tantek__willnorris: aside: with the recent resurgence in DiSo discussions, would love to have your help in incorporating some of the DiSo "invention" and "conception" moments into /timeline
tantek__there were a lot of "indieweb-like" ideas that came out of DiSo and I want to document their origins as such, it's an important part of our pre-FedSocialWebSummit history (which was 2010 July)
willnorrisNot closely. I put some outside companies in touch with the dtp as needed, so I know who to talk to. But I haven't been involved with the project
tantek__I went to a DTP meeting a G in SF ~2 weeks ago, interesting stuff, and seemed like mostly new folks, having very little knowledge of work 10 years ago +
tantek__e.g. there was a lot of "since there's no standard for xyz..." ... "um, did you try RFC NNN like vABC?" ... "no, never heard of it" ... "even MS Outlook supports it" ... "oh really. wow."
@mattl↩️ Don’t make more silos. Don’t make silos that are worse. StatusNet aka GNU social were silos but @evanpro is okay. http://Libre.fm is okay but I have @robmyers but I don’t want any silos.
Don’t make clones of Twitter or Facebook. Use RSS. Use Atom. Use IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/1031419634258456576)
[metbril][aaronpk] Yes, that would be to login to my own instance (bypassing the built-in auth). BTW, just testing Grav, it currently has too many itches.
ZegnatTwitter << 2018-08-20: [http://www.bigmouthstrikesagain.com/2018/08/locked-out/ Locked Out]: “Messing with the year of birth in my profile page. This, apparently, is a really bad thing and I can’t currently read anything on Twitter or see other people’s messages to me.”
@mrshll1001↩️ Also the post dialogue explicitly asks you if you want to syndicate a copy elsewhere, so Public posts aren't always tweeted/tooted/etc, just available via the site/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1031521989155074048)
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LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb stack" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb stack is ____", a sentence describing the term)
[tantek]Aaronpk, spec. Is only part of it, the new specs we’ve had to develop for IndieWeb. We don’t develop all the building blocks (which would be NIH). We re-use a lot from existing good work
@marcoarmentTwitter-like clone services won’t replace Twitter. “Like Twitter, but worse, and nobody’s on it” is not a compelling sales pitch. The only way to marginalize Twitter is to direct our attention and publish our content to completely different types of platforms, like blogs. (twitter.com/_/status/1031319660401184769)
Loqi[snarfed] current tentative plan: do all scraping with a login cookie from a throwaway account. IG does already rate limit our scraping, but i believe that's automatic, not us specifically. i expect bridgy is still small enough (5k users, <1k instagram) that I...
[eddie]tantek: Do you have the ability to unblock someone, [eso] is still in slack, so if we unblock the user in IRC, the slack/irc bridge should probably re-connect
[chrisaldrich][Khurt] I don't think that Manton has ruled out open sourcing micro.blog yet, though I also don't think I've heard him speak about it publicly, so that may not be out of the realm.
[chrisaldrich]I do know that benwerd has mentioned in the past that he wished he'd made WithKnown closed source to start instead of making it open from the beginning. Perhaps things would have been different?
[eddie]The key is Micro.blog doesn’t need to be open sourced. It pulls in posts from feeds and the content hosting is just based on Jekyll (which can be exported using GitHub and loaded onto your own server)
[chrisaldrich]The other difference between Tumblr and micro.blog is that manton is both aware and actively building a product to be as IndieWeb friendly/compatible and as easy as he possibly can.
[Khurt][eddie] how is that different that what other platforms (WordPress, Tumblr) do in terms of export your content? I’m not putting down micro.blog, I’m just trying to understand why some think it’s special.
[Khurt][chrisaldrich] micro.blog pulls in my post “Title + link” but I wish it had Twitter style summary cards or could pull in the WordPress post excerpts.
[chrisaldrich]I'm curious if it _was_ open sourced, how many people would move from their current solution to building directly in micro.blog as a CMS?
[chrisaldrich][Khurt] for me, it's special because it's one of the first IndieWeb-based companies. It's blazing a trail to allow the masses to own their own domain and their content, but still be able to interact on a first class basis with all other indieweb sites.
[Khurt][chrisaldrich] that would certainly make IndieWeb plugins on WordPress useless. Questions: if Automattic was to add Webmentions to JetPack would that make a different.
[chrisaldrich][Khurt] I think it would be far more powerful (and likely) that WordPress would add webmention as a core feature across the board if/when they made the decision to do it.
[chrisaldrich]Medium.com certainly has more "silo" aspects than WordPress.com... one of the key differences being that you can't map your own domain onto their service anymore.
[chrisaldrich]Tantek, did you ever experiment with using Tumblr as your primary identity in the past? I remember you talking about others having done so relatively easily.
LoqiTumblr is a popular content hosting silo, especially for found images & video, that explicitly supports multiple types of posts, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indieweb.org/Tumblr
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "micropub reactions and responses" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "micropub reactions and responses is ____", a sentence describing the term)
LoqiA reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/reader
[chrisaldrich][Khurt] Imagine a feed reader that would allow you to respond to posts within it, but your responses get logged to your own website which then automatically sends webmentions.
[chrisaldrich]There's a simple WordPress plugin for Aperture that will give you an endpoint that should let you log into Together, Indigenous, or Monocle.
[chrisaldrich]You'll also want the micropub plugin up and running to get the most out of it. Some in the WordPress space have had trouble getting them working yet though as there are some small bugs to get ironed out as they all need to dovetail.
[Khurt][aaronpk] I downloaded Indigenous, logged in with my domain. The app indicated that I needed to setup a micropub endpoint so I installed Aperture plugin in WordPress. Then I realized I needed an Aperture account. Perhaps I should have started there.
[chrisaldrich]If you look at the source of your homepage it will include a link like this: `<link rel="microsub" href="https://aperture.p3k.io/microsub/##">`
[chrisaldrich]I'll also note that for some reason Aperture didn't recognize my domain as having been previously registered and gave me user #99 when I'd previously been #16. Is that an indieauth or micropub related issue?
[chrisaldrich]then you're definitely set up with an account and that link is what the reader clients will be looking for on your site to dovetail with them.
Loqipin13 is a collection of tools that aid in IndieWeb-friendly web development, including microformats parsing, character counting, JSON prettifying, and number converting https://indieweb.org/pin13
[eddie]Hmmm yeah, it seems like the code isn’t displaying properly. I’m looking at the raw html source to see if it’s not there or if there’s just an issue with how it’s being parsed