#indieweb 2018-11-13

2018-11-13 UTC
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[cleverdevil] So far so good on Fathom. The UI is nice and quick, it was easy to install, and works well.
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[cleverdevil] The only thing I didn't like is that it really wants to be installed on a subdomain.
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[eddie] [Vincent]++
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Loqi [Vincent] has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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[eddie] Congrats!
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jacky interesting; wonder if that's some kind of design choice there w.r.t: fathom + subdomains
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[cleverdevil] No idea. I tried configuring it on a path using Apache ProxyPassMatch and made good headway, but eventually ran into a wall.
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[cleverdevil] Was trying to avoid having to register another subdomain and SSL certificate.
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[cleverdevil] But, whatever, its pretty easy these days with LetsEncrypt / certbot.
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[eddie] Oh wow, with nginx it’s incredibly easy even with a subdomain
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[eddie] :exploding_head:
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[eddie] It took like 10 minutes to download and install and get Fathom active on my website
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[eddie] That said, their installation instructions matched my server 💯
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I am using Apache and once I switched gears it took about that. Really quickl
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[eddie] 👋 Google Analytics
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[eddie] 😄
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[cleverdevil] Biggest advantage of Go projects is the ability to just download a single binary to install.
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[cleverdevil] I've always wished I could do that with my language of choice 🙂
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[eddie] Yeah, that’s pretty awesome
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[eddie] Also, it’s great Fathom respects the Do Not Track setting 🙌
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[eddie] I wonder if it’s any use to add tracking to feed pages? (like RSS/JSON Feed), I’d have to configure that myself.
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... if you could somehow reverse engineer the tracking JavaScript dingus, you could likely make it happen on the backend where your feeds are generated.
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[cleverdevil] That would be nice to have.
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[eddie] Yeah that’s what I was thinking
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[cleverdevil] LMK if you figure that out. I'll add it to my site too 🙂
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[eddie] I’ll have to add that to my “to look into” list
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[eddie] :thumbsup:
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[eddie] Will do
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[chrisaldrich] [dave] I think I could be in for vHWC on Wednesday. Maybe GWG, gRegorLove, [scottgruber], [asuh], [dougbeal], and others might join us as well: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_Americas
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gRegorLove Oh, yeah. I didn't see one was coming up. I should be available.
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gRegorLove Is there a reason that's at 7:30 instead of 6:30? I don't mind, but it might be easier for people in Central/Eastern time
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove, I think Millar is in TX, so maybe splitting the difference?
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'm suggesting 6:30 Pacific, so 8:30 Central
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[cleverdevil] What is feedstagram?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "feedstagram" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "feedstagram is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[cleverdevil] feedstagram is a simple tool to generate an h-feed from your Instagram account - https://github.com/cleverdevil/feedstagram
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [cleverdevil] feedstagram: Generate an h-feed from your Instagram account
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[cleverdevil] (Its not pretty, documented particularly well, or all that feature-filled, but it works for me).
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[dave] [gRegorLove] [chrisaldrich] I just uncommented the listing that was already in the page and adjusted the UTC bit for the lack of daylight savings time. I’m open to whenever works for everyone else, but I’m in CST
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sl007 good morning indieweb
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Owning my code blocks" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/13/4/article/
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Zegnat I might be able to make it to demos for vHWC USA! :D The question is: should I.
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[jgmac1106] Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar testing google's https://web.dev
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petermolnar company website errors: "Address bar does not match brand colors" https://developers.google.com/web/tools/lighthouse/audits/address-bar wat?
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sknebel good morning!
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sknebel general reminder that virtual HWC europe tomorrow is *later* than it was before: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-14-virtual-homebrew-website-club
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[jgmac1106] !tell @gwg I am using h-review to mock up webmention badges as well
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[jgmac1106] From a pedagogy perspective I like bidirectional I want my students to explain how they meet criteria
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Zegnat petermolnar, you gotta complete that manifest file with all the styling ;)
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petermolnar I'm still waiting to apply style on the scrollbar, since IE5.5
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Zegnat Didn’t tantek recently write about scrollbar styling properties in a new CSS module?
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petermolnar wow. is this like @font-face, IE had it 15-20 years ago, now finally other browsers are getting it as well?
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[dave] web.dev seems to be not calculating offline capabilities correctly. I get 100 for PWA when I run Lighthouse locally, but only 53 on their tool because it claims it's not receiving a 200 when checking the index page offline.
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[dave] Lighthouse gives me Perf 99 PWA 100 A11y 96 Best Pract. 93 SEO 100
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[dave] web.dev same except for the PWA score of 58
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[jgmac1106] getting kinda of devy, might want to move convo
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[dave] Good point. *zoom*
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petermolnar someone, please, enlighten me: why on earth should my index page return 200 offline even if a user didn't explicitly ask for this?
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[dave] "to get to the other side" ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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petermolnar re scollbar colouring: http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/scrollbarcolor.shtml "Scrollbar coloring in IE 5.5+"
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[jgmac1106] here is another small grant I wrote, it is for a high school/college hackathon that will run parallel with IWCV New Haven: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/femhackgrant.html
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] FemHack Social Justice Grant
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donpdonp freepizza.io "You want free pizza for your usergroup, meetup, hackathon, tech talk, conference... Sponsors want to give you free pizza. nice."
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donpdonp whoops that was meant for another channel.
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donpdonp is still waking up
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NinjaTrappeur fyi https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron/statuses/101059395256808997
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Loqi [Eugen 🎄] Reading the #micropub spec. Seems simple enough, would anyone benefit from us adding that? Is anyone using that?
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[zoellner] Hey, just joined recently. Came here after reading about IndieAuth etc.
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[zoellner] I’m wondering if anyone knows about any projects using email as part of the OAuth2 flow. I.e. an actual email being sent (with a code for example)
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sknebel [zoellner]: I think Indieauth.com still supports e-mail as authentication if you use it as your IndieAuth endpoint
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[tantek] This is a good post about indieweb vs medium etc. even a nod to maintaining a wordpress install: http://www.hollidazed.co.uk/2018/11/09/for-the-love-of-the-blog/
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[zoellner] when I enter an email address I get “Your identifier must be a valid URL.”
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[zoellner] ah, you said as “endpoint”. I’ll test that. thanks
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aaronpk [zoellner]: indieauth.com uses URLs as your identifier, only uses emails for authentication
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sl007 [zoellner] You link to your eMail address at the endpoint, see
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sl007 https://indielogin.com/setup#email
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Loqi Email
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[zoellner] thanks. Just tested it with an email as the rel me link. any thoughts on using email as identifier as well?
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aaronpk Email addresses aren't on the web so we don't use them as web based idenfiers
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] Yay! This (super short) post was done using the Media Endpoint Shortcut I made and the Drafts Action you made. I was able to compose everything from Drafts since it has a "Run shortcut" action that returned the link to the image automatically: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/13/19/article/
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[eddie] Drafts makes a nice Micropub client!
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Added updated date
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[eddie] Thanks Loqi, I appreciate the excitement
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Loqi you're welcome, [eddie]
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[eddie] Thanks for the Draft action
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[cleverdevil] Yay! Nicely done eddie.
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[eddie] cleverdevil++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (77 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] I use it all the time, though the Media Endpoint Drafts action doesn't work for me with Known.
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[cleverdevil] Haven't had a chance to troubleshoot 🙂
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[eddie] ohhh it probably doesn't return the url
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[eddie] because it's an optional extension to return the url
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[eddie] When you troubleshoot https://indieweb.org/micropub_media_endpoint#Response_Body
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[cleverdevil] Ah, that's almost certainly it.
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[cleverdevil] Can Drafts instead pull the URL from the redirect?
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[eddie] The only thing that knows the url is the Media Endpoint
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[eddie] unless the Media Endpoint supports querying the last uploaded file but I'm sure Known doesn't support that either
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "PushAPI without Notifications" https://seblog.nl/2018/11/13/3/pushapi-without-notifications
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tantek__ sebsel++
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[jgmac1106] GWG++
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[jgmac1106] Chrisaldrich++
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[jgmac1106] For the podcast,
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[jgmac1106] Almost long enough for my commute both was
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gRegorLove sebsel++ very cool demo!
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gRegorLove What is PushAPI?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PushAPI" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "PushAPI is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sebsel thanks!
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sebsel PushAPI is a browser API, that works with the [[ServiceWorker]] to deliver messages to a browser, for example to show notifications.
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove PushAPI << https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API
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Loqi ok, I added "https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API" to a brand new "See Also" section of /PushAPI https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=53849&oldid=53847
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sebsel hah. They have a space there. Should we have one too?
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sebsel (I'm Dutch, like German, we don't do spaces :P)
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sknebel the spec has one too :D https://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/
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gRegorLove hehe
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sebsel fixed the wiki, not fixing my blog tho :P
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gRegorLove own your content, own your spaces
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gRegorLove and own your capitalization, in my case
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gRegorLove er, OwnYourSpaces?
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sebsel "in my case" > UpperCamelCase?
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[kevinmarks] Could you put zero width spaces in? Or soft hyphens?
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sebsel But the whole point is that it's one word, right?
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sebsel This goes off-topic too fast :)
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[kiai] Hello Indieweb
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sebsel hi [kiai] :)
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[cleverdevil] (Tested and works with your Shortcut!)
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[cleverdevil] [eddie] https://github.com/idno/known/pull/2266
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #2266 Update Micropub Media Endpoint to return the URL for the uploaded image
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[kiai] Curious for thoughts: Is it worth building a demo site in html instead of completing a wireframe with Adobe XD and InVision if the functions are simple (button clicks to new pages)? Or is there another wireframe solution that enables easy content changes, like InDesign, but updated. Had a volunteer create wireframe pages, but they look incomplete and two weeks are gone. I suppose it was a good lesson. Wondering if XD is a waste of time.
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slvr if it's a single page, sure it's worth it.
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[kiai] Three single pages. 🙂
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slvr I had a problem like that and wrote a shell script that kicks the pages out from a template. :)
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[kiai] Thanks, @slvr
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[kiai] what kind of template?
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slvr 3 files, header, content, footer. Only the content was unique per page.
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[kiai] cool.
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slvr The script just takes each content file, slaps it between the header and footer, and dumps it to a new file.
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[kiai] yup. got that.
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slvr I can rattle it off here if that is useful.
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[kiai] It's okay. Each page is different, i.e. no footer, different headers.
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[kiai] But thanks.
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slvr sure thing,
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[kiai] It's just as easy to type out the html for me. Means getting someone else to make my Salesforce account work.
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slvr well, best of luck!
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