#indieweb 2018-08-23

2018-08-23 UTC
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tantek__ [iambismark] and me here at HWC SF
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tantek__ we're discussing should notifications go into a microsub channel
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tantek__ e.g. homepage mentions
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tantek__ invitations to events
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tantek__ I got my @tantek twitter account unlocked, and the support message was much more apologetic / unassuming of guilt.
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tantek__ took ~48 hours
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tantek__ from support request to unlocking. just FYI
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Source is here: https://github.com/indieweb/verify-me - ideally it wouldn't use a server to fetch the remote sites I suppose (twitter.com/_/status/1032544485333495808)
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@growdigital @IndiegoHugo starter kit for @GoHugoIO is nearly a Progressive Web App, putting finishing touches to feature branch. #IndieWeb for the performance win. https://pwa.indiego.org.uk/ (twitter.com/_/status/1032548533436592128)
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Zegnat !tell [kiai] I wish I had the shelve space to accept free books. I have a couple on leadership already, and the dating angle seems interesting.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek__ left you a message 12 hours, 23 minutes ago: perhaps we should organize some "request all my data" sessions at IWC NUR & BER to walk people through requesting their data from various silos
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Zegnat !tell tantek__ interesting session idea! I wonder if there will be any GDPR-experienced people at the IWC that could lead that.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremych- Didn't @dgold say he might be at Nürnberg?
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Zegnat Don’t recall, but would be nice. Would love to meet him!
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Zegnat Alright. I should be caught up on all the conversations I missed when IRC went wonky :)
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Zegnat Also sadly shows that spam is still getting into the public logs :(
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Zegnat jeremych-, will you be at IWC Nürnberg?
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Zegnat I don’t recall if you decided
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jeremych- Yes, I will. Flights booked. Gotta collect that beer.
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Zegnat Hmm. Another reason to work on IndieDating? https://twitter.com/bvdhai/status/1031327009564225536
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@bvdhai I am about to tell you an epic tale about subterfuge, dating in the 21st century and the fall of human civilization. This actually happened to me and it could happen to you too. Get some popcorn. *Thread* (twitter.com/_/status/1031327009564225536)
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savoir-faire12 | ___
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@alexcio_ Made some changes on my website at the #Homebrewwebsiteclub yesterday You have some ideas for improvements? https://alex-cio.de (twitter.com/_/status/1032588848797310977)
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Cbcj Yyvv
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jeremych- !tell alexcio Love the dustbin logo.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Here is my next idea #CheckOutMyDomain: http://jgregorymcverry.com/checkoutmydomain-lets-put-libraries-at-center-of-local-web/
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @wiobyrne I expanded on the #CheckOutMyDomain idea to make libraries the drivers of the #IndieWeb: https://jgregorymcverry.com/checkoutmydomain-lets-put-libraries-at-center-of-local-web/ #ctcasl #nhv #ctedu #literacies #edtechchat (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6243-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1032616417055649793)
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TReK18 /)))))))))
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skippy anyone fiddled with write.as? hosted, but looks neat.
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MetBril aaronpk: are you in?
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MetBril I try to delete a webmention from your site, but the 410 is ignored. It is handled as a 404.
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[metbril] [aaronpk] I try to delete a webmention from your site, but the 410 is ignored. It is handled as a 404. TBH, the first time i tried, it actually a 404, but then I installed a WP-plugin to change that to 410. But that's not respected (by webmention.io?)
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petermolnar re rsvp topic from ~ a week ago: I used to be part of a community website eons ago; one of it's rather unparalleled feature was an event list with the option to comment on the events - even after the event. The possibility of an online place to talk to the people you met at the event was incredibly strong, and I desperately miss this aspect all of the current social media - none of the has a feature to cover this.
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petermolnar I really wonder if it's possible to come up with some sort of indieweb implementation to it; the question is mainly how the "source of truth" list of events would be present on the internet - if it's distributed, say each even is on the venue's or the organiser's site, there is no community glue to find the previous or upcoming ones. Maybe the problem is deeper, and the question comes down to how to implement indie hashtags - or any ki
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petermolnar nd of similar glue - across indie websites)?
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[metbril] skippy: no indieauth and microsub, so not really indieweb?
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skippy micropub is a feature they plan to work on.
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[metbril] petermolnar: isn't this already covered by a reply to the event page instead of an rsvp?
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skippy https://github.com/writeas/Write.as
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Loqi [writeas] Write.as: A focused writing space for your words.
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petermolnar [metbril]: uhm... I wasn't talking about rsvp/reply, but about community experience
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Zegnat I feel like MetaFilter IRL still has a good shot at what you are describing, petermolnar. https://irl.metafilter.com/
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sknebel [metbril]: it's not really helpful to exclude good things just because they don't speak our (relatively niche) protocol language (yet)
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petermolnar [metbril]: https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb - just because there is no microsub or indieauth, there are many things that are still indieweb
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petermolnar Zegnat: irl.metafilter.com smells like a silo, looks like a silo, feels like a silo... is it a silo? :)
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Zegnat petermolnar, it is a community site :P No APIs, so in that sense, definitely a silo
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[scottgruber] Are their any instructions, codes, tips or tricks to setting up a Homebrew club? I’d like to establish one at UCLA, if there isn’t one already.
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Zegnat I think we have a page for that
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Zegnat Mostly it is just: have a place, have people, advertise it, include it on the wiki: https://indieweb.org/HWC#Planning_Questions
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[metbril] skebnel: I agree I took a short turn here. It promises POSSE/PESOS. My initial gut feeling is, that if you step in, it will feel like a lock-in or semi-silo. But maybe I'm wrong?
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aaronpk [metbril]: yeah i'm not sure i ever implemented receiving webmention deletes
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[metbril] Apparently not 😉
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[metbril] Do you mean on your personal site or the webmention.io service?
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aaronpk both
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[metbril] Never mind. I did a test recently and pick your most recent post and was cleaning up things. My comment is gone locally, but not remotely.
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[scottgruber] Thanks Zegnet for both of your helps. Much appreciated.
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[metbril] zagnat / petermolnar meetup silo has an api ... https://www.meetup.com/nl-NL/meetup_api/
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Zegnat [scottgruber], more than happy to help! So are the other people here, so don’t hesitate to ask follow up questions
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Zegnat [metbril], I am not sure anyone here has ever spoken about positive experiences with MeetUp though :P
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[metbril] Well, I'm not with you long enough to have noticed 😛
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sknebel meetup is unavoidable in some places for event promotion
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sknebel it's okay, although it felt relatively expensive
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[metbril] What is Eventbrite
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Loqi Eventbrite is an event hosting silo that can be used for free and paid events https://indieweb.org/Eventbrite
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[metbril] What is Meetup
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Loqi Meetup.com is an event silo for creating and/or finding small gatherings in your local community who share your interests, sometimes used by some Homebrew Website Club cities to organize local HWC meetups, acquired in 2017 by WeWork https://indieweb.org/Meetup
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sknebel there were two new-ish event sites/aggregators
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sknebel http://colloq.io and I forgot the second one
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sknebel aaronpk probably remembers? I remember some talk about it being open source and trying to contribute?
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aaronpk calagator.org? upcoming.org?
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aaronpk calagator isn't new
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sknebel although it seems colloq doesn't have a discussion feature either
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Zegnat There was also talk of getting an indieweb hosted calagator instance. But people have been busy.
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aaronpk i like the idea of the event page being able to receive webmentions
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[metbril] Would webmentions support threaded discussions?
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sknebel sure
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[metbril] Since a reply to a reply is not to the original event page?
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aaronpk what is salmention
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Loqi Salmention is a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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[metbril] What is reply-chain
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Loqi A reply chain (AKA reply thread) is a list of replies, and replies to those replies, displayed under the original post https://indieweb.org/reply-chain
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snarfed 23andme is shutting down their API for everyone except a few biz dev partners. email this morning: https://snarfed.org/23andme_api.png
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snarfed only 2w notice!
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snarfed haven't found any news about it yet
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snarfed unrelated: interesting wm display design of jeremycherfas's to show likes both in a facepile and separately below as individual text lines: https://www.eatthispodcast.com/our-daily-bread-22/#comment-93405
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snarfed jeremycherfas was that deliberate on your part? or just independent publisher and the webmention/semantic-linkbacks both thinking they own the display?
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KartikPrabhu weird since the mf2 markup is repeated twice too so it is a bit misleading
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snarfed aww https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://www.eatthispodcast.com/our-daily-bread-22/ 500s :( cc aaronpk
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aaronpk wat
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snarfed no you wat
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aaronpk wow there's a bad bug in the php parser
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KartikPrabhu he! mf2py does fine https://python.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eatthispodcast.com%2Four-daily-bread-22&parser=html5lib ;)
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Sourdough by Any Name Our Daily Bread 22
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snarfed sad, the text webmentions (i assume from independent publisher) have incomplete mf2, so they only get text name, not u-url, so they can't be deduped with the plugins' wms
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KartikPrabhu > *-dev ?
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[pfefferle] Robert the Webmention plugin for Wordpress does already support threaded comments
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Weird Indieweb Idea of the Day: Guestbooks" http://v.hierofalco.net/2018/08/23/weird-indieweb-idea-of-the-day-guestbooks/ (from https://www.kickscondor.com/2018/08/23/weird-indieweb-idea-of-the-day-guestbooks/)
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@kickscondor Weird Indieweb Idea of the Day: Guestbooks: https://www.kickscondor.com/2018/08/23/weird-indieweb-idea-of-the-day-guestbooks/ (twitter.com/_/status/1032708335861198849)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Microformats are still going; they got rethought to not require each parser to have specific vocabularies included http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 and are used for #Indieweb now https://indieweb.org/microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1032716586883395585)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "How I send webmentions to Micro.blog" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/08/23/11/article/
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Loqi we can read https://lwn.net/Articles/762601/
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Loqi Countdown set by [kevinmarks] on 2018-08-18 at 9:12pm BST
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jeremycherfas !tell snarfed Not a deliberate choice, but at some point I gave up tinkering.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel lol
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sknebel aaronpk: can we maybe have Loqi trust known usernames, or is that too risky?
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jeremycherfas Oh dear. Looks like I am going to have to go in and tinker. But not until September.
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aaronpk I don't think that's too risky, just a bit tricky :)
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Zegnat Thankfully the message made it to the logs :P
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aaronpk I was really hoping the spam would go away by now so I don't have to keep going down this rabbit hole of fighting it
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@goldstein ↩️ @bryanrieger It’s a shame indeed. Curious to hear what you think about IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/1032754607808761857)
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[cleverdevil] waves
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[cleverdevil] Afternoon, IndieWeb 🙂
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[tantek] ^^^ that twitter thread has misconceptions. Guess that’s sorta meta
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gRegorLove o/ [cleverdevil]
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@miklb Just came across this **5 year old post** from Pippin about using `the_title_attribute` instead of `the_title` and wondering why twentysixteen is using `the_title`. This very issue has tripped up the IndieWeb community trying to add mf2. https://pippinsplugins.com/use-the_title-and-the_title_attribute-correctly/ (twitter.com/_/status/1032774949272997888)
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