#indieweb 2018-10-06
2018-10-06 UTC
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Hello Salaryman Zegnat
# jeremycherfas Good morning sebsel and sknebel
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# jeremycherfas I'm in the same position as Rose and would welcome a joint vHWC/NUE
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[jgmac1106] why cant HWC-Nunrberg, be join Nurnbegr remotely? think we got a case of over thinking
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: 1) no HWC was planned, jkphl publicly wondered if people were interested today and I was polling; 2) the usual HWC Nürnberg – like many other HWC – has never offered remote (as I can recall); 3) the usual venue does not have A/V equipment lying around to guarantee a succesfull remote. Planning it required here. We’ll try though!
# [jgmac1106] ahh that makes sense
# [jgmac1106] We have talked about putting together a remote a/v package we could ship around to HWCs.
# [jgmac1106] waht day of week, I teach M and W
# [jgmac1106] too lazy to hit button for calendar
# [jgmac1106] ...yeah usually in class during HWX-Europe, but try to encourage some remote sessions if at all possible and bandwidth available
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# jeremycherfas Do people have suggestions for a service that will do what page2rss used to do? Monitor pages for changes and send an alert or create a feed of some sort.
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[dmitshur] hello. I have a theoretical question about indieweb and silos
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[kevinmarks] OK
# [dmitshur] imagine if one of the companies... let's say github, as an example, organized user accounts, user data, etc., slightly differently.
# [dmitshur] right now, when you create a user account on GH named "user1", you get github.com/user1 and your repos are stored on GitHub's servers.
# [dmitshur] what if (this is gonna sound crazy, but bear with me for the sake of an argument)... they'd let you sign up as "user2.com", assuming that domain isn't taken yet, and they would register it for you, buy you a private server... and place their proprietary code on it, and then your github repos are now available at user2.com instead of github.com/user2... and your data is stored on that server (which is yours...). aside from the different url, the f
# [dmitshur] repos are on your server, and you need to pay more $ for the domain and server, it would be an experience indistinguishable from the current github.com
# [dmitshur] if that happened, would your git repos on your user2.com server be considered being in a silo?
# [dmitshur] the definition of a silo on the wiki says "a silo [...] is a centralized web site typically owned by a for-profit corporation that stakes some claim to content contributed to it and restricts access in some way (has walls)"
# [dmitshur] so I suppose this wouldn't apply since it's no longer centralized (I think?) and there are fewer restrictions to access (i.e., you can access your git repos on your own server)
# [dmitshur] I guess the more interesting question is where the other metadata would live (git repos are too easy)... like issues, etc.
# [dmitshur] I should've used a blogging silo site as an example... like facebook or instagram
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KartikPrabhu what is POSSE
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
# KartikPrabhu [dmitshur]: that seems to be what you are talking about ^
# [dmitshur] it might be related, but that doesn't sound like exactly it. I meant if a company literally lets you use your own server to host your own data and uses your server to run a part of their service
# [dmitshur] no copies involved
# [dmitshur] it might not be technically viable, even if they wanted to do it, because of the latency overhead... etc., but anyway, I just thought it was an interesting hypothetical situation to imagine
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# [dmitshur]
{<some> service + web hosting} as a service, lol# 
gRegorLove wordpress.com sounds close to that model, though they're not giving you full access to the server. As long as you use your own domain with it, you can control the links and move elsewhere as needed.
# [dmitshur] in the sense they let you host their blog on your own domain, right?
# [dmitshur] your wordpress blog*
# gRegorLove Yeah, and they let you buy a domain through them, if you choose
# gRegorLove It's hosting + managed, limited version of their software
# [dmitshur] https://indieweb.org/commons#Test is relevant
# [dmitshur] the contraption I described above wouldn't pass, because even though it's running in a distributed manner, the service is still proprietary and closed source, etc.
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# [dmitshur] thanks for the discussion all 🙂
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# [jgmac1106] bonus for using open standards as well as data portability, community a mix of all different kinds of philosophies of economics and ownership, just as long as we can connect our sites
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# KartikPrabhu Old_Man: yes a lot of indieweb stuff uses microformats. for microformats specific questions though the #microformats channel is best