way, i should mention the other fediverse thingy i'm cooking up, that isn't pleroma. i don't have a name for it yet, but it's basically a self-hosted blogging platform with tumblr features. it will support both activitypub and indieweb ...
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aaronpk hahahaha tantek__
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Loqi nice
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[kevinmarks] https://pleroma.site/objects/33c6d8f1-7e79-4bca-b487-fac1ef49a712
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Loqi [kaniini] for the tumblr thing, i am thinking that the user can configure a "webfinger username" + selected domain. this allows compatibility with mastodon (pleroma itself doesn't give a shit about webfinger), e.g. @kaniini@kaniini.dereferenced.org or simil...
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[kevinmarks] https://pleroma.site/objects/745e1568-f826-48ff-bd43-a7d60151273e
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Loqi [kaniini] the fediverse has many multi-tenant softwares out there: Mastodon, Pleroma, GNU Social, PixelFed, etc. these are *great* software for their usecase. but the multi-tenancy trades some level of intimacy for allowing multiple users on the instance. b...
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[kevinmarks] OK, that's probably enough quoting
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rhiaro tantek__: iwc Berlin noted. I will be in transit from Latvia to Poland, but no concrete plans yet. Not impossible
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek__ left you a message 3 hours, 19 minutes ago: interesting - I heard about https://mydata2018.org/ at the Data Transfer Project meeting that I participated in a couple of weeks ago! Looks cool but unfortunately not going. Can you make it to IWC Berlin November 3-4? https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin
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rhiaro Sliiightly out of the way, but I've made stupider detours this year
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tantek__ rhiaro: great to hear it's a possibility!
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rhiaro if you could just shunt it a few hours east to Warsaw though that would be ideal :p
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[kevinmarks] This is an interesting mapping - twitter @'s rewritten mastodon style https://mamot.fr/@doctorow/100578614833303922
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Loqi [doctorow] RT @bhudgeons@twitter.com: @sulka@twitter.com @doctorow@twitter.com @muskrat_john@twitter.com @jacoh55@twitter.com @PulpLibrarian@twitter.com My son’s 8th grade school supplies. It is 2018.🐦🔗: https://twitter.com/bhudgeons/status/103126480041... https://mamot.fr/system/media_attachments/files/001/752/567/original/644789699edaa2a5.jpeg
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@jgmac1106 @cleardevil asking @photomatt about WordPress and #IndieWeb (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6183-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1031275448825729024)
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KartikPrabhu so many @s
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tantek__ !tell steveivy do you have access to the diso-project site and can you fix the "thought piece" link here to point to the where that post moved to? https://diso-project.org/2010/02/the-future-of-diso
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ diso << https://github.com/diso/diso
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/diso/diso" to the "See Also" section of /DiSo_Project https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51143&oldid=51108
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Loqi [diso] diso: [INACTIVE] archive of diso plugins and libraries
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