#indieweb 2018-11-04

2018-11-04 UTC
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snarfed added bridgy publish docs for deleting tweets: https://brid.gy/about#delete
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Thinking through the IWC Berlin displaying responses session" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/03/17/article/
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[eddie] !tell tantek great responses session! I wrote some summary and thoughts in a blog post to continue the conversation! https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/03/17/article/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [eddie]: snarfed1 left you a message 3 hours, 12 minutes ago: awesome story of unknowingly replying to twitter in your reader. warmed my heart. :P
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Thinking through the IWC Berlin displaying responses session
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[tantek] Eddie++ great post and really appreciate your additional insights!
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Loqi [tantek]: [eddie] left you a message 6 hours, 33 minutes ago: great responses session! I wrote some summary and thoughts in a blog post to continue the conversation! https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/03/17/article/
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Loqi Eddie has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (69 in all channels)
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dietricha anyone know of a node.js module for activitypub?
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dietricha nothing on npm really
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dietricha ah, would be here: https://activitypub.rocks/implementation-report/
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/the-verify-me-plugin-is-now-approved-at
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] The verify-me plugin is now approved at the Chrome store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/verify-me/nnefkajddpfponfnmaflddipljfdlcjb/related?hl=en-G... Not sure how to get the firefox version updated. #Indieweb #Yesvember
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[jgmac1106] good morning IndieWeb
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[tantek] good day [jgmac1106]
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[jgmac1106] glad you folks starting mid morning saves me from having to get up crazy early
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[pfefferle] Moin moin [dominik]
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[dominik] Hi 🙂
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[jgmac1106] How long until demos?
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rknLA ahoy
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sknebel 65 minutes until demos
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-11-04 4:00pm CET (#6413)
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[jgmac1106] crap.......one hour to figure out what I am doing wrong
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rknLA i'm very late to the party, but is anyone using ghost.js?
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[jgmac1106] not many I do not think: https://indieweb.org/Ghost
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[jgmac1106] what desktop social reader should I try, added likes and repost want to try them?
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rknLA thanks for the link :)
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[jgmac1106] So far I think I will be able to demo a broken plugin I build that does nothing and customizing and changing other people's plugins I probably broke
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snarfed heh
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[jgmac1106] trying to add read and listen plugins for Known, really fell in love with having students submit read posts and listen posts to track progress
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[kevinmarks] Can someone demo the verify-me plugin?
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] I installed it but not sure what it did, I don't see the checkmarks anywhere
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petermolnar https://weirdonecharacterdomainsuperstore.com/ lol?
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[kevinmarks] You have to click the icon up top now. I could make it always run
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[jgmac1106] nvm yes I do, had to click on it
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[jgmac1106] awesome
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[jgmac1106] yeah I think makes mroe sense as always run
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[kevinmarks] But that is a bit intrusive as it is fetching whole pages rather than just asking indiewebify.me
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[jgmac1106] screenshot for you
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[jgmac1106] these all have rel=me links, expect twitter and github to fail don't think they have links back to my blog
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[jgmac1106] I am not going to have someone demo my broken read plugin...unless I can figure out why I am messing up my template call
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Loqi demos
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2018-11-04 at 2:55pm CET
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuC2CX9uJzI
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Zegnat Looks like the livestream is up!
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Zegnat Everyone is gearing up for demos :D
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sebsel Demo's starting!
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sebsel First up sknebel and Zegnat
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sebsel they worked on IndieAuth between servers
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sebsel can be used by feed readers to fetch private feeds
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sebsel explaining the flow, as described on the wiki at /2018/Nuremberg/autoauth
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sebsel sknebel made a private post, which says 'authentication required'
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sebsel Zegnat made a reader to fetch that
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sebsel people that are allowed to see the post are in the 'audience' list on sknebel's post
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sebsel Zegnat started to make a browser extension, but the waiting in the browser was way more complicated
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sebsel So it's more a webapp for now
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sebsel next up is Tantek
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[eddie] Very nice guys!
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sebsel he has been working on a secret feature too
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[eddie] sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (78 in all channels)
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[eddie] zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 43 karma in this channel over the last year (174 in all channels)
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Zegnat tantek presents a “secret” feature
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sknebel had pagination between posts for a while
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sknebel also has day archives if you go to the day url
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sknebel the day archives also have back/forth links
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Zegnat Hopes to extend further back than his oldest blog post in his current system
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Zegnat Next up https://www.madebymike.com.au/
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Zegnat Been moving over his website, and keep his wel tuned CSS and service workers working
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Zegnat Some tricky things were per-post javascript features (e.g. for draggers)
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Zegnat Now back to being able to blog again
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sknebel next up Ana
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Zegnat https://www.ohhelloana.blog/
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sknebel hooked up ownyourgram
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sknebel using micropub to github for jekyll
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Zegnat jekyll micropub to (something) to power the bridge
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Zegnat Ended up filing an issue for the micropub so she could create prettier permalinks
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Zegnat next up adactio
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Zegnat Was working on recieving webmentions
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Zegnat adactio.com/journal/6469
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Zegnat Wanted to make it possible for people to “delete” a webmention
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Zegnat Made the executive decision to remove 404 webmentions if he does not have content for what used to be on that URL
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Zegnat If content is part of its system, the webmention is only removed for 410 Gone pages
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Zegnat Another interesting point: a lot of older webmentions came from http, and those might needed updating according to redirects for websites that now redirect to an https version
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Zegnat Another removal thing: when a webmention is received and is no longer linking to a page it should also be removed
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Zegnat Live: taking a URL that he knows no longer links to him, rerunning the webmention
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Zegnat See if the comment gets removed ... “damnit”
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Zegnat Has a new current location sidebar item, which sadly broke before the demos
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Zegnat Next up: jkphl
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Zegnat jkphl.is
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Zegnat Was thinking about working on his RSVP display
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Zegnat Has changed its RSVP display since the intros yesterday, looking a lot nicer
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Zegnat next up: http://julieannenoying.com/
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Zegnat Showing https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk
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Zegnat ended up taking a lot of pictures at the event today, rather than working a lot on her website
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sknebel next up calumryan
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sknebel calumryan.com
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Zegnat New subscribe button added to the page
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Zegnat Work on the feeds
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Zegnat Added himself to the indiewebwebring
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sknebel added websub
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Zegnat Shows how the browser shows a big banner when the connection is lost
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Zegnat Marty shows a copy of his site that is on hugo rather than jekyll
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Zegnat Because of hugo, he no longer needs to wait 60 seconds for every tweak, which was good
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Zegnat Added a little day marker in the posts feeds
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Zegnat coming out of the pagination talks
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Zegnat Added a sidebar for monthly navigation/pagination too
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Zegnat Also added year pages
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Zegnat For any given year the months are rendered showing which days include posts
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Zegnat Next up: GWG
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Zegnat GWG was told this was the year of the reader, by many someones
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sknebel extended the parse-this wordpress thing
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sknebel teaching it about rss feeds
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Zegnat to make things more available for microsub readers that expect mf2 JSON rather than RSS
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Zegnat also implemented feed discovery
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Zegnat Also found a MIME Type thing in schmarty’s site that was tripping things
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Zegnat tantek coming in for an extra demo, trying to do a 410 Gone mention to adactio
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sknebel adactio claims it has been removed from his backend and is only stuck in cache
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Zegnat It did not disappear, but adactio confirms the webmention was removed, it was just cached as a static HTML file on the server
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Zegnat darn, sniped by sknebel :D
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[kevinmarks] hm, mention.tech doens't support 410 - it will reject the mention
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[jgmac1106] @gwg doesn't WordPress have delete option or is more deleted when resending the link?
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Zegnat petermolnar, petermolnar.net is up next
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[kevinmarks] can someone show off my plugin? I could do it remote, but it is fiddly
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Zegnat petermolnar switched to year based pagination
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[jgmac1106] I too have a remote demo for @zegnat to work unless there will be a Hnagouts link for remote demos
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sknebel I'll ask aaronpk about remote demos
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[jgmac1106] I saw that in the mf2 css session yesterday. Interested on thoughts about using property versus classes
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sknebel nvm, he noticed chat I think
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[kevinmarks] I know a single character IPA domain http://xn--rpa.cc/
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Zegnat petermolnar showed https://petermolnar.net/sichuan-mount-emei/ which now includes event markup for his trip duration
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Zegnat next up tmiller
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] Another 2 weeks in Sichuan: Mount Emei
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Zegnat bought a domain yesterday: tieramiller.com
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Zegnat Tried to build her website with Grav
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Zegnat * tiaramiller.com
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Zegnat Was also able to setup Aperture as a reader
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Zegnat And is looking forward to hopefully getting micropub support on Grav too
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jeremycherfas tmiller++ for embracing Grav
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Loqi tmiller has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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Zegnat next up sebsel
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Zegnat https://seblog.nl/
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Loqi Sebastiaan Andeweg
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Zegnat Been working on “offline things”
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Zegnat Created a website that installs a service worker
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Zegnat Shows how an icon changes when the page goes offline
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Zegnat Can subscribe to notifications of the website
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Zegnat Test button broke, but is moving on to the posting area
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Zegnat The posting area should have triggered a notification on the website so the reader would know a new post had been created
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Zegnat The idea was to have the Push API send posts to the local service worker to store, so next time you visit the page you can get the new posts, even if your next visit is done from an offline device
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Zegnat Next up toni.mattis.berlin
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Zegnat Worked based of yesterday’s session (whiteboard: https://toni.mattis.berlin/iwc.jpg)
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[jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas]...@tiamiller has me rethinking my half static page, Known social stream strategy now
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[jgmac1106] [sknebel] here are the details of my demo, no worries if time doesn't allow: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/04/my-indiewebcamp-berlin-demo
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Zegnat Did not have time to go through the entire whiteboard.
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Zegnat So first started with the questions what is a photo and what is a gallery
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[cleverdevil] Catching up on demos. Great job everyone 😀 Such a fun way to start my Sunday.
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Zegnat ... Has to kick his web server alive
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sknebel demo gods strike!
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jgmac1106 yeah they have been great @cleverdevil though I messed up my “read” Idno plugin
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[cleverdevil] I saw your messages, [jgmac1106]! I’d love to help out. Is it up on GitHub yet?
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] I can still see almost equal appeal in Known streaming to Grav for ease of micropub or fix the micropub and put everything in Grav. Especially with the Grav gitsync plugin.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat sebsel speaks up: his demo was impossible to demo, it seems like the push api (tied to the notifications api) was blocked while he was mirroring to the presentation screen
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Zegnat mattis is now showing the photo pages he built from localhost
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Zegnat just appending a size to a raw media url will give you thumbnails
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GWG [jgmac1106]: WordPress does have the delete option for webmentions
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Zegnat Started putting microformats in on the per-picture pages
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Zegnat Shows how his lopcal gallery can include a photo from someone else too, not only local photos
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[kevinmarks] there have been attempts at media microformats before
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Zegnat Showing a picture of sknebel, leading to sknebel’s website, inside his own gallery
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Zegnat Next up charlie owen
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Zegnat https://www.sonniesedge.co.uk/
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Loqi Back off man, I'm a web developer
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Zegnat Ignored all the advice, and bit off infinitely more than she could chew
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Zegnat Was going to try and reimplement the webmentions plugin, and believes to be about half-way with it
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Zegnat Had to learn a new PHP framework, had to find out CraftCMS does not seem to have any documentation at all, still very happy with the progress made even if nothing can be shown visually
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Zegnat Next up: Yulia
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Zegnat hag.codes
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Zegnat Started posting from her phone
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Zegnat Ran into a little bug with likes
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Zegnat http://hag.codes/notes/2018-11-04-discovering-web-mentions.html
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Zegnat Next up: Kevin Nelson
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Zegnat rkn.la
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Zegnat Page loading. Hopefully it will no longer show that the HTTPS was broken
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Zegnat Hooray, it is green!
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Zegnat Was also able to login to the wiki again using IndieAuth
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Zegnat Publishing stuff will hopefully happen next time :D
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Zegnat Hopefully when the cronjob needs to run again next week he will still have a functioning certificate
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Zegnat Next up: fmarx.com
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Zegnat Last IWC he also tried to do too much, so this time he did a lot of hard technical stuff before he even came here
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Zegnat Moved from Metalsmith to 11ty
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Zegnat Automatically deployed to Netlify for git commits
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Zegnat So then he spent today to work on content instead of technical things
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Zegnat Added a “Things I’ve learned” section to his site
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Zegnat Inspired by Stefan Judis
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Zegnat Had some problem with the HTML structures wanted by microformats and CSS grids
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[jgmac1106] @jeremeycherfas yeah as we discussed in vHWC-Europe I want Known to fold into the background and just be my enging
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Zegnat But is now at a point where content can be added in a much better way
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Zegnat up next: jan dinter
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[jgmac1106] still just thinking of using half...static...but maybe I need to copy you Grav folks if you figure it all out
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Zegnat Worked on a page to document microformats for transactions/contracts/state-of-change/etc
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Zegnat https://github.com/jandinter/transactions-microformat
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Loqi [jandinter] transactions-microformat: Proposal for a new Microformat for transactions
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Zegnat Many data points can already be reflected by existing microformats
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jeremycherfas We should brainstorm this at some point.
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Loqi definitely
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jeremycherfas Because Grav with gitsync is -- IMHO -- the best of all worlds, static and dynamic.
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Zegnat Working on proposals for new data types and structures that might be adaptable by microformats
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[jgmac1106] goes to install a grav site now
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Zegnat next up: jonathan, argpar.se
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Zegnat Was working on https, but the browser is saying not-secure
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sknebel https is half-working, probably mixed content to be eliminated
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Zegnat Been working on structured metadata
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jeremycherfas Just a word; Grav needs quite a bit of forethought into the actual kinds of top categories you want, in terms of templating.
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Zegnat Added JSON LD and more metadata elements
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jeremycherfas And I know Rose is working on a turnkey IndieWeb-ready skeleton.
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[jgmac1106] yeah will take long time to play
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Zegnat Next up: flo
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Zegnat derhess.de
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[jgmac1106] atleast got to here [jeremycherfas]: http://jgregorymcverry.com/grav/
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Zegnat For 2 years he has been planning to make his wordpress theme more microformats friendly
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Zegnat Been looking at vue templates for adding microdata/microformats to his HTML
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[jgmac1106] +1 for more indieweb WordPress themes
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jeremycherfas [jgmac1106]++ for picking a really complex theme
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (71 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] I can go and switch it
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Zegnat In the theme file adding isMicroformats / isRDFa / isMicrodata attributes will automatically update his HTML to have the propoer metadata added
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sebsel uses renderless Vue-components to do this
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Zegnat thus the ability to share the components among projects
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Zegnat Dylan does a imaginary demo
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Zegnat Played around with relayd to see if he could do any redirecting of different domains and entry points of the server
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Zegnat next up: aaronpk
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Zegnat Did a PR to the PHP mf2 parser so we can parse the property attribute instead of the class attribute
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Zegnat Showing the tests he wrote for parsing
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Zegnat Second thing he did was add more options to OYS
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Zegnat What is OYS?
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Loqi OwnYourSwarm is a service which sends your Swarm checkins to your own website via Micropub https://indieweb.org/OYS
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Zegnat It will let people exclude certain Swarm checkins from being forwarded to micropub endpoints
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Zegnat Third thing he did was learn how to “make photos look pretty”, lessons from julie
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Zegnat The actual large project goal was to have his offline food posting client support photos
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Zegnat But only got as far as to get the photo rendering in the page
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[jgmac1106] or we just encourage Julie to apply for travel scholarship or event organizers fund raise enough to bring her...best photos yet
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Zegnat sknebel, getting up for the remote demos
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Zegnat Presenting [kevinmarks]’ web extension, and mastodon’s update of it
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[jgmac1106] anyone knwo how to add mroe than one rel=me links to GitHub I can olny get the one link in settings to work: https://github.com/jgmac1106
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Zegnat now showing [jgmac1106]s page
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Zegnat Added a type of a plugin from [cleverdevil]
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Zegnat Also been working on a read posttype for known
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[kevinmarks] Plugin is in chrome store
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Zegnat The repo is shared for PRs
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[jgmac1106] thanks [sknebel]
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Zegnat Things that got fixed during the demo: adactio.com now has a functioning map image in his sidebar
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[jgmac1106] I did install and get grav up and going during demos....may not use it...
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Zegnat Closing remarks from the organiser(s), tantek up, going to end the note taking here
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ sknebel++ for notes
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Loqi Zegnat has 44 karma in this channel over the last year (175 in all channels)
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jeremycherfas Sknebel++ for notes
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Loqi Sknebel has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (80 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] see everyone in Austin ...unless I figure some way to get to Netherlands
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[jgmac1106] this is cool:http://deletedcity.net/
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] could you ever add a parser to noterlive that if I drop in someone's url and they have a u-url to Twitter that the name and twitter handel come from the link?
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[kevinmarks] Yes, doable. Write me an issue
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TheTemp I tried to mark a wikipage on indieweb.org for deletion, but it doesn't seem like that template is in use. Is there another way to do that?
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[Khurt] Does anyone know if anyone has converted a 4000+ post WordPress site to a static site using Jekyll or Hugo?
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GWG You are leaving us?
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[jgmac1106] [Khurt] I haven't that is a huge migration... I am avoiding issue all together and putting old blog on a subdomain but including search engine for both
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[dave] Man, that deletedcity site is making me sad. Plus I have a sinus infection so my emotions have like a 4x multiplier right now. I miss the original indie web.
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Loqi misses the original indie web too
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Zegnat TheTemp I'm not sure we have deleted pages before. We mostly just update them to reflect they are outdated if that is the problem.
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[kevinmarks] I did a pretty big moveable type site to Hugo
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[kevinmarks] Do you plan on continuing to update it?
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sl007 What also really concerns me regarding truth in the web is https://ow3d.de (photo or fake ?) - sharing is caring ;)