#indieweb 2018-08-21

2018-08-21 UTC
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[kevinmarks] That is the redirect thing we found last week - they should hopefully be one now
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aaronpk chrisaldrich: if you need me to fix/combine your accounts let me know
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@leitmarvin Die halbe Indieweb-Unterstützung. (twitter.com/_/status/1031698148345950208)
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, let it slide for the moment (or at least until the bug fixes propagate so it doesn't happen again.) Might also be useful to have two for testing...
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snarfed oh interesting, micro.blog has book permalinks that redirect to amazon etc, like tantek's isbn short urls. eg https://micro.blog/books/9780521120265
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: i'm not sure you actually can get back to the other one now
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aaronpk assuming there was a fix for the indieauth plugin for that
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[manton] [snarfed] Yeah, I was thinking we might have custom book pages later, although I'm not sure what they'll look like yet. Amazon seems like a good default in the meantime.
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[tantek] Same thinking I had for my ISBN & ASIN urls, and for asin.cc
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electronicmaji agile sounds like some dumb ass bullshit
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[kevinmarks] do we need "I hack on the indieweb stack" t-shirts? https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/1031527845405892609
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@evanpro @mattl @robmyers That said, I think that #ActivityPub servers should definitely support the IndieWeb stack. (twitter.com/_/status/1031527845405892609)
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@Christo37433424 A new home on the #Internet: sounds cozy #IndieWeb #newtech #TuesdayMotivation #ChangeTheWorld (twitter.com/_/status/1031823326459641856)
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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[Khurt] good morning @sknebel
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GWG Hello, [Khurt]
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[Khurt] Hello @GWG
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GWG How goes the Indieweb fight?
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[jgmac1106] Morning all, off to the office. Good luck all
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[Khurt] At home again today. Wife and older child convinced me to take a day off to hang at the beach but it’s all grey skies and intermittent rain today.
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@jgmac1106 Interesting research on come problem solving. In many ways successful open source projects like #IndieWeb reflect these findings (https://jgregorymcverry.com/6201-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1031869064363343872)
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@jgmac1106 Using Google Sheets as a CMS database. #IndieWeb (https://jgregorymcverry.com/6203-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1031870639219662848)
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bradenslen good morning
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Loqi good morning!
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@Christo37433424 Want to ask those who have more experience with #IndieWeb than I do Bridgy says #Google+ does not support IndieWeb. However, #wordpressplugins give this option. Whom should I trust? #question #WordPress #experts (twitter.com/_/status/1031891088305532928)
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skippy ahoy hoy IndieWeb
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@keithjgrant Want to get started with webmentions and the indieweb? Check out my talk The Decentralized Social Web: https://www.recallact.com/presentation/decentralized-social-web Slides at https://keithjgrant.com/talks/decentralized-web (twitter.com/_/status/1031893910388400133)
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sknebel hi
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[Khurt] [kevinmarks] Any microformats you find are generated by microformats2 WordPress plugin. [eddie] cache was deleted in between updates. Indigenous (eventually) found the microsub endpoint.
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[eddie] Hmm strange why it took so long for the changes to come through, but yay! Glad to see it working now!
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Loqi 😄
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[Khurt] [eddie] not quite working: https://islandinthenet.com/aperture/
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[Khurt] Off to the beach,
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[eddie] Have a good time at the beach, I’ll take a read
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Zegnat Hmm, I seem to remember someone mentioned how Mastodon was a problem because you trust the instance admin with your private messages? Implying those are safer stored bybig corporations... Now I read this: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/twitch-glitch-exposed-some-users-private-messages/
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sknebel implying random Mastodon admins or developers don't make mistakes causing leaks?
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Zegnat No. I am merly implying that maybe it doesn’t really matter who stores your private messages. If they are truly private, don’t let anyone but yourself store them.
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sknebel the argument wasn't "Twitter is secure", but "Mastodon has a risk angle Twitter doesn't/is less likely to have"
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sknebel agreed on "use platform DMs to communicate details for safer channels, not for critical messages"
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sknebel although experience shows that that's additional friction that will be avoided in X % of cases
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Zegnat Yep. Sadly.
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@voxpelli ↩️ It will probably only end like http://app.net if it like http://app.net doesn’t hook into a wider decentralized social web and interacts with other parts, like the IndieWeb parts. Moving away from Twitter has to be an iterative approach, because network effects (twitter.com/_/status/1031915180987428865)
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@Bjorn_W Hi @simonw remember blogmesh? my friend @roytanck behind blogmesh made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvAjJR-eEOA to show how to re-blog. This proof-of-concept uses WordPress. It's super easy to re-create the social aspects of walled garden social media with RSS & #WordPress #Openweb #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1031916614516727809)
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@calum_ryan HWC London tomorrow! 19:00-20:30 Attendance info & RSVP: https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180822#intro Wiki: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-08-22-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/1031928606958800901)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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aaronpk good morning!
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[schmarty] what is blogmesh?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blogmesh" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "blogmesh is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[iambismark] Someone just needs to build a hybrid mastadon+matrix app :)
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gmax Morning! Wanted to get your feedback on another take on un-siloing your data, and not trusting either bigcos or admins: http://cweb-services.com/ tl;dr: move app logic to client while augmenting network from pure packet transport to transport+storage via existing storage services (like S3), and end-to-end encryption of course.
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snarfed gmax: ambitious! and very different from indieweb.
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snarfed unrelated: blogmesh looks like an interesting approach to unifying posting and reading, tantek style: https://blogmesh.org/introduction/ , particularly step 3
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Loqi A quick introduction to Blogmesh
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Zegnat Doesn’t sound very much web. Maybe I am misunderstanding it, but doesn’t look like I can publish on it?
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Zegnat cweb that is, blogmesh does look interesting.
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snarfed "When you’re connected to other bloggers, your homepage becomes a timeline of everybody’s posts. In our example, you’ll see your friends’ posts mixed in with your own. But only when you’re logged in. Much like on Twitter, your timeline is only available to you when you’re logged in. Other visitors will still simply see your blog."
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snarfed confusing though. you and others type your site's url, but you see something very different from them
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snarfed vs silos where their home page is always your feed, and profile URLs are always profiles
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gmax snarfed, Zegnat: cweb is more of a underlying protocol than a specific application, the coincidence of "web" in the name as in IndieWeb is not intentional
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Zegnat gmax, I understood that. But I don’t see world-wide-publishing as an option. So makes it hard to unsilo, when by most silos (in indieweb context) we are talking about places where people publish things (e.g. Twitter)
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snarfed gmax: try the decentralized web people? they may be more interested
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gmax Zegnat, snarfed: yep, world-wide-publishing is still wip, thanks!
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Zegnat Cool, then it wasn’t just me reading passed it! Don’t take that to mean that it isn’t interesting as a concept, but I think #indieweb is a little biased in favour of actual public world wide web ;)
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@jgmac1106 @marcoarment wow offering the rel=payment in Overcast is such a cool idea! I think you folks should sponsor a meal or meet up at @IndieWebCamp NYC https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6205-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1031965309857660928)
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 just FYI Overcast is just one person, Marco. So there’s probably no folks 😉 Just him
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 wow, good for him, I love the ad distribution model he uses
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@egoexpress @cowglow No Homebrew Website Club tomorrow? (twitter.com/_/status/1031971152510570499)
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jgmac1106 …but I have little shame when searching for sponsorship…actually pretty much in general
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[eddie] Oh, i have no issues with you asking for sponsorship 🙂
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[eddie] Just helping you know your target potential sponsor better as you reach out 😄
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pfrazee waves
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[manton] [jgmac1106] I would love to visit NYC even briefly for IndieWebCamp, but probably can't make it. Hope to be able to lurk remotely. Best of luck with the planning!
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[manton] [cleverdevil] If you haven't seen this, nice write-up about using Indiepaper with Micro.blog in Cult of Mac: https://www.cultofmac.com/571587/indiepaper-read-later-service/
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[cleverdevil] Oh cool 🙂
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[cleverdevil] I hadn't seen it.
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[cleverdevil] That's really a great article!
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@cleverdevil Thanks to @CultOfMac for their article on using Indiepaper with http://Micro.blog! #indieweb #ownyourdata https://twitter.com/cultofmac/status/1031994389915152384 (twitter.com/_/status/1032009074228047873)
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[kevinmarks] https://dev.to/quii/the-web-i-want-43o
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "👓 Can We Ever Reset the Field? | Smokey Ardisson" https://www.ardisson.org/afkar/2018/08/20/can-we-ever-reset-the-field/ (from https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/21/can-we-ever-reset-the-field-smokey-ardisson/)
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[Khurt] [manton] I work in NYC and I may not be at IndieWeCamp NYC either. It’s too much of a commute (almost 2.5 hours on the weekend train).
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GWG You work there and we never have a meetup?
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Zegnat Open-source micro.blog client for iOS: https://github.com/hartlco/Icro - anyone know if it does general micropub?
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Loqi [hartlco] Icro: Icro, a third-party micro.blog client.
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[eddie] I think it does Micropub but not IndieAuth
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[eddie] I should finish pulling my IndieAuth swift code into a library so I can donate it to Icro
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Loqi yea
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