#indieweb 2018-10-04
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] posted a reply but interested in hearing why you don't think webmentions take care of your read post, or possibly having fragmentions nested ina read post. Is that a thing?
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] for me, part of it is about discovery and serendipity. How do we uncover that more directly? Webmentions can help, but I don't see anything doing this type of functionality.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: AngeloGladding left you a message 1 day, 21 hours ago: https://indieweb.org/File:boffosocko.com_summer2018_rel-me_graph.png
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# [chrisaldrich] AngeloGladding++ for that graph. Though with 190+ rel-mes I hotly have expected more lines...
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] maybe I'm not following you though. How could I accomplish the same thing on a New York Times article, for example, that had thousands of Webmentions?
# [chrisaldrich] What uncovers my personal social graph there for direct conversation versus spending the time reading everyone's comments?
# [jgmac1106] this was my idea of adding a counter to webmentions
# [jgmac1106] your personal social graph would be in your reader, could there be someway to make a nuzzel like experience? so you can say only display read post from people I am following?
# [jgmac1106] for all the facepiles in wordpress
# [jgmac1106] it would be neat, not sure how to accomplish this, but must be someway to get at if I mark this site as "read" show me everyone else I follow who has read this
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# [jgmac1106] @gwg just trying to think of interesting ways to kind of show my network, rather than getting the same people over and over again
# [chrisaldrich] Microsub may not have enough data to do that in the long term.
# [jgmac1106] getting devy andd want to leave channel open for HWC
# [chrisaldrich] Jacky, you could potentially poll the page for those webmention links and filter based on who you're following. Shouldn't be too hard unless you're looking for watches on the super bowl or works cup in real time.
# [chrisaldrich] Does anyone have an indieweb version of Nuzzle sketched out? Perhaps aaronpk or snarfed?
# [chrisaldrich] s/works/world
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AngeloGladding what is a payment
# Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site https://indieweb.org/payment
# AngeloGladding what is bitcoin
# Loqi bitcoin is something that does not actually exist, what does exist is a 2-bits coin, AKA a quarter, worth 25¢ https://indieweb.org/bitcoin
# [jgmac1106] trying to remove some of the built in snark on the wiki but some stuff is fun as well
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Nuzzle" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Nuzzle is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove I thought we had a nuzzle page
# gRegorLove what is Nuzzel
# Loqi Nuzzel is a service with an app that surfaces articles based upon how many of your friends like those articles https://indieweb.org/Nuzzel
# gRegorLove Same thing? ^
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# [jgmac1106] I always said it would be easy to add a reader to Nuzzle simply by also using the urls in peoples profiles of Twitter, they could even be polled outsaide of Twitter and then compared to how many times links from those sources were shared
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j12t Notes from a New York session: https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/undo
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tantek__ sidenote: I also fixed /scheduled posts to work properly in my Atom feed (before they were just showing up right away - oops)
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# coderobemw i was doing 4Mbits using SWO
# coderobemw what is the why?
# Loqi "You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix
Whatever the reason, you're done with sharecropping your content, your identity, and your self.
Our online content and identities are becoming more important and sometimes even critical to our lives. Neither are secure in the hands of random ephemeral startups or big silos. We should be the holders of our online presence https://indieweb.org/why
# j12t Yep, you can order them here: https://indiecomputing.com/
# tantek__ his post on microblogging: https://esham.io/2018/10/microblogging
# tantek__ photos and notes go to https://esham.io/micro
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Microblogging – Benjamin Esham" https://esham.io/2018/10/microblogging (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/10/03/29/)
# [jgmac1106] micro.blog handles webmentions flawlessly for me
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# [jgmac1106] Hey everyone in San Fransisco. here is what i am working on tonight: https://spice-doll.glitch.me/
# [jgmac1106] need to strip all the javasscript functions so it spits our just a few lines of html per badge, not sure on the mark up, gonna play
# tantek__ badges << https://spice-doll.glitch.me/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://spice-doll.glitch.me/" to the "See Also" section of /badge https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52482&oldid=52243
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bdesham___ aaronpk 😄
# [jgmac1106] I will replace the link to something on my own domain when I am done with Glitch. Use that as my "sloppy copy" staging server as of late
# [jgmac1106] Hoping to get that jquery file down quite a bit, mf2 badges going to be way simpler and cleaner HTMl then current spec IMO
# [jgmac1106] Hello [TimApple] if you are already at HWC your website is 32.367% done
# [jgmac1106] Is Tim online or on the ground? Sorry Tim if I confused you
# [jgmac1106] they are running live events right now as well so we are inviting new friends from so many places
# [jgmac1106] good night all, have fun
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Zegnat This seems cool: Online identities? Have a blog! https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1047640104657801217
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@troyhunt At #TECHplza today I spoke about helping kids to create positive online identities. Have a look at how @AdamCogan’s kids @RubyCogan and @EveCogan have created their identities, I love what this has done for the girls’ profiles: http://rubycogan.com/blog/ and https://evecogan.com/blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/1047640104657801217)
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# AkyRhO Hi sknebel
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# [jgmac1106] okay sorry for the confusion., Originally from Garland and Rowlette my self
# [jgmac1106] if you need any help building the site or deciding how to build it let anyof us know. Happy to help
# [jgmac1106] you have two options then, you can go with https://micro.blog that is $5 a month, everything works just done
# [jgmac1106] that is a micro.blog blog
# [jgmac1106] Who is manton?
# [jgmac1106] here is another example: http://manton.micro.blog/
# [jgmac1106] you can also use Known, https://cleverdevil.io/ but you have to set up a database and update from FTP, that takes one time and then you are good (except updates which you have to get from GitHub and then push through FTP)
# [jgmac1106] Then of course you can use WordPress and there is a lot of support
# [jgmac1106] [TimApple] my best approach is to start on paper, draw the vision you want, don't worry if you don't know how to code it, visualize the pages you need and te blocks of content on the page, and then we can decide the stack
# Zegnat Known is still very good.. I have seen the Mac centric criticism against micro.blog before. Not sure how true it is. It is true that native apps are being developed for the Mac ecosystem first, but the web edition is just as accessible to everyone and the standards are open so other IndieWeb tools should work.
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat the criticsm isn't just about the tech, but Apple large part of the convo, the design aesthetic, favoring markdown over html, that is all Cupertino fan stuff, it ain't too bad and is the only one push indieweb solution now
# [jgmac1106] Known has activitypub plugins yes
# [jgmac1106] [TimApple] nothing works with facebook anymore, facebook changed their API
# [jgmac1106] I still love microblog, I have all the blogs, WordPress, Known, and micro.blog, as you gte better at coding their are other options
# [jgmac1106] writing from scratch from someone who says "I am not coder" is daunting but rewarding. It is more a learning goal than a build a website goal
# [jgmac1106] Who is tmiller?
# [jgmac1106] trying to show you a Known site built with someone at IWC NYC this weekend
# [jgmac1106] https://rootedfromnature.com this is a Known site we just built
# [jgmac1106] agree, but micro.blog is kinda a mac community
# [jgmac1106] I just stay off for a few days during any product releases, then hop back on when things settle down and all the rich folks are out a few thousand bucks
# [jgmac1106] but its a great place and super nice people
# [jgmac1106] Mastodon plugin: https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon
# [jgmac1106] yes you can VPS, if yousettle on idea we can move the talk to -dev
# Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
# [jgmac1106] use this to get the latest builds: https://withknown.marcus-povey.co.uk/
# [jgmac1106] I use Reclaim Hosting, many use Dream hosting Go Daddy does sponsor IndieWeb but many people will not use them do to the objectification of women in Go Daddy adds
# [jgmac1106] okAY
# [jgmac1106] .hmmmmm https://github.com/idno/known looks updated now, I will ping @mapkyca to see if we should recommend this repo now
# [jgmac1106] [TimApple] we can Known together I am trying to carve out the time to migrate from WordPress back to Known, gonna do a few static pages and then put all my stream and blogging back on Known
# [jgmac1106] good luck with kids I have to the same (BTW all three of my kids have a Known blog)
# [jgmac1106] I tried to move thePlanet McVerry diaspora page off of facebook onto a shared Known instance but couldn't convince nuclear family let alone distant relative flung across the globe
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# AkyRhO quick question - i'm using brid.gy with my wordpress blog to syndicate automatically on twitter my likes/reposts/etc. but since there is no title given for those posts, here is the kind of tweet it generates : https://twitter.com/akyrho/status/1047449090949353472
# AkyRhO anyone knows how i can automatically use the posts excerpt if the title is missing?
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# [jgmac1106] yes this is theme specific
# [jgmac1106] I went to WordPress, I think it is an easy fix
# [jgmac1106] [AkyRhO] Have you tried the FrancisCMS and all the RoR CMS solutions.....maybe less frustrating for you then trying to get all the WordPress stuff working
# AkyRhO thanks
# AkyRhO i'll check this out
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# AkyRhO thanks
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[manton] [TimApple] Let me know if you ever have questions about Micro.blog. I think you tried it last year with Blot and there were some issues with URL encoding that have since been fixed. If you decide to host somewhere else like Known you can also add your RSS feed to Micro.blog and still participate in the community. (It did start with a Mac and iOS focus, but I've been trying to improve the web version lately. There are a bunch of IndieWeb-friendly ap
# [TimApple] Ok, thanks [manton] I may still check it out....and you have a good memory.
# [TimApple] lol
# [TimApple] Has anyone used the Known docker container...seems like it would be the easiest way to get up and going?
# [TimApple] [manton], would you be able to tell me what email I signed up with..tried to login but forgot. I have a problem with multiple emails.
# [TimApple] Sounds good.
# [TimApple] never mind [manton], I guessed it.
# [TimApple] lol...looks like I never canceled...been paying all this time. I never noticed it... the curse of subscribing to to many things.
# [TimApple] never mind...all the invoices are for 0$
# [TimApple] just appeared that way.
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# [jgmac1106] +1 to let me pay annual, can't wait, hate subscription software,
# [jgmac1106] 'I know its coming
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# chrisaldrich [TimApple] I just saw that Loqi message from 2017... I'm pretty sure that Known isn't doing paid versions/hosting anymore, though I've heard that Reclaim hosting is going to have a one click install shortly after v1.0 is released.
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# [TimApple] It may be a possibility.... I keep swinging ideas around.. I'm sort of thing starting completely from scratch with a index.html ...lol. or right now i'm looking at some of the different static site generators also.
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] good rumor to hear. I have like 5,432 Known instances
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] note the ping on the discussion with @inn and webmentions
# [jgmac1106] I messed up the reply tweet but they do all the nonprofit news Wordpress software
# [jgmac1106] I wanted to get them the paper in Co.
# chrisaldrich [jgmac1106] I'm not saying that they're shutting down the hosted thing. All my knowledge is based on Ben's plan laid out last month at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/known-dev/XCpVUkkp8m0
# chrisaldrich [jgmac1106] I saw the broken thread... It's interesting that your reply that mentions me on your site (and not on Twitter) actually showed up in my "mentions" tab on Twitter. (Not sure if it's a glitch or a feature?)
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# chrisaldrich Twitter-- for suspending Tantek's account yet again... don't they keep any data on repeated false positives?
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# [TimApple] I decided to start out with a ghost blog at this point. And if they work together which I assume they do I will link it with micro.blog ...will they click together [manton]?
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# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] no I did mention you on twitter I messed up the thread by not doing a reply post
# [jgmac1106] [TimApple] any blog that produces a json or rss feed connects to micro.blog, not sure if atom is supported, probably
# [jgmac1106] unless things have changed and wiki out of date maybe harder than other solutions: https://indieweb.org/Ghost if you want to pull in webmentions from micro.blog
# Loqi Ghost is an an open source blogging software project written in node.js, and also a hosted silo at https://ghost.org https://indieweb.org/Ghost
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# gRegorLove Hey Salt[m] o/
# gRegorLove It goes :) Yeah, still enjoying the sun
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# [jgmac1106] [manton] I got put off by the five year anniversary announcement, "we realized tech is hard to we will only sell to the really tech crowd that doesn't need help"
# [jgmac1106] snarky paraphrase mine
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# [TimApple] [manton] I am going to do Micro.blog add it to the ghost menu... I am also going to build a static site..and someday, as I learn...I can move off ghost and do 100% homebrew
# [TimApple] I have 4 kids, a wife, and an xwife...learning will be slow so easy start will keep me motivated why I learn.
# [jgmac1106] the five year email is just a stark contrast of the original goal of "easier cleaner wordpress"
# [jgmac1106] and since I run a company in the education space, the worst tech literate crowd, I spend too much time trying to make things different, and I was going off the criticism on the /ghost page
# [jgmac1106] maybe it needs updating
# [jgmac1106] micro.blog is easier, cleaner WordPress
# [jgmac1106] yeah I like [benwerd]'s comment I don't care about standards fights except that they are open
# [TimApple] Can micro.blog do full on blog posts?
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# gRegorLove Yeah
# [TimApple] Have y'all reviewed the api page since Ghost 2 was released. It's a little above my head lingo wise, but looks like they are working on it.. https://api.ghost.org/
# gRegorLove I was just taking a look at that. It appears the API for reading from Ghost is decently documented. The private API to write posts appears less so (or I'm missing it)
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# [TimApple] I guess only time will tell.. I'm renewing my micro.blog now [manton] to play with it some.
# gRegorLove Could try sending some POST requests to https://api.ghost.org/docs/posts, heh
# [TimApple] Yes it would....I am going to try some larger posts on Micro.blog and see how it works out.
# [TimApple] You can have static pages on micro.blog also, correct?
# [TimApple] Yes, I'm playing around with a lot of stuff... to be honest I'm easily distracted by the new shiny.... on linux I'm a chronic distro hopper.
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# [jgmac1106] [dougbeal] is an awesome example, takes WordPress and runs it through Linode, just because you can
# gRegorLove [manton], I updated /Ghost#API including a post detailing the private API. Issue is it requires the username and password.
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