#indieweb 2018-10-03

2018-10-03 UTC
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tantek__ what type of storage are people using these days for long term not-cloud photo archives?
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tantek__ (use-cases: offloading photos from ipod/phone/laptop so they don't get full, archiving for retrieval years later etc.)
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donpdonp ssd in a usb enclosure. not sure how long-term that is but its nice to have the data in-house.
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tantek__ USB sticks? external SSDs? SD cards? Some combination?
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donpdonp a plain ol' 2.5" SSD drive in a case, connected to a raspberry pi via usb.
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tantek__ yeah I'm kinda thinking SSD in a USB enclosure for a "big" archive, and then one of the others for easy to store offsite partitioned-by-year (or month?) archives
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GWG I have a NAS
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tantek__ donpdonp that sounds good. and then rotate it (to a new one) every 5 years or so.
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tantek__ and use the old one as one of several timemachine rotations
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Ruxton I have an unRaid server wth many terabytes, backed up to backblaze
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tantek__ anyone have experience with the longevity of USB sticks vs SD cards that are used to write once (and never delete)?
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Ruxton I wouldn't use either for long term storage, i've lost too many of both
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tantek__ like do you have to read them every once in a while to "refresh" them? or do they just stay readable for years?
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tantek__ I've only had them go bad after LOTS of repeated write / delete / overwrite etc. use
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Ruxton not lost like disappeared, lost like they just stopped working one day
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tantek__ interesting
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[jgmac1106] agree, I trust Google more than my hard drives in many ways
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Ruxton where as I've put metal platter hdd's in the cupboard for over 15 years and they still work
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: yes cloud-storage is complementary, however this is why I specifically asked about local non-cloud storage
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[jgmac1106] but honestly my wife trust nothing so all important photos get printed, haven't had a printed photo fail to load onc
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Ruxton [jgmac1106]: i've had them fade and get damaged ;)
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tantek__ Ruxton that is a good point. metal platter HDDs are also the oldest / most well-understood of all those technologies
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[jgmac1106] I know and I screw up my local non cloud storage so much, hard drives fail, lose power corrds, don't have a zip driver anymore
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tantek__ decades ago I did have stiction problems with a few of them that were unused for long periods of time
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GWG I backup things in multiple places
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[jgmac1106] my first digital camera took 3.5 inch floppies
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I remember those
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Ruxton [jgmac1106]: the sony?
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[jgmac1106] I think so, or a Kodak, was expensive, and I left it on a Greyhound bus after a festival
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Ruxton ouch
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[jgmac1106] my brother worked at a place that delivered jc penny merch, it "fell" into my hands, Karma got me back
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Ruxton oh i had one of those :( I acquired a mini disc player for a way too good price.. I left it on a seat in a park at 3am one night a few months later.
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aaronpk i have a regular HDD which is the canonical/working copy, and I back that up to my local RAID server (with HDDs) and that gets backed up to backblaze
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aaronpk speaking of which, i need to copy the photos from NYC
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dougbeal I wonder if the NaNoWriMo site supports webmentions
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar !tell tantek__ long term photo archive: local home server synced to remote, offsite server, all backud up on blu-ray; I made a lot of research on the topic, apparently blu-rays are mineral material (similar to mdisc) so their longetivity looks promising. Anything electron driven (usb, sd card, ssd) will start loosing charge when left on a shelf for ~5 years. Alternatively, there's always tape drives, but then the drive itself becomes a
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar problem factor.
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petermolnar !tell tantek__ HDD is a decent solution, however, if the aren't spun up for a very long time (5 years level) they could introduce mechanical issues, though this is rare
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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nicesignal help channel
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[jgmac1106] wow [Rose] I love your website!
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[Rose] Thanks! I want to change the design a bit, but I quite like it too :)
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[jgmac1106] I think it has a nice clean design, no hard edges, good line wieghts
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jacky is still up
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jacky but Gregor[m] that's a big anchor I hear a lot when I ask about about moving off facebook
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[Rose] That's because it's based on a template someone else made 😋
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[jgmac1106] !tell jacky to go to bed
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jacky might be a worthy itch
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky o.O
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jacky the only thing that's marginally close is http://gettogether.community/
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jacky I'm working on a patch to their auth options to allow IndieAuth sign in
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jacky and then work to add more microformats for event pages (example: https://gettogether.community/events/249/dweb-sf-meet-up-not-hosted-by-bamf/)
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Gregor[m] thanks jacky!
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jacky ooh so a shared calendar
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jacky definitely
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Gregor[m] I dunno
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jacky the endpoint looks like it'll emit quite a bit of information! https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/event/
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jacky Gregor[m]: got me curious about this
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jacky I don't know/think bridgy would be able to backfeed info like this
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jacky possibly RSVPs yeah
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jacky but a unified indieweb + facebook (and maybe even eventbrite + meetup) interface is interesting
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Gregor[m] Matrix.org for events it is then!
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Gregor[m] Uh interesting, haven't read about bridgy before
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[jgmac1106] We stay away from eventbrite due to ToS that gives them rights to all event media for perpituity
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[jgmac1106] Known has a decent event making interface you could probably copy
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[jgmac1106] We do post all InieWeb events on facebook, well someone with a facebook account does
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sknebel friendly reminder that today has a vHWC in approx 4 hours: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-10-03-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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Zegnat adds himself on the event
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jeremycherfas thanks sknebel for the reminder
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[Rose] I should add myself, though I don't know if I'll make it :)
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Loqi yea!
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[jgmac1106] 2-facotr auth is awesome...till your phone breaks....and people only ask for cell number.....
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Zegnat Make sure the 2FA app you use lets you make backups. I made that mistake once...
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[Rose] And this is why I use Authy. It syncs between devices.
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[jgmac1106] anyone have a link to Demitri's demo where he basically owned his repos?
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Zegnat Link to the video, not off hand. Link to the site, sure, literaly just his own personal site: https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/
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Zegnat See “Packages” for the list of repos
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106]: he went on a pretty deep dive about his system in the notifications breakout
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[jgmac1106] it is pretty amazing, having friends trying to do somethign similar but using gdocs, dropbox, etc for file storage, wanted to share UI
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petermolnar keepassxc can store 2fa
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petermolnar besides being a password storage
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petermolnar although I know it goes against 2fa itself
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Zegnat I specifically haven’t stored 2FA in 1Password because I want it to be a second factor
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Zegnat What is 2FA?
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Loqi multi-factor authentication (commonly two-factor authentication, abbreviated 2FA or TFA) is an authentication process that requires at least a second component to a standard authentication method https://indieweb.org/2FA
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Zegnat Wonder if we should list some apps
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Zegnat 2FA << [https://github.com/andOTP/andOTP andOTP] is an open-source TOTP and HOTP application for [[Android]] that allows for encrypted backups of your key data.
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/andOTP/andOTP andOTP] is an open-source TOTP and HOTP application for [[Android]] that allows for encrypted backups of your key data." to the "See Also" section of /multi-factor_authentication https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52453&oldid=51282
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Loqi [andOTP] andOTP: Open source two-factor authentication for Android
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Zegnat There’s the one I have been using :)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/10/03/11/lobsters
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Zegnat vHWC https://indieweb.org/next-hwc#Virtual_European_Time is going :) 4 people currently in, join up and talk about what you’ve been up to!
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[jgmac1106] I have my UTC converrsion off, stupid daily light savings time, and the candy industry who pushed it after Halloween
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[jgmac1106] or I am just bad at math
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tantek__ lobsters++
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Loqi lobsters has 1 karma over the last year
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[jgmac1106] what is lobsters?
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Loqi Lobsters is an open source, technology-focused link-aggregation site similar to Hacker News https://indieweb.org/Lobsters
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[Rose] I'd ask what crabs are, but I'm either going to be disappointed or confused 😛
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tantek__ just checked cra(.)bs and got ERROR
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sknebel what's .bs? bahamas?
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tantek__ yes
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tantek__ OTOH car.bs looks like something serious!
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tantek__ is resisting the temptation to look for more .bs domains
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[jgmac1106] ...wait nobody registered total.bs yet?
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[jgmac1106] almost worht $500 that I don't have
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tantek__ wait does anyone have a .bs TLD?
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tantek__ what is .bs
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for ".bs" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say ".bs is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ what are short domains
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Loqi short domains are commonly used on the IndieWeb for personal URL shortening, or clever domain hacks https://indieweb.org/short-domains
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[kiai] Hello indieweb
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[kiai] For those of you in the SF Bay area, Internet Archive's annual bash is tonight: https://blog.archive.org/2018/09/20/lets-celebrate-building-a-better-web/
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[kiai] Funny thing about finding that link is that running a Google search, it was second after last year's event.
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tantek___ [kiai]: we also have HWC tonight
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tantek___ easier to get to in the SF Bay area :)
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[kiai] Yikes!
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[kiai] Aw, can you guys come out after? Only 5 miles away. 😊
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[jgmac1106] oooh I think I figured out a quick way to do checkins without Swarm. I just add shortcuts to url's I would use often like my house https://nuestracasa.glitch.me, work, places I visit, etx
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Loqi McVerry's House
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[jgmac1106] now I just need to get a phone...just so close to Pixel 3....have to steal Nexus 5X back from my son I think