#indieweb 2018-11-01

2018-11-01 UTC
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[wiobyrne] [chrisaldrich] I start my students off with free WordPress, but have been conducting small scale studies to see if students care whether or not they pay for (or have it paid for) their own domains. I need to work on the guidance leading them from free to hosted WordPress...and (possibly) back again.
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[wiobyrne] But, there tends to be some interest in some individuals in having their own space that they control. Especially with WordPress and ability to have more plugins...and select your domain.
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GWG My first attempt at a post with altitude. Can't get a gps lock. https://david.shanske.com/2018/10/31/2130/
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Loqi [David Shanske] Trying out the altitude settings I added to my site. Keying in manually as I can’t get a GPS lock.
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[jgmac1106] Good morning.
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Loqi happy day
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sl007 https://indieweb.org/Inrupt is MEGA UNFAIR - these claims are inapplicable
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sl007 The OpenSource project is 6 men and 3 women.
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sl007 IWC Nuremberg was 17 men and 2 women.
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sl007 Just saying.
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petermolnar sl007: agreed. on the other hand, we - IWC - don't advertise ourselves as the next internet.
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aaronpk The wiki is just citing existing criticism which seems reasonable
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petermolnar there is no indication it's a cite
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sl007 right. Aaron, not sure if you read my mail, sent a minute ago. No cite. There is an unfair tweet by Ruben totally taken out of context !
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sl007 petermolnar I know that Sir Timbl calls "Linked Data" the "next internet" - Inrupt was founded by Sir Timbl and says "Inrupt’s here to help drive this next stage of the web. " - what is so wrong if they just want to create an OpenSource community for that ?
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sl007 petermolnar fyi I was mailing a lot with the Inrupt people because they wanted to support https://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen
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sl007 will meet Ruben in mid-november
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sl007 did not know about the rant before
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jgmac1106 [sl007] I agree we should try our best to make criticism’s snark free as possible. Linked Data is a trigger word for many…and did XHTML work out as the next web?or did we have to waste time before we got to HTML5….
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petermolnar sl007: this is -chat imo
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petermolnar I'll continue there
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jgmac1106 …and is the next internet really going to be born on a proprietary blogging platform like Medium?
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sl007 @jgmac1106 Not sure, using HTML5 + JSON-LD ;)
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jgmac1106 in terms of chat I guess it comes down to does [sl007] wantign to know if it is on record
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sl007 @jgmac1106 I am a fighter for transparency !
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jgmac1106 then we can keep it here, chat is off record
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sl007 exactly.
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petermolnar (next internet... I keep thinking about a certain Person of Interest episode where a local crime org. reused old analogue roof antennas to make their own mesh internet - now, that's next internet, right there ;) )
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jgmac1106 but for me it just reaked of hubris…a start up launched with a Medium blogpost with no real product or users that will “save the web"
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] have you read Kill Process yet? will tove the mesh onion network the protagonsit sets up wth Rasberry Pis
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petermolnar no, not yet, but I did look into my options/communities in Cambridge, result is ::crickets::
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sl007 jgmac1106 - It is https://www.inrupt.com (company) and https://solid.inrupt.com (product) !
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sl007 Also: Are the IndieWeb Building Blocks "products" or "protocols" ?
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jgmac1106 my reference to XHTML is Berners-Lee has tried before (and failed) to rewrite the web,…luckily we got HTML5…but I am not speaking from a place of deep knowledge
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petermolnar neither; standards
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jgmac1106 depends….I would say most are standards
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sl007 The code is here https://github.com/solid/ - using node solid server - could be more userfriendly and should support IndieAuth mechanisms
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jgmac1106 [sl007] I just don’t see anythign wrong with HTML and believe in human readable before machine readable data structures
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sl007 OK, I would say, SOLID is a set of standards too - https://solid.inrupt.com/docs/intro-to-solid-spec
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petermolnar it is, yes
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sl007 jgmac1106 - same here ! JSON-LD is just rel="alternate" for me
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petermolnar there's nothing wrong with solid, apart from being way to theoretical
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petermolnar the problem is with inrupt
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jgmac1106 though I want to investigate this more. Had good conversations with [grantcodes] and [benwerd] that HTML really isn’t the future, I want to explore this vision more even with my bias towards HTML first
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sl007 ok - this is the same I guess - Isn't Inrupt for Solid what e.g. https://js.foundation is for jQuery ?
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jgmac1106 though I think Ben is more on the…users don’t need to see HTML and Grant is more all in on json as a better way forward…but it was too late into a meetup for me to truly understand…liquid confusion mixed with poor comprehension
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petermolnar sl007: I have no idea what js.foundation is
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petermolnar and not really, because solid - the specs and everything - is, in essence, coming from inrupt
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petermolnar so solid is more like react, if inrupt is fb
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jgmac1106 [sl007] though please keep pointing out articles you believe we slant or snark too much…IMO it isn’t purpose of wiki,…we have been stripping much of the snark directed at other solutions
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petermolnar (which hopefully it's not)
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petermolnar agreed with that (snark is not useful)
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] That is AWESOME!!! except nobody can talk to facebook but facebook, solid should theoretically interact with other theoretical products that also do not exist yet
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sl007 petetermolnar https://js.foundation
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sl007 What is .foundation
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Foundation
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jgmac1106 as a call back similar to the annotation tools, an open standard written, published, and consumed by the same company
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petermolnar yo, I got the link yes, but I remember jquery when it popped up and replaced prototype.js and the new shiny, I haven't been following it since
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sl007 but a .tld as well - linked data might be handy here.
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sl007 above goes to Loqi
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sl007 petermolnar It is the foundation to many https://js.foundation/community/projects
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sl007 What leads the wiki entry to the conclusion that this OpenSource project is commercial at all ?
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sl007 https://twitter.com/RubenVerborgh/status/1056474384808972288
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@RubenVerborgh @dietrich Don't confuse my clumsiness with "the project" 🙂 I'm a Solid volunteer and got shamed by @jensimmons for asking for help, which I'm sure I deserved. But Solid—like the Web—is for all. Talk to Mitzi from Inrupt, she's there. Also ping us with technical worries, happy to discuss. (twitter.com/_/status/1056474384808972288)
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petermolnar sl007: is it a vc backed startup?
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petermolnar inrupt, I mean
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jgmac1106 TBL “the intent is world domination” direct quote: https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web
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jgmac1106 Later this fall, Berners-Lee plans to start looking for more venture funding and grow his team.
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jgmac1106 another direct quote, Inrupt is a commercial enterprise, I have nothing against that, but it isn’t a FLOSS tool though it is open source
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petermolnar if commercial has a definition, that's "backed by venture funding" these days
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jgmac1106 yeah an LP is going to want a 10x return which usllay means a 3x valuation of revenue…which means commercialiation and either an exit or an IPO
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petermolnar that said, commercial can still do good, but that message "we'll fix the web" doesn't resonate well
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petermolnar (while one of the core issues is everything being commercial end selling out imo)
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jgmac1106 ….plus the future of the web isn’t launched on medium and fast company…future of the web launched on a bunch of tiny little websites by individual pieces
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petermolnar sounds like the future of the web is, in essence, it's past :)
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jgmac1106 Back to Future “small pieces loosely joined”
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sl007 petermolnar let me google http://glasswing.vc/a-solid-investment-why-glasswing-is-backing-sir-tim-berners-lee-and-inrupt.html
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sl007 https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=586113088
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petermolnar sl007: may I ask you to join #indieweb-chat and continue there?
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sl007 jgmac1106 sorry, but maybe confusing two things - if you have a Server ("POD") at Inrupt, not sure, but if you host SOLID e.g. https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server yourself this is perfect FLOSS.
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Loqi [solid] node-solid-server: Solid server on top of the file-system in NodeJS
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sl007 petermolnar ok
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jgmac1106 I mean inrupt the compnay not solid the standards….but it is a case of one company developing and pusing a specific standard
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petermolnar jgmac1106: -chat, please :)
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] but I think what [sl007] was saying for transparency sake -chat is not on record nor archived, thus his wish to have convo in this channel
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jgmac1106 join #indieweb-organizers
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sl007 @jgmac1106 that "needs an invitation"
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jgmac1106 I knwo we were testing the slack and IRC bridge…and I forgot a slash
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[kevinmarks] interesting: https://ambernaslund.com/what-i-learned-after-taking-30-days-off-facebook-instagram-and-twitter/
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[kevinmarks] Successor to pave the cow paths? https://twitter.com/keiths/status/1057345856507207680?s=19
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@keiths “We know our users/customers" https://twitter.com/keiths/status/1057345856507207680/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1057345856507207680)
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sl007 !tell jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inrupt&diff=53385&oldid=53384 - but thanks for trying
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sl007 https://www.inrupt.com/blog/one-small-step-for-the-web
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/CabbageCatMemes/status/1054060300994011141?s=19
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@CabbageCatMemes https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqDGQTaU0AAc1g2.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1054060300994011141)
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sknebel flickr limiting free accounts: https://blog.flickr.net/en/2018/11/01/changing-flickr-free-accounts-1000-photos/
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sknebel "Beginning January 8, 2019, Free accounts will be limited to 1,000 photos and videos."
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petermolnar WAT
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aaronpk Isn't that what it used to be?
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petermolnar 1TB
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petermolnar there were not limit in number of images
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petermolnar as far as I'm aware
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aaronpk I think there was a number limit a long time ago
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aaronpk the 1tb thing was pretty new
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petermolnar "new"
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petermolnar I think I'm actually happy for this change
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petermolnar 1000 images is plenty
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jeremycherfas According to the post, the number limit in the beginning was 200 images
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[kevinmarks] I have 746 there
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[kevinmarks] though flickr as archive of web 2.0 is what I mostly use it for now
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[kevinmarks] there is a period of time where all the event pics were on flickr
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[kevinmarks] https://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/416449908
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[kevinmarks] I want to get all the photos of me too!
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sebsel [kevinmarks] When I post a like of a photo (on Instagram for example), my site actually downloads a copy of that photo and stores it with the post. It's just not published. But that's a nice way of keeping an archive of these things ;)
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[kevinmarks] or this album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/albums/458395
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[kevinmarks] (that is a bar that is now mozilla SF, and we projected slides on the ceiling)
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calumryan reminded me I should try and recover access to my pre-Yahoo flickr account at some point
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aaronpk My Flickr archiver project is getting attention again of course
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slvr my old flickr just has a bunch of old low-res wallpapers...
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Syndication Links 4.0.0 Released" https://david.shanske.com/2018/11/01/syndication-links-4-0-0-released/
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GWG POSSE to Indienews
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GWG Achievement unlocked
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jacky GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (164 in all channels)
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