#indieweb 2018-11-02

2018-11-02 UTC
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/rebuilding-the-web---yesvember-indieweb
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Amber Naslund took 30 days off from social media and it clarified things: When I felt like posting, I told myself to write instead. If I couldn’t find it in me to write, I spent time with some other creative pursuit – music, needlework, visual ... http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/4bac3356f589e43444a47e362d44019e/thumb.jpg
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viaken Viaken++
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Loqi viaken: You can't karma yourself!
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viaken Just curious :)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-02.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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hazzcheez Would anyone be interested in checking out a bootstrap navbar plugin i'm working on? perhaps offer some advice and the like?
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sl007 First version of empathi ontology was published (managing emergency) https://shekarpour.github.io/empathi.io/
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[tonz] yeah, there was a number limit of 200 in the early days (is why I took a subscription in ’05)
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[tonz] Some thoughts on Flickr and bringing it home https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/11/flickr-account-changes-and-bringing-things-home/
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[tonz] Anyone here who took their flickr archives home? And how did you adapt your routines for it/around it?
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[schmarty] tonz++ good write-up about how you use Flickr!
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Loqi tonz has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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aaronpk about 6-7 years ago I set up a project to mirror my flickr account to a local website
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aaronpk but I didn't want to deal with issues around two-way syncing, so it was only a one-way mirror, and I didn't change any of my workflow
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[tonz] [aaronpk] thanks. My friend Peter brought all the storage home, and described how he downloaded all his pics with metadata, and also how he replaced all the embedded Flickr pics in his blog archive with locally stored ones https://ruk.ca/content/leaving-flickr and https://ruk.ca/content/how-download-all-your-flickr-photos-and-metadata
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[kevinmarks] As you say, its not just downloading your own photos, it's the collective archive of events and the pool of CC images too.
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[tonz] [schmarty] thanks! [kevinmarks] yes, that cc part is important to me, as is reciprocally contributing my own images to that.
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jeremycherfas Haven't read them yet, but do they download other people's comments on your images?
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jeremycherfas Also, good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] I need to figure out how to recreate this on my own site... [johnjohnston] built me a plug in using my CC license CSS overlay https://jgregorymcverry.com/flickr-images/
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: sl007 left you a message 20 hours, 8 minutes ago: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inrupt&diff=53385&oldid=53384 - but thanks for trying
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Loqi [ℳąhą Bąℓi, PhD مها بالي 🌷] Where can i find the plugin?
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aaronpk the archiver I made did include comments and likes from other people
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[jgmac1106] If I recall corectly with GDPR and download Flickr went with idea that the photographer doesn't own the comments, the person posting comment does
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[kevinmarks] [tonz] I sent you a webmention about that, but it may be in your mod queue http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/for-the-contributing-cc-images-part-you
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] For the contributing CC images part, you can upload to Internet Archive: go to https://archive.org/upload/ and sign in.
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[jgmac1106] !tell sl007 Yeah I agreed with you that the criticism isn't how Inrupt should be defined and that the article may cast Ruben in a negative light based ona Twitter exchange. Serious rewrite the page and teach us about Inrupt
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sl007 jgmac1106 ok, i might try after IWC Berlin
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Loqi sl007: [jgmac1106] left you a message 3 minutes ago: Yeah I agreed with you that the criticism isn't how Inrupt should be defined and that the article may cast Ruben in a negative light based ona Twitter exchange. Serious rewrite the page and teach us about Inrupt
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[kevinmarks] great flickr usage is stuff like: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/microformats1/ or https://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/vloggies/ which would be destroyed by 'delete oldest first'
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jeremycherfas !tell [tonz] Not getting a Title from your post at https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/11/flickr-account-changes-and-bringing-things-home/. Not sure why. You have `name` on your `h-entry` but nowhere else.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk not getting a title in what?
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jeremycherfas A bookmark of the post. Omnibear refused to have anything to do with it and Quill posted the link without a Title.
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aaronpk quill sends whatever you see in the quill interface, nothing to do with the post being bookmarked
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aaronpk I normally use the quill bookmarklet which populates the quill bookmark interface with the page title of the page you run the bookmarklet on
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jeremycherfas The interface is empty, aside from the Bookmark URL.
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aaronpk right, quill doesn't do anything smart with the link being bookmarked
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aaronpk it probably should, but that does not happen right now
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jeremycherfas Nut the bookmarklet does do smart things?
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jeremycherfas But
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aaronpk yes
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jeremycherfas I try it.
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jeremycherfas Yup. That works perfectly. As usual, Thanks aaronpk
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[jgmac1106] ...grrrr I signed into OmniBear to see if I could use n on my Known and I broke my site
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jeremycherfas That seems, er, odd.
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[jgmac1106] I lost my sign box
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[jgmac1106] http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/
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[jgmac1106] if I filter the content I can get the sign box back
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aaronpk that html looks very broken
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aaronpk guessing some plugin is doing something bad
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[jgmac1106] dammit
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[jgmac1106] okay gonna go delete stuff
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[jgmac1106] now just getting stuck at in invalid token...great way to start the day
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[jgmac1106] I can sign in if I am in incognito or private browser mode....must be a cache...but why wouldn't the token from Omnibear expire?...guess I am getting -dev
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[jgmac1106] restarting browser will probably work...have too many tabs open for writing projects
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[tonz] [kevinmarks] it should land first in moderation, but in fact I don’t see your mention there at all.
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[kevinmarks] i tried it with the form too and it gave a 200
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[tonz] [kevinmarks] indeed jus did that myself, it gives a 200 but then there’s nothing in the moderation queue. Will check if there’s anything in the database at all.
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[kevinmarks] https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny/2250728300/
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snarfed1 if any twitter bridgy publish users want to beta test delete support, i shipped it just now. https://snarfed.org/delete.png
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snarfed uses https://indieweb.org/delete, so you do it by returning HTTP 410 for a post that you previously bridgy published
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/02/7/note/
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jacky was looking randomly at this page https://github.com/joshbuchea/HEAD#link and noticed a lot of IndieWeb stuff in there!
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Loqi [joshbuchea] HEAD: A list of everything that *could* go in the head of your document
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snarfed i swear i will never understand why people think a github repo is a good way to publish basically blog posts
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snarfed i guess for pull requests...but they're so awkward for reading, i really wonder if that's worth it
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snarfed anyway, sorry, tangent
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jacky lol nah I feel you
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jacky it's "less" work for most people and for something like this, it's probably deemed as a living document as well
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dckc gets an explanation from Loqi
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jgmac1106 who is dckc?
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/dickc is the former ceo
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jgmac1106 ha ha, was looking for dckc but they are not on chat-names so I can’t ask Loqi
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dckc I'm https://indieweb.org/User:Madmode.com
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sknebel dckc: yes, it is just a mediawiki page with custom styles, and the URL rewritten so it appears at the domain root
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dckc thanks, sknebel . any chance details are available somehwere?
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sknebel Not formally documented afaik, but you can look at the styling in the page source https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
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sknebel And I think the other bit is just a small PHP Script proxying the page, it might be on GitHub
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sknebel Actually https://indieweb.org/mediawiki-customization#front_page
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dckc ah. I see. (though... my eyes! my eyes! php is not my style)
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jacky lol
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jgmac1106 sorry about that I figured you as a long time friend since you knew about Loqi and the spam. Always wonder if that question freaks people out when it doesn’t work? or if they feel interrogated
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dckc no problem
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dckc remind me how to get "who is dckc?" to work?
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dckc dckc is https://indieweb.org/User:Madmode.com
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dckc who is dckc?
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dckc Loqi, dckc is https://indieweb.org/User:Madmode.com
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dckc who is dckc?
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dckc Loqi, pay attention!
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jgmac1106 template here: https://indieweb.org/chat-names ohh you beat me
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dckc who is dckc?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Www.madmode.com
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Elementalen3rgY Hello
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-02.html
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sl007 Hello, finding: "Some" people are moving from google+ (shuts down) to anonymous SILOS just because they look similar to g+ : https://google-rewritten.mn.co [made with https://mightynetworks.com]
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sl007 Also google+ deleted all of our texts connected to photos by limitting the text field to a few chars.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "My New Articles Archive" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/02/9/article/
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dckc whimper. I can't get the logo to change on the mediawiki installation I'm setting up. https://info.rhobot.net/wiki/Main_Page
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jgmac1106 dckc++
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Loqi dckc has 2 karma over the last year
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jgmac1106 hello
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-02.html
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doubleloop What's the intention of the Notifications channel in Microsub?
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doubleloop Not sure what sources I should be added in to it
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aaronpk I have things like home page webmentions show up there
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aaronpk actually most webmentions that are sent to my site show up there
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doubleloop aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (310 in all channels)
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doubleloop Does that mean your site has a feed of all webmentions you receive, and you subscribe to that feed in aperture?
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aaronpk Not quite, Aperture also provides an API that external tools can use to push content into channels. It's not part of the spec, though it's possible it could be. I have a handful of separate scripts that push stuff into Aperture that doesn't live at its own feed
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doubleloop Ahh, cool. I see. I had so far only thought of Microsub as subscribing to feeds. But that's super cool to also allow pushing in to it.
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aaronpk Microsub is more about presenting feed data to apps in a way that you can interact with it, and cares less about exactly how that data got into the microsub server
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[tantek] What are people's response to Flickr saying they will delete all but 1000 newest photos on "free" accounts?
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[tantek] I'm hoping to brainstorm on that tomorrow at IWC
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[tantek] So much Web 2.0 history will be lost
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dckc well, we had to know that 1TB was too good to be true.
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect that they'll have a stronger and more caring community when they're done with their changes at Flickr.
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KartikPrabhu are they provinding a download option for backup?
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect silo-type businesses where people pay a small nominal fee to not be advertised against are probably much more successful than those giving things away for advertising clicks.
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[chrisaldrich] I have a feeling that the pareto principle is at work and the top 20% of active users are already at a Pro level anyway. The rest is just a way to get rid of the non-active/non-caring bloat to get back to something they used to have.
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[chrisaldrich] I do hope they're being careful with the small percentage of non-active free tier over 1000 to prevent data loss.
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vilhalmer the hit from deleting this much history in one go is massive though
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vilhalmer I get not allowing any new uploads, but deleting?
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vilhalmer archive team is probably already on it
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gRegorLove don't forget private photos, though, which archive team can't get
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