#indieweb 2018-10-05

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[jgmac1106] @tantel it is not a false report. They have tweaked the engines to flag ANY @ mentions from third party clients (all micropub) under "harassment control efforts"
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[jgmac1106] Oopks [tantek], sorry hands tired
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: well I'm not using Micropub
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[jgmac1106] My app was suspended live tweeting the home run derby from the actual stadium using a hashtag the Major League Baseball paid a ton of money to have an emoji next to.
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tantek__ and I'm typically only @-mentioning folks that are already following me
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[jgmac1106] any @ mention from not the direct client is considered bad
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tantek__ I'm suspecting that's more @-mentions of celebs that aren't following you, especially repeatedly
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[jgmac1106] In my email I was told I @ mentioned too many peopl in a row who are not following me
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aaronpk hm yeah that doesn't map to my experience
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aaronpk oh yeah not following you?
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tantek__ right, if you repeatedly @-mention someone who is not following you, I think you get flagged
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[jgmac1106] exactly what you said, in my reply email I said, but I am using Twitter exactly how I should @ mentioning people during live sporting event clearly being paid for in some kind of deal
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tantek__ I don't think they paid to get @-mentioned
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[jgmac1106] I have to search my blog. I posted their email to me and my response
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tantek__ the hashtag maybe. but not @-mentions
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tantek__ so that's two separate things, better to not conflate them
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tantek__ also @-mentions of people following you are *very* different (expected) than people not following you (unexpected / rare), so if you do the latter *a lot* it looks like you are a harassing them
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aaronpk I haven't had any trouble replying to tweetns from the API but I don't add new @-mentions in that
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[jgmac1106] yeah I was never really twitter big so I don't know what @ mention stroms feel like
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[jgmac1106] I misunderstood...me... goes back to read logs. I thought you were saying @ mentions got you flagged
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tantek__ no I never said that
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[jgmac1106] yes my mistake, reading indieweb channel now
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[jgmac1106] I mean, chat, just lost the thread, apologies, but more importantly that stinks,
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[jgmac1106] How did I just get bombarded with webnmentions from Google+
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[jgmac1106] its pretty cool, no idea when they are from and had no idea I could get webmentions from Google+
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GWG Bridgy does
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GWG Or did
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[jgmac1106] just kicked in for the first time in a long time
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-10-05.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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AngeloGladding mornin' Zegnat
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Ruxton I like to respond in my local timezone :P
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Ruxton Afternoon Zegnat ;P
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gRegorLove what is ugt?
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Loqi Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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gRegorLove good morning and good night :)
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Ruxton woah
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Ruxton I can't believe I wasn't aware of UGT
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Ruxton adopts
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AngeloGladding lol yessss
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AngeloGladding gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (112 in all channels)
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Zegnat UGT has been one of the easiest things to adopt ever. I don't even think about it, no matter when I go into a chat,. I now always great with good morning.
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Zegnat What time is it for Zegnat?
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Loqi In Zegnat's timezone, Europe/Amsterdam, it is currently 9:05am on October 5
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AkyRhO Hey Zegnat, we are basically neighbors!
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Zegnat Because we share a time zone, or because you checked where I live on my website?
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AkyRhO Timezone neighbors :)
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AkyRhO Europe/Brussels here :)
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[Vincent] Good Morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning [Vincent]
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[Vincent] morning @Zegnat
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[Vincent] I’ve been recently thinking around the new iOS shortcuts and indieweb stuff…thinking how I can automate things. Has anyone already been thinking about this?
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Zegnat Hmm. For some reason I think sebsel may have been playing with that
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Zegnat What is shortcuts?
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Loqi Shortcuts is an iOS app formerly known as Workflow used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Shortcuts
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Zegnat Not sure what changed on the Workflow to Shortcuts renaming process. That page may require some touch ups.
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[Vincent] I
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[Vincent] I’ve been thinking about things like geo-fencing an event and as you enter, sending a webmention to attendees to let them know you arrived
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[Vincent] Apple bought Workflow, renamed it shortcuts then also added some deeper integration for Apple apps. Otherwise, it’s largely the same I believe.
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Zegnat Then that page on the wiki should explain how some of the posting could be setup :-)
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[Vincent] Just looking at it now, thanks 🙂
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NinjaTrappeur Hey aaronpk, I see you interconnected your website posts with the fediverse. Did you documented somewhere how did you achieve this? (THIS IS COOL!)
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cweiske this might be https://snarfed.org/indieweb-ostatus-bridge, but I am not sure
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cweiske maybe aaron has his own implementation
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NinjaTrappeur I think this is something else. Ostatus is kind of the "ancestor" of activity pub, kind on the decline. According to my AP's server logs, Arron seems to have an AP inbox ( https://aaronparecki.com/activitypub/inbox ).
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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NinjaTrappeur Thanks for the link btw!
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Zegnat aaronpk has his own implementation, but the write-up I still pending.
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aaronpk Yeah it's all from scratch built into my website. I also have a second implementation that's a bit cleaner that I'll probably open source soon
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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[jgmac1106] good morning
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Loqi greetings human
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GWG Morning
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petermolnar feature request: Loqi randomly uses disturbing, dystopian-sounding greetings, such as "rise and shine, citizen!"
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GWG petermolnar, why do you share photo metadata on your photo posts?
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NinjaTrappeur aaronpk, nice!
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petermolnar GWG you mean the exif? the short reason is that if a fellow photographer shows up, they can know the conditions I made it with.
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GWG Okay
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GWG That makes sense.
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jeremycherfas petermolnar Do you share exif separately, or just extract it from the image to display?
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petermolnar I extract it into a temporary .json file on file modification, then the .json is used on build; it's done via exiftool
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petermolnar https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/blob/master/exiftool.py
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jeremycherfas Ah yes; you are static, right?
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[TimApple] Question: So I see lots of indieweb stuff focused on twitter, fb, etc... where does the fediverse come into it, if at all. I'm not on any of the traditional social media platforms myself.
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[TimApple] ?
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[jgmac1106] [TimApple] every thing I post goes to mastodon at jgmac1106@mastodon.social and jgmac1106@jgregorymcverry.com
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[schmarty] TimApple: since ActivityPub was finalized and popularized by Mastodon, some folks are making their sites work with it, but it's got some challenges.
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[schmarty] what is Bridgy Fed?
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Loqi Bridgy Fed connects IndieWeb sites with federated social networks like Mastodon and Hubzilla https://indieweb.org/Bridgy_Fed
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[jgmac1106] haven't set up Bridgy Fed yet, and webmentions are explicitly not added around privacy concerns
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[schmarty] what is ActivityPub?
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Loqi ActivityPub is a decentralized social networking protocol (W3C Recommendation) briefly known as ActivityPump, based on pump.io and ActivityStreams https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub
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[jgmac1106] I hope for the day when I don't need it and my social reader simply acts like my tweetdeck, mastodon space, we can dream
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[schmarty] [TimApple] ^^ examples of folks syndicating from their own sites to "fediverse" sites
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[jgmac1106] https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon if you go with Known
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Loqi [danito] KnownMastodon: Syndicate to Mastodon
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[schmarty] anyway, this is starting to sound -dev
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[TimApple] cool...thanks for the info.
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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GWG Hello, tantek
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tantek hello GWG :)
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GWG Working on any interesting itches?
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tantek I'll take that to dev :)
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[TimApple] morning [tantek]
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dougbeal GoOd MoRninG FeLloW HuMans!
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aaronpk hah careful with that capitalization or you’ll trigger loqis’ spam filters
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dougbeal bribes Loqi with a cookie.
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dougbeal givews Loqi a cookie bribe.
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dougbeal gibes up.
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KartikPrabhu give Loqi a cookie
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KartikPrabhu damn!
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dougbeal gives Loqi a pat.
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Loqi investigates the pat.
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dougbeal aaronpk: Thinking about it, getting kicked by Loqi would have been delightfully ironic ;)
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KartikPrabhu specially after the "pat" ;)
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[daniel] Greetings everybody, I'm the developer of MarsEdit, and [manton]'s podcasting co-host.
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[manton] Hi [daniel]!
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[Rose] Whee! I loved MarsEdit when I used WordPress.
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aaronpk waves to [daniel]
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jeremycherfas I still love MarsEdit. Just wish it would Micropub, so if that’s why you’re here, great.
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[schmarty] [daniel]: it's great that you're here regardless, haha. welcome.
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dougbeal o/ daniel
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[eddie] Welcome [daniel]!
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[daniel] Thanks all. Micropub support is definitely on the list. The enhancements [manton] and [aaronpk] (and others?) have discussed to make it more suitable to a general purpose app like MarsEdit should go a long way.
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[eddie] daniel++
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[Rose] Wonderful!
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[eddie] marsedit++
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Loqi marsedit has 1 karma over the last year
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jmac Oh cool
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[jgmac1106] What is MarsEdit?
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Loqi MarsEdit is a Mac desktop app for blogging, supporting posting to several blog platforms including WordPress, Tumblr, and Micro.blog https://indieweb.org/MarsEdit
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jmac [daniel]: Big long-time MarsEdit fan here, welcome, this is great news.
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[jgmac1106] interest peaked
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[tantek] Welcome Daniel!!!
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[AkyRhO] [daniel] do you plan to port MarsEdit on Linux anytime soon?
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] I hope your interest hasn't peaked. 😀
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar [daniel]: MarsEdit could also be a GUI for static genetators (eg. trigger build, sync remote location), like Jekyll or Hugo. That could make some static generators actually user friendly.
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[TimApple] [manton] and [daniel] which podcast is that?
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[chrisaldrich] Who is Manton?
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[chrisaldrich] Loqi? No love?
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[chrisaldrich] [TimApple] this podcast https://manton.org/podcasts/
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[TimApple] Thanks [chrisaldrich]
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Lavos f
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Lavos free sapm
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[daniel] [AkyRhO] I don't anticipate that I will ever port MarsEdit to Linux because I am a Mac user and highly invested in that platform. If the Mac disappeared, maybe I'd switch to Linux, though!
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[daniel] @jmac [tantek] thanks 🙂
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[daniel] @petermolnar MarsEdit used to support a rudimentary (Blosxom-based) static publishing mode, but I took it out in MarsEdit 4 because I was so dissatisfied with it. I do plan to revisit static publishing again at some point, with an eye towards making it extremely modular, probably script based. Hopefully it would then be adaptable to most if not all static systems.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/10/05/11/note/
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[cleverdevil] Yay, welcome [daniel] 🙂
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Loqi 😄
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cool program you can make with basic C knowledge" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "cool program you can make with basic C knowledge is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich oops... I missed the newsletter.
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chrisaldrich I just heard and confirmed that I'll be doing an IndieWeb-based talk at WordCamp Riverside in November.
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tantek__ chrisaldrich++ nice!
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (56 in all channels)
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chrisaldrich I just noticed that their theme is an appropriate sounding "Looking back to go forward." -- HA!
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gRegorLove Just tried my first /invite post
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tantek__ oooh
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gRegorLove Which gives me the itch to update my /event posts to show a list of invitees
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chrisaldrich gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (113 in all channels)
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gRegorLove But first I think I need to fix some RSVP and general comment display